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Schools are educational institutions, yes?

Exactly. If you want to teach democracy....you have to set an example. You don't stifle or silence dissenting views....or theories.

You don't enforce and ram your theory as the rule....when there is a serious debate about its validity!

That ain't democratic!

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They teach based upon the left wing agenda. Normal, everyday Canadians need to take back their schools from these raving socialists. Teachers will also only teach about Pro Choice and will ignore the argument for Pro Life altogether. I guess they deem it too dangerous for children to have all the information. They'd rather only give children their own version.

Letting the child make a decision based solely on one side of an argument isn't allowing for much of a choice at all is it?

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Talk about confused.... irrational relativism! :rolleyes:

Do you understand what relativism means?

It's a good lesson on squirm-atism though! :lol:

How so? Acknowledging that christian holidays are sometimes left out and sometimes included (different schools, different teachers, etc) is now "squirm-atism?"

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Letting the child make a decision based solely on one side of an argument isn't allowing for much of a choice at all is it?

Ignoring for the moment the fact that trying to teach students the background and arguments for every existing creation story would requite extending K-12 to K-97, I dispute your notion that schools ought to buy into the "equal airtime" philosophy.

Schools exist to teach children facts, not conjecture.

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First, why don't you explain how my reply that you quoted was "irrational relativism."

I already did. Reread all my replies to your post here.

Correct me where I'm wrong.

Schools are educational institutions, yes?

Furthermore, since schools are educational institutions, it's all the more important to impart to all Canadians from various cultures about the history of CHRISTMAS! How it came about. What's it all about!

It only makes sense that Christian Christmas tradition, most especially be given direct focus, since non-Christians from various cultures have adapted it one way or another!

Since you claim schools teach facts, and not conjectures....all the more reason to explain that Christmas is about Jesus Christ. Unless the system/schools had wilfully decided to distort the facts.

Considering what a lot of Canadians think, it's the school's role to correct misguided notions - like Schwa's for example whom I assume is a Canadian - that Christmas is all about

Santa Claus and horrendous shopping sprees!

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I already did. Reread all my replies to you.

Furthermore, since schools are educational institutions, it's all the more important to impart to all Canadians from various cultures about the history of CHRISTMAS! How it came about. What's it all about!

It only makes sense that Christian Christmas tradition, most especially be given direct focus, since non-Christians from various cultures have adapted it one way or another!

Since you claim schools teach facts, and not conjectures....all the more reason to explain that Christmas is about Jesus Christ. Unless the system/schools had wilfully decided to distort the facts.

Considering what a lot of Canadians think, it's the school's role to correct misguided notions - - like Schwa for example whom I assume is a Canadian - that Christmas is not all about Santa Claus and horrendous shopping sprees!

True, and don't forget the Easter Bunny and Hallowe'en.

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True, and don't forget the Easter Bunny and Hallowe'en.

EASTER! ....and GOOD FRIDAY! Thank you for reminding me.

Two holidays that's part of our culture. High standard of education will include the historical facts why we celebrate these as holidays! Bunny rabbits and the egg-hunt aside, children of all cultural backgrounds (including natural-born Canadians of course) should know the meaning behind these holidays since they're part of history and the culture of this nation.

We can ignore Halloween...we work and we go to school on Halloween. Not a stat. :D

Since most of you couldn't stand ignorance, surely you'd find it unacceptable when children gets asked why is Easter and Good Friday a holiday, and you get the embarrassing, head-scratching, "I dunno."

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Anyway, you guys I'm sure are supporters of multi-culturalism. Well understanding of various cultures couldn't just be a one-way street!

Besides, you cannot deny immigrants the chance to know and understand the culture of their new home....because that puts them at a disadvantage.

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Wow! Never realized that Good Friday and Easter Monday were national public holidays in Canada. Are these largely Christian events considered secular like Christmas Day?

Yes, I think they had evolved that way now. Although Easter Dinner is still a tradition among many. Aren't they holidays in the US?

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Yes, I think they had evolved that way now. Although Easter Dinner is still a tradition among many. Aren't they holidays in the US?

No....Good Friday and Easter Sunday are not national public holidays in the United States, but a handful of states still provide for this. Court challenges have reduced the number of states with such holidays over the past 50 years.

Easter is the holiest observation for the Catholic religion, and it is interesting that this extent exists in Canada, which considers itself more "secular" than the US. This, coupled with Canadian constitution provisions for Protestants and Catholics in specific provinces dashes any such notion.

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No....Good Friday and Easter Sunday are not national public holidays in the United States, but a handful of states still provide for this. Court challenges have reduced the number of states with such holidays over the past 50 years.

Easter is the holiest observation for the Catholic religion, and it is interesting that this extent exists in Canada, which considers itself more "secular" than the US. This, coupled with Canadian constitution provisions for Protestants and Catholics in specific provinces dashes any such notion.

A day off is a day off. I don't care if the name of the day off is based on some silly mythology. It's all the better if you're an atheist, you get to use the day off to enjoy doing whatever you want rather than wasting time partaking in various rituals.

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A day off is a day off. I don't care if the name of the day off is based on some silly mythology.

Agreed....but surely you see the obvious secular conflict. This includes Christmas Day. The only way courts can rule in favor is to label the "holidays" as secular despite obvious links to a particular religion, or when provided by the constitution.

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Agreed....but surely you see the obvious secular conflict. This includes Christmas Day. The only way courts can rule in favor is to label the "holidays" as secular despite obvious links to a particular religion, or when provided by the constitution.

I don't see the conflict, no. For there to be a conflict, the interests of some party would have to be harmed. Having an extra holiday harms no one's interests. I suppose a really grouchy executive might grumble that his workers have an extra day off, but that is hardly relevant. People who crusade against holidays based on religious traditions for the sake of "secularism" need to find better things to do and appreciate the free time that such holidays provide them.

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I don't see the conflict, no. For there to be a conflict, the interests of some party would have to be harmed. Having an extra holiday harms no one's interests. I suppose a really grouchy executive might grumble that his workers have an extra day off, but that is hardly relevant. People who crusade against holidays based on religious traditions for the sake of "secularism" need to find better things to do and appreciate the free time that such holidays provide them.

You might think differently if your employees have to be paid double or triple time on national holidays. And of course, you welcome more national holidays for all the world's religions as practiced in a "multicultural" Canada? That's where this would logically lead.

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You might think differently if your employees have to be paid double or triple time on national holidays.

That is a burden that my company would share with all its competitors in the country. As for international competitiveness, there are far bigger factors at play. No real harm done.

And of course, you welcome more national holidays for all the world's religions as practiced in a "multicultural" Canada?

Sure, I'll take a day off for celebrating when Mohammed slaughtered some tribe or whatever. Like I said, I don't care what mythology it's based on. I'd be off climbing mountains with my friends or something.

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That is a burden that my company would share with all its competitors in the country. As for international competitiveness, there are far bigger factors at play. No real harm done.

Small factors add up to big factors. Business lobbies hard to curtail such impacts on productivity and bottom line costs.

Sure, I'll take a day off for celebrating when Mohammed slaughtered some tribe or whatever. Like I said, I don't care what mythology it's based on. I'd be off climbing mountains with my friends or something.

This is fine for you....unpaid time off would be welcomed too based on this approach. Enjoy all the "holidays" you please.

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Small factors add up to big factors. Business lobbies hard to curtail such impacts on productivity and bottom line costs.

If the main objection to the existence of a holiday is that it hurts a business' bottom line, then it hardly matters whether the holiday is religious or secular, doesn't it? Clearly we should eliminate them all to boost productivity.

Anyway, this line of reasoning is flawed. All you need to do is commercialize the holiday a bit and it becomes a big boost to business, like Christmas.

This is fine for you....unpaid time off would be welcomed too based on this approach. Enjoy all the "holidays" you please.

Yes, unpaid time off is good too, and having an employer that allows you to take unpaid leave on request allows for great flexibility and ability to spend time doing other things besides work.

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If the main objection to the existence of a holiday is that it hurts a business' bottom line, then it hardly matters whether the holiday is religious or secular, doesn't it? Clearly we should eliminate them all to boost productivity.

Similarly, if the existence of such hoidays is harmeless, every day should be a paid holiday! ;)

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Agreed....but surely you see the obvious secular conflict. This includes Christmas Day. The only way courts can rule in favor is to label the "holidays" as secular despite obvious links to a particular religion, or when provided by the constitution.

However those so called Christian and Catholic holidays are nothing more than a shopping spree in modern times. They may have meant something in the past, but they don't resemble at all what they used to represent.

This atheist uses those holidays to spend time with family, but that seems to be such an un-christian thing to do these days.

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