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Ignorant racist? Where did I bring up race? I've been to DC 3 times, NYC twice, Detroit twice, Chicago. I've seen the comparisons first hand.

....and you still screwed it up. Detroit is not 100% "slum".....my gleaming glass corporate headquarters in Motown makes many parts of Ottawa look like a slum too. I know it is difficult for you to define or validate anything without the obligatory American references and smug comparisons, but outright lies are not going to be ignored.

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I guess you haven't traveled the world much....which really explains a lot. Even American slums have potable water.

Yes...the District of Columbia is very expensive, even for the Canadian lobbyists who live there.

actually I've traveled the world extensively, work and pleasure based travel - I've also been in most of the largest U.S. cities. Like I said, we in Canada should certainly defer to your claims on the biggest and best slums. As for actual water quality, let's hope no more levies break - hey?

NYT: Millions in U.S. Drink Dirty Water, Records Show

More than 20 percent of the nation’s water treatment systems have violated key provisions of the Safe Drinking Water Act over the last five years, according to a New York Times analysis of federal data.

That law requires communities to deliver safe tap water to local residents. But since 2004, the water provided to more than 49 million people has contained illegal concentrations of chemicals like arsenic or radioactive substances like uranium, as well as dangerous bacteria often found in sewage.

we should also defer to your sound positioning on drinking water related infrastructure:

American Society of Civil Engineers: 2009 Infrastructure Fact Sheet - Drinking Water - Grade 'D'... is that a passing grade? :lol:

I doubt that you have traveled much at all...or surely you would have remembered the Walkerton, Ontariaririo waterworks fiasco:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walkerton_Tragedy

Seems that things are not so perfect in paradise after all.

yup, we could certainly rank Davis Inlet and Walkerton right up there with that NYT article that states that since 2004, 49 million Americans were subject to arsenic, uranium or raw sewage in their drinking water. Perspective - much?

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....and you still screwed it up. Detroit is not 100% "slum".....my gleaming glass corporate headquarters in Motown makes many parts of Ottawa look like a slum too. I know it is difficult for you to define or validate anything without the obligatory American references and smug comparisons, but outright lies are not going to be ignored.

outright lies? So there are nice parts of detroit? If there are, I've never seen them. yes, there are 2 or 3 "gleaming office towers" in detroit, but the area surrounding them? Yikes.

I'm also waiting to hear how I'm such a racist. I'd be delighted to know how so I can change my behaviour in the future. Unfortunately, something tells me you just reacted and played the race card for no other reason than to try and make me look bad. Which reflects more upon you than it does me.

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....and you still screwed it up. Detroit is not 100% "slum".....my gleaming glass corporate headquarters in Motown makes many parts of Ottawa look like a slum too. I know it is difficult for you to define or validate anything without the obligatory American references and smug comparisons, but outright lies are not going to be ignored.

I virtually grew up in Oak Park alongside Royal Oak. I spent every summer there from when I was a little boy till I was 15.

I was there for the race riots...which from the point of a 9 year old were very exciting.

Slum though, it never was then...

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outright lies? So there are nice parts of detroit? If there are, I've never seen them. yes, there are 2 or 3 "gleaming office towers" in detroit, but the area surrounding them? Yikes.

Then please stay away....no more trucking nasty Canadian garbage to Michigan landfills.

Detroit skyline....nice slum:

http://halftimeadjustments.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/detroit_skyline.png

I'm also waiting to hear how I'm such a racist. I'd be delighted to know how so I can change my behaviour in the future. Unfortunately, something tells me you just reacted and played the race card for no other reason than to try and make me look bad. Which reflects more upon you than it does me.

Oh sure...now you are squirming because somebody called you on your racist code words and curious inconsistency for what constitutes a "slum". You made yourself look bad with the original post.

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Then please stay away....no more trucking nasty Canadian garbage to Michigan landfills.

Detroit skyline....nice slum:

http://halftimeadjustments.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/detroit_skyline.png

Oh sure...now you are squirming because somebody called you on your racist code words and curious inconsistency for what constitutes a "slum". You made yourself look bad with the original post.

What racist code word? Dick? Dick doesn't have any race connotation, just that you're a dick.

And what inconsistency for slums? Poor neighbourhoods, dirty streets. Drugs, prostitution. Slum. Slums are slums. Some slums are better than others because they have less of those things. The US's slums are a lot worse than they are here and the ethnic make up of our poor areas are pretty much the same as yours. I've volunteered at Toronto homeless shelters and what I've seen in Toronto just doesn't compare to Detroit, DC, NYC. Furthermore, of the two of us I seem to be the only one who has ever called for social programming to help battle poverty like health care. I think poor immigrants deserve better opportunities. I believe in affirmative action. How again does that make me a racist?

Also, I love the picture of the Detroit skyline. 3 things. Doesn't show the conditions on the street. Doesn't take into account that they're probably half empty GM buildings and it doesn't skew to the left to see the lines of horrible industrial plants that spew pollution across the river.

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Furthermore, of the two of us I seem to be the only one who has ever called for social programming to help battle poverty like health care.

How much poverty has health care eliminated?

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This is a racist program. It rewards people not based on merit and performance but based soley upon ones race.

No, but his argument was essentially that since I called ethnic areas of cities slums, I must be a racist. I clearly support the development of those areas so how can I be a racist in the sense that he accused me?

Even then, I see people's complaints with affirmative action, but to me, the need for it outweighs the arguments against it. It favours races, but there's also a latent racism in admissions at universities and corporate hiring practices. Minorities get hired less often and are paid less well across the board. I wish we wouldn't need such a programme, but we do.

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What racist code word? Dick? Dick doesn't have any race connotation, just that you're a dick.

There are "slums" all over the world, yet you chose to focus inexplicably on certain American cities, ignoring others, and of course any slums in Canada at all.

And what inconsistency for slums? Poor neighbourhoods, dirty streets. Drugs, prostitution. Slum. Slums are slums. Some slums are better than others because they have less of those things. The US's slums are a lot worse than they are here and the ethnic make up of our poor areas are pretty much the same as yours. I've volunteered at Toronto homeless shelters and what I've seen in Toronto just doesn't compare to Detroit, DC, NYC.

So what...you want a medal? Indicting an entire city as a "slum" is just ignorant (and racist).

Furthermore, of the two of us I seem to be the only one who has ever called for social programming to help battle poverty like health care. I think poor immigrants deserve better opportunities. I believe in affirmative action. How again does that make me a racist?

You are a racist because you have passed your judgement and bigoted view on a far more complex dynamic.

Also, I love the picture of the Detroit skyline. 3 things. Doesn't show the conditions on the street. Doesn't take into account that they're probably half empty GM buildings and it doesn't skew to the left to see the lines of horrible industrial plants that spew pollution across the river.

..and it also doesn't show the decisions being made whether to keep GM, Ford, or Chrysler automotive manufacturing humming in Ontario plants for CAW workers. Not bad for a slum....LOL! ;)

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This is a racist program. It rewards people not based on merit and performance but based soley upon ones race.

Correct....But thats because there was a system in place,(outright slavery and Jim Crow) that punished people socially and economically based solely on race.

Call it the white man's burden..

Do you believe in a racial hierarchy??

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Correct....But thats because there was a system in place,(outright slavery and Jim Crow) that punished people socially and economically based solely on race.

Call it the white man's burden..

Do you believe in a racial hierarchy??

So white people need to pay today because of some mistakes that were made 100's of years ago before those around today were even born or thought of?

How long do whites need to pay for mistakes of 100's of years ago? Forever?

When will the non whites be on equal footing? Will they always be victims?

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So white people need to pay today because of some mistakes that were made 100's of years ago before those around today were even born or thought of?

How long do whites need to pay for mistakes of 100's of years ago? Forever?

When will the non whites be on equal footing? Will they always be victims?

White people aren't really paying. Their university admission stats, employment stats and wage stats are statiscally far better than minorities. They haven't really gone down either.

How long? Not sure. However, if minorities aren't being employed, let into schools or given the same wages at white people today, it's not really mistakes of 100 years ago, is it?

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So white people need to pay today because of some mistakes that were made 100's of years ago before those around today were even born or thought of?

How long do whites need to pay for mistakes of 100's of years ago? Forever?

When will the non whites be on equal footing? Will they always be victims?

You don't seem to understand tht it's not about payment.Because of the wrongs of the past,many black folks did not have the societal skills to compete in the workplace...Even Dr.King realized this.

Do you think that level of deliberate and malicious level of social retardation can be reversed in the span of about 4 1/2 decades?

Length of time...I don't know.I don't think everyone will be a success in life so an terminable situation is intolerable on many levels...

Do you believe in a racial hierarchy???

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You don't seem to understand tht it's not about payment.Because of the wrongs of the past,many black folks did not have the societal skills to compete in the workplace...Even Dr.King realized this.

Do you think that level of deliberate and malicious level of social retardation can be reversed in the span of about 4 1/2 decades?

Length of time...I don't know.I don't think everyone will be a success in life so an terminable situation is intolerable on many levels...

Do you believe in a racial hierarchy???

Ok I think I understand now. So it's white people fault that non whites are killing each other across Canada and the US over drugs and that this has some how encoded into their DNA passed on generation to generation by the white man.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Jews were persecuted for a lot longer then blacks were and they've managed just fine.

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Ok I think I understand now. So it's white people fault that non whites are killing each other across Canada and the US over drugs and that this has some how encoded into their DNA passed on generation to generation by the white man.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Jews were persecuted for a lot longer then blacks were and they've managed just fine.

Ah, so it's a problem just in the black community. I see. Now I get where you're coming from. Hah. And I was called racist.

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What does this mean? :blink:

It means you're the racist. You see black on black violence across North America and randomly compare it to another minority and automatically say, well, as a race they must be a lot worse because they're not doing as well. Good a reason as any to not help them.

What you fail to understand is that even though Jews were always persectued, they at least had professions that were accepted throughout the community. In North America and even Europe, they could get ahead because they could find work within those professions and earn a decent living. That doesn't exist for the black community.

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Ok I think I understand now. So it's white people fault that non whites are killing each other across Canada and the US over drugs and that this has some how encoded into their DNA passed on generation to generation by the white man.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Jews were persecuted for a lot longer then blacks were and they've managed just fine.

To you're first statement ,clearly you have a warped understanding of what I said....

I agree that blacks have not cornered the market on historic human misery.

I'm going to ask you for a third time because you refuse to answer...

Do you believe in a racial hierarchy?

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The Gay community is far more accepting of bi-sexuals than the straight community is of gay people. Last I checked, the gay community doesn't have schools which promise to turn bi's or straights gay.

Please don't clutter up the conversation with irrelevant pissing matches over which community is more tolerant than which; it isn't worth anyone's time.

The point is: people in both sexually defined societies choose to hide certain feelings and/or behaviours that run contrary to what's commonly expected by the population of their respective camp; in other words, they opt to bend to peer pressure in order to belong. Even your expressed beliefs alone should say to you this limited segmenting is insufficient, at best; how can people be "varying degrees of anything", yet all still be expected to slot themselves into and conform to essentially only two categories? And here's the bigger point that you ignore: the sexual desires of humans constantly shift - they move, aren't static, are fluid, in flux, vary; how many ways can I put it? I have not only read about, but personally seen, many times, the evidence of that fact; some are fine with it, many struggle, most keep it secret, all depending on their gender. That people can slide around like that behind their sexual place-card of choice out of two seems to be pretty irrefutable proof that their sexuality was not determined prenatally and locked in for life. If it were, I'd have to have been reading false testimonials and hallucinating; these people could not do what they do. Indeed, I think it is you who does not give the human brain the credit it deserves; to you, it seems, it's a block of concrete, all with unique variations amongst them, granted, but each is still unchangeable from the day its owner came out of the womb.

I don't care if religious kooks want to hijack to serve their agenda the fact that sexual labels are chosen. I despise their rigid fanaticism, and they'll take anything they can get their hands on to use to their advantage, anyway. Do you know how many hope for a biological explanation so they can say it's curable with drugs or surgery?

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Do you believe in a racial hierarchy?

Do I personally? No. Individual people are in charge of their own destinies. Nothing can be blamed on their racial make up. Their are rich, smart and powerful people of all stripes in North America.

I would suggest that socialists see it otherwise though because it is them who keep bringing it up. It's socialists that keep making race, among other things an issue. Socialists are the ones making sure we see the differences in each other instead of us all getting together as one.

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Do I personally? No. Individual people are in charge of their own destinies. Nothing can be blamed on their racial make up. Their are rich, smart and powerful people of all stripes in North America.

I would suggest that socialists see it otherwise though because it is them who keep bringing it up. It's socialists that keep making race, among other things an issue. Socialists are the ones making sure we see the differences in each other instead of us all getting together as one.

I don't know is it is exactly Socialists that believe in a racial hierarchy.I think they believe in those things out of some sort of paternalistic guilt.By the way,one of the worst possible things for any minority is white liberal guilt.

Equally bad is the average conservative who thinks there is no racism anymore so all race based quota's are no longer relevent.

I suppose I'm somewhere in the middle...

By the way,the ultimate believers in a racial hierarchy were the NAZI's,and they could hardly be called Socialists even though the ideology they believed in was called National "Socialism".The Nazi regime was the most virulently Fascist regime of the last 100 years...

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