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In the weeks leading up to the election I got the impression from mainstream media like the CBC that there wasn't a single person willing to publically support the Conservatives and everyone nationwide adored the NDP.

After winning a majority how can we give the media any credibility on reporting political news? The ndp won in quebec, not the rest of canada, they're still a glorified union lobby group. Is there any unbiased and objective journalist left in Canada or is this really what sells nowadays?

This seems to explain to apparent need for a 'fox news north', even those in the center find it disgusting. I suspect the CBC wil lose even more viewers to the so called 'fox news north', paralleling the election results.

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Was/is it bias or was it the truth? how was it bias to you? When Duffy was on CTV, he always to a crack pot shots at the Libs and I didn't hear any Tory complain. I like to see a political show neutral and attack all parties, work for us voters and not the company they work for, especially CBC, whose boss is the government of Canada. Do you think Sun TV will attack the Tories, probably not.

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Do you think Sun TV will attack the Tories, probably not.

Here's one example, dated today, of attacking Conservative policy by a host that has his own show on Sun TV, Brian Lilley.

Tory crime bill an attack on our liberty

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The bill plans to make it a crime to link to any website that promotes hatred.

Here’s what the Library of Parliament says about the bill on its website: “Clause 5 of the bill provides that the offences of public incitement of hatred and wilful promotion of hatred may be committed by any means of communication and include making hate material available, by creating a hyperlink that directs web surfers to a website where hate material is posted, for example.”

For simply posting a link to a website that has material someone else deems hateful, you could go to jail for two years and be branded a criminal.

The Internet police. Only in Canada.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/05/05/lilley-tory-crime-bill-an-attack-on-our-liberty

That criticism, which I agree with, is cutting.

Brian Lilley can host a show on Sun TV and write for the Sun, and criticize Conservative policy even if he is a Conservative supporter. That's as non-partisan opinion as you can get.

I could find other examples but considering that you almost never provide a link when asked to, I simply don't have the inclination to do your research for you.

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I agree with Lilley on this one, they need to amend that part of the bill. I don't watch SunTV all day naturally, but bits I've seen of it are not all pro-conservative, in fact, they seem to be going out of their way to be unbiased.

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In the weeks leading up to the election I got the impression from mainstream media like the CBC that there wasn't a single person willing to publically support the Conservatives and everyone nationwide adored the NDP.

After winning a majority how can we give the media any credibility on reporting political news?

Pretty much every newspaper in the nation endorsed Harper in the last couple of weeks of the election. That timing is normal.

"Oh the media is unfair to us " <---- does the replace the "but the liberals " mantra now?

It is to laugh, the Conservatives ran a good campaign, efficient and they won in a landslide.

And the response from Cons?

-what will EC do to the NDP w miss fakecandidate?

-Where is Iggy going and why is he such a loser?

-Will the liberals ever recover?

-We get to gut the CBC !

-Bell is not playing fair denying SUN tv

Jesus on a cracker, ya won FFS , talk about policy, talk about going forward and whats coming up, but damn , no way, they want to stand around and hash out the past the paranoid little shites.

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Here's one example, dated today, of attacking Conservative policy by a host that has his own show on Sun TV, Brian Lilley.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2011/05/05/lilley-tory-crime-bill-an-attack-on-our-liberty

That criticism, which I agree with, is cutting.

Brian Lilley can host a show on Sun TV and write for the Sun, and criticize Conservative policy even if he is a Conservative supporter. That's as non-partisan opinion as you can get.

I could find other examples but considering that you almost never provide a link when asked to, I simply don't have the inclination to do your research for you.

When and what link did you want? Sorry, I don't know what your are talking about. I don't know Brian Lilley, can't watch SunTV, and if he is criticizing with good reason than good for him, hope he keeps it up.

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Was/is it bias or was it the truth? how was it bias to you? When Duffy was on CTV, he always to a crack pot shots at the Libs and I didn't hear any Tory complain. I like to see a political show neutral and attack all parties, work for us voters and not the company they work for, especially CBC, whose boss is the government of Canada. Do you think Sun TV will attack the Tories, probably not.

Don't know what the hell Sun TV is all about...just plain weird! They are all over the map - when they had a guy talk about ethical oil spills as compared to non-ethical ones --- I kind of lost respect...all oil spills are bad..And that guy who does the Caldwell Report - he should gain a few pounds - he has weasil written all over his face - who the hell cast these losers...If it was the conservative buisness elite - then they have a cheap streak.

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In the weeks leading up to the election I got the impression from mainstream media like the CBC that there wasn't a single person willing to publically support the Conservatives and everyone nationwide adored the NDP.

Um... The majority of editorials were on the Conservatives side.

My local paper even featured a letter to the editor from PARKSVILLE, BC (note, I am from Ontario) that was a puff piece for Stephen Harper.

Conservatives. Anything left of hard right is socialist propaganda. lol.

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I'd like you to prove that. It's going to be difficult.

I'd like him to prove his premise first. That's going to be difficult. My guess is, that he was just talking out of his ass. And has nothing to back up his claim.

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Show me some stats.

Do you really need to see stats?

That puts the Toronto Star out in, well, left field; it seems virtually every other daily newspaper, plus magazines such as Maclean's and the Economist is endorsing the Conservatives. The Globe and Mail declared: "If the result (of the campaign) is a confident new Parliament, it could help propel Canada into a fresh period of innovation, government reform and global ambition. Stephen Harper and the Conservatives are best positioned to guide Canada there." The National Post, Montreal Gazette, Kitchener-Waterloo Record, Hamilton Spectator, the Sun and the Province in Vancouver, Calgary Herald, Winnipeg Free Press, Windsor Star have more or less agreed.

http://www.j-source.ca/english_new/detail.php?id=6470

There are other, similar stories if you want to see them.

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Do you really need to see stats?

http://www.j-source.ca/english_new/detail.php?id=6470

There are other, similar stories if you want to see them.

So still no actual stats? What does "most" mean? 51/49? Higher than that? Even your source qualifies their premise by saying that other papers "more or less agree" with the Conservative endorsement. What does more or less mean? Do they or don't they?

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So still no actual stats? What does "most" mean? 51/49? Higher than that? Even your source qualifies their premise by saying that other papers "more or less agree" with the Conservative endorsement. What does more or less mean? Do they or don't they?

Even if it were fifty/fifty, that rather damages your "leftwing media" thesis; you know, the ill-conceived hypothetical you like to present as plain truth, though never presenting a cogent analysis or expansive argument, even though you've been asked for it about eleven thousand times?

:)

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Even if it were fifty/fifty, that rather damages your "leftwing media" thesis; you know, the ill-conceived hypothetical you like to present as plain truth, though never presenting a cogent analysis or expansive argument, even though you've been asked for it about eleven thousand times?

:)

From the OP:

In the weeks leading up to the election I got the impression from mainstream media like the CBC that there wasn't a single person willing to publically support the Conservatives and everyone nationwide adored the NDP.

I wonder how many others got the same impression?

Did you BM, get the impression from the media that everyone nationwide adored the Conservatives?

In my view, the media doesn't like to be totally wrong in their analyses. Support for the CPC did exist in the public. The MSM couldn't endorse an NDP coalition without totally discrediting themselves...or could they?

I wonder if any of those newspapers that "endorsed" the Conservatives were predicting a majority government?

Anyway, now the "scary conservative" stories can start in earnest.

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I wonder how many others got the same impression?

I'm not overly concerned about "impression." Clearly, a number of peple have the "impression" that the media generally is leftwing; and yet they are hostile to seriously considering the matter, and indifferent, at best, to discussion of the topic. Perhaps, like what you say about the media, they don't like to be totally wrong in their analysis. Better to avoid the topic, beyond reiteration of the unexamined, cherished, "leftist media" theme.

Did you BM, get the impression from the media that everyone nationwide adored the Conservatives?

No. Nor the other parties. And in fact, few people seem to genuinely "adore" the Conservatives, even if they support them over the others.

In my view, the media doesn't like to be totally wrong in their analyses. Support for the CPC did exist in the public. The MSM couldn't endorse an NDP coalition without totally discrediting themselves...or could they?

So...the endorsement of the Conservatives is further evidence of the media's left-leaning tendencies?

:)

I wonder if any of those newspapers that "endorsed" the Conservatives were predicting a majority government?

Doesn't matter, as few people were. One of our Conservatives here noted, accurately, that a minority of Conservative supporters on this board were predicting a Conservative majority.

Few media outlets predicted a hundred NDP seats, either. (I heard zero predictions along these lines.) Does thta mean the media were hostile to the NDP???

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So still no actual stats? What does "most" mean? 51/49? Higher than that? Even your source qualifies their premise by saying that other papers "more or less agree" with the Conservative endorsement.

There are more sources. Every major paper but one endorsed the Conservatives.

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Do you really need to see stats?

http://www.j-source.ca/english_new/detail.php?id=6470

There are other, similar stories if you want to see them.

...and then Shady completely ignores it demanding a 'count'.

I mean, I guess I'd be skeptical too if I ate all of the conservative party lines and swallowed them hook, line and sinker. His world must be shattering around him. How can he survive without a media boogeyman that is 'anything other than hard right'.

We found a lost puppy craving attention. Nothing more.

We should stop feeding the troll.

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...and then Shady completely ignores it demanding a 'count'.

The idea of moving the goal posts, as is frequently done, is due to that crumbling ethos that the MSM is against them , out to get them, and of course the "what the F can we use now if they endorse us? " problem.

They dont like to be liked, they get wary.

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I'm not overly concerned about "impression." Clearly, a number of peple have the "impression" that the media generally is leftwing; and yet they are hostile to seriously considering the matter, and indifferent, at best, to discussion of the topic.

Yes, they get that impression the media is generally left-wing. The fact Fox news is labelled right wing is evidence enough for me that the rest of the media is left. I beleive you hold that the media are neutral and present both sides in an equal light. Would that be correct?

Perhaps, like what you say about the media, they don't like to be totally wrong in their analysis. Better to avoid the topic, beyond reiteration of the unexamined, cherished, "leftist media" theme.

Well, no I don't think they beleive they are wrong. If you don't get the impression the MSM is left wing, similar to Hillary Clinton and her "vast right wing media conspiracy", then perhaps consider yourself like her a little further left than you actually position yourself.

Chomsky is most often labelled a left wing socialist, do you think he is a centrist or somehow transcends the left right paradigm?

No. Nor the other parties. And in fact, few people seem to genuinely "adore" the Conservatives, even if they support them over the others.

That is your impression? The word "adore" suggests a certain blindness to the failings or shortcomings of the subject of adoration. In this sense I would say the media adores the lib-left. So I agree few seem to adore the conservatives. I myself like Harper, but don't agree with him totally on all his positions. Perhaps with a majority he will tend to implement more policies I can agree with.

So...the endorsement of the Conservatives is further evidence of the media's left-leaning tendencies?

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I don't know what you would expect the media to endorse. The Liberal/NDP/Bloc coalition? The media likes progressive liberalism, the lib-left concepts of social justice and equality and promotes that as it's concept of what is best for the country. In that Globe and Mail link someone supplied that outlines it's endorsement over the past, the very first article describes the G & M as a supporter of liberalism for all of it's 80 years prior. Granted liberalism meant a different thing back then.

Doesn't matter, as few people were. One of our Conservatives here noted, accurately, that a minority of Conservative supporters on this board were predicting a Conservative majority.

I thought it possible.

Few media outlets predicted a hundred NDP seats, either. (I heard zero predictions along these lines.) Does thta mean the media were hostile to the NDP???

Quebec makes Canadian federal politics somewhat unpredictable. No one expected the Bloc to be shutdown.

No, the media generally treats the federal NDP as necessary but irrelevant.

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I'd like him to prove his premise first. That's going to be difficult. My guess is, that he was just talking out of his ass. And has nothing to back up his claim.

You mean like the OP, which just declares that there was bias and did nothing to show any?

Funny you didnt seem to care if he "proved it" or not.

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You mean like the OP, which just declares that there was bias and did nothing to show any?

Funny you didnt seem to care if he "proved it" or not.

It's been proven countless times. Because the MSM can't honestly display it's contempt, as you and BM so freely do, doesn't mean bias doesn't exist.

I'm beginning to understand that the nuances and insinuations of the MSM are completely missed by those of the left and because they aren't outright statements of disdain the left then feels they have digested the "facts" and intelligently formulated their own opinion from them from an "unbiased" source.

An example would be of the portrayal of right wing ideologue Ann Coulter and her appearance at a Canadian university which was met with protest, complete with a letter from the Dean of the university advising against any hate speech. This would be simply a part of the democratic process. However, protests against the appearance of a left wing advocate hatefully portraying capitalism as materialistic and imperialistic that should be heavily regulated if not taxed out of existence would be portrayed as anti-democratic.

The preconceived notions of the left that capitalism is imperialistic and materialistic is missed, to them, it's an established fact already. They then perceive the media to be telling it as it is with no bias whatsoever.

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Yes, they get that impression the media is generally left-wing. The fact Fox news is labelled right wing is evidence enough for me that the rest of the media is left.

That's preposterous. That's not "evidence" in anyway. MSNBC "is labelled left wing," so that must be (through your own formulation) "evidence enough" for you?

I beleive you hold that the media are neutral and present both sides in an equal light. Would that be correct?

Not at all. I believe the media are biased towards Establishment power and wealth and nationalism.

I agree that there are filters which determine bias: ownership, advertising, sourcing, flak, and, yes, ideology.

You think there is one filter (also named in the model I use.)

Well, no I don't think they beleive they are wrong. If you don't get the impression the MSM is left wing, similar to Hillary Clinton and her "vast right wing media conspiracy", then perhaps consider yourself like her a little further left than you actually position yourself.

I think Hillary Clinton is dead wrong, and that she displayed with that comment a similar delusion to those who assert a "leftwing" media.

Chomsky is most often labelled a left wing socialist, do you think he is a centrist or somehow transcends the left right paradigm?

Leaving aside that "centrist" is usually a self-applied label, and so any extremist can be deemed a "centrist" if he or she so wishes...Chomsky does not feel that the media has a right-wing bias either. Not at all. He feels the "left/right" paradigm is generally not useful in uderstanding media generally.

It's been proven countless times.

Where? Show me. I've been trying to have this debate for some time.

I'm beginning to understand that the nuances and insinuations of the MSM are completely missed by those of the left

:) I want to have this debate, but you refuse to move beyond the hard science of your "inpressions," Pliny.

Since the news media is a sprawling, but utterly interrelated institutional entity, the only way to navigate media bias is through an expansive institutional analysis.

I'm willing to give it a shot.

But you aren't.

I'm beginning to understand that the nuances and insinuations of the MSM are completely missed by those of the left

And yet "the left"--that is, those who do not share your "impressions" of the media--keep missing these "nuances and insinuations" endemic to news media..but which, for some reason, you remain utterly loathe to discuss in any concrete way.

The preconceived notions of the left that capitalism is imperialistic and materialistic is missed, to them, it's an established fact already. They then perceive the media to be telling it as it is with no bias whatsoever.

Then this could be the opening salvo of your part of our debate (of which you get first post, first word): that the corporate news media are fundamentally opposed to themselves on an ideological level; that the media, which are usually corporate entities or owned by larger conglomerates, are radical Marxists trying to undermine themselves in an act of self-immolation. And that their shareholders seem pretty sanguine at this self-destructive "Business" practice.

It sounds like a pretty crazed conspiracy theory, but if that's your starting premise, ok.

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