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8 minutes ago, turningrite said:

They're both dead now, so I can't ask them to explain their thinking at the time, but you may be correct that they didn't want to be labelled as racists, or perhaps more accurately xenophobes, which seems to be the reflexively standard response when anybody points out shortcomings associated with our immigration and/or refugee programs. My point, though, is that if everybody remained calm in the face of perceived cultural or racial aggression our society might be better off. My parents had no way to prove who vandalized their car, or why, so shouting their suspicions from the rooftops wouldn't have been fair. More recently, as in the false report that a young girl was attacked for wearing a hijab, sensationalist reportage has blown divisive issues out of proportion. And I still can't get my mind around microaggressions, where supposedly we can subconsciously discriminate base on our facial expressions or tone of voice. Who comes up with this stuff, and how does it help society?

The problem that we have is that no one in authority will say it as it is and say that it is the black gangs that are doing all the drive by shootings in Toronto these days. And these black gang members don't even care if there is some innocent bystander in the way. They will shoot them too without any hesitation. Most of these blacks immigrated here from many black countries and have decided that a life of crime is better in Canada than actually have to go and work for a living. Just saying. 

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7 hours ago, taxme said:

The problem that we have is that no one in authority will say it as it is and say that it is the black gangs that are doing all the drive by shootings in Toronto these days. And these black gang members don't even care if there is some innocent bystander in the way. They will shoot them too without any hesitation. Most of these blacks immigrated here from many black countries and have decided that a life of crime is better in Canada than actually have to go and work for a living. Just saying. 

Many of the young blacks being killed in and around Toronto are born and/or raised here. The gang issues that have emerged certainly present a conundrum. Targeted policing is interpreted as being inherently racist, which hinders a prevention approach. Even though high school students in some instances reportedly indicated a preference that police officers remain within their schools, for instance, activists have at least in some cases had these community-based programs terminated. Personally, I think much of the problem in the GTA focuses specifically on subsidized housing. I'm of the view that long-term subsidized housing should be available only to seniors and the disabled. Otherwise, it generates deleterious and intergenerational impacts that appear to be intractable.

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It is happening to the country not just toronto. The left wing have some weird obsession with Islam and feel a need to hand the country over to them or the sikhs. In 20 yrs if this is not stopped ,we will not recognize this country at all. Islam needs to be on  its own, not forcing its beliefs on other countries.

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23 hours ago, turningrite said:

Many of the young blacks being killed in and around Toronto are born and/or raised here. The gang issues that have emerged certainly present a conundrum. Targeted policing is interpreted as being inherently racist, which hinders a prevention approach. Even though high school students in some instances reportedly indicated a preference that police officers remain within their schools, for instance, activists have at least in some cases had these community-based programs terminated. Personally, I think much of the problem in the GTA focuses specifically on subsidized housing. I'm of the view that long-term subsidized housing should be available only to seniors and the disabled. Otherwise, it generates deleterious and intergenerational impacts that appear to be intractable.

To hell with it if it --- appears --- to be racist. Call it as it is. If green people are massively killing blue people then say so and report it as so. This is political correctness and multiculturalism and diversity madness in action. This country is being destroyed by the lack of truth being reported to we the people by our left wing liberals and their liberal media. The liberal have no establishment have no problem talking about some black person winning an award for being a nice person but yet if they do anything bad well just ignore it for racist sake. Enough already and this bs nonsense. Works for me. :D

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On 7/5/2018 at 2:54 PM, PIK said:

It is happening to the country not just toronto. The left wing have some weird obsession with Islam and feel a need to hand the country over to them or the sikhs. In 20 yrs if this is not stopped ,we will not recognize this country at all. Islam needs to be on  its own, not forcing its beliefs on other countries.

Right on, same in Europe.  Islam is the only religion/political system protected from criticism and debate. 

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58 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Right on, same in Europe.  Islam is the only religion/political system protected from criticism and debate. 

All religions are suspect, imo. But we are free to participate or not as we wish.

In Canada, it's the bigoted attacks on people because of their religion that are problematic. 

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I think the whole educational system is falling apart. People want their kids in private schools i wonder why we have an inbalanced immigration policy that is breaking down our society plain and simple. I think all this chatter is misdirected if we demand a more balanced imigration policy that does'nt cater to the flood of liberal supporters who promise these new comers everything under the sun which then places the burden on municipalities who can't house them or properly school them. Most of which have little education or can contribute to our society and a culture who  has 3x the child bearing rate over average. Don t get me wrong i am not against this statistic but this is creating a crisis. I feel sorry for all you liberal voters this has been in the works for a long time and a Liberal strategy to bring hundred of thousands more to buy loyal supporters.  Take a look at what George Soro's is doing around the world including USA to secure a socialist government under EU law read deeper. Trudeau is a puppet to the establishment if you want real change start at the top we cant afford to take care of our own yet our tax dollars are feeding an immigration policy that is unsustainable. I think Trump has the right idea I am not against immigration my Parents immigrated into Canada with nothing but hard work and dedication and paid for everything without government assistance. I think we need to choose our government wisely this coming election cause every vote will count to see any real change. Look at Faith Goldy's views 

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ok i like how people like to twist words to stear a debate I think we all need to look back at history when the nazi's created the utlimate socialist party. And if you dont think thats where we are heading read more and lets have a constructive conversation. I am not here to waste anyones time and dont apreciate the bashing thats not very democratic.  All i am saying is that political parties lose their incentives to rule in the interest of citizens and the liberals have had their chance we need a change. If you are so concerned about your kids then we better teach them that socialism will kill us all.

Democrats have a more positive view of socialism than capitalism, poll finds. ... According to a Gallup poll published Monday, a majority of Democrats no longer hold a positive view of capitalism, while nearly 60 percent of them feel good about socialism
 

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52 minutes ago, Stanley Manley said:

ok i like how people like to twist words to stear a debate I think we all need to look back at history when the nazi's created the utlimate socialist party. And if you dont think thats where we are heading read more and lets have a constructive conversation. I am not here to waste anyones time and dont apreciate the bashing thats not very democratic.  All i am saying is that political parties lose their incentives to rule in the interest of citizens and the liberals have had their chance we need a change. If you are so concerned about your kids then we better teach them that socialism will kill us all.

Democrats have a more positive view of socialism than capitalism, poll finds. ... According to a Gallup poll published Monday, a majority of Democrats no longer hold a positive view of capitalism, while nearly 60 percent of them feel good about socialism
 

Schools and Universities don't teach the proven, historical (and current) failures of socialism - and the death and misery that comes from its policies. Socialism inevitably leads to a police state, because people who don't play along or compete with the state system must be stopped - one way or another. Socialism is like a giant monopoly, with barriers to entry "licenses", special permits, grants, subsidization, trade restrictions, quotas, tariffs. Even technology and innovation become the enemy.  Socialism - even in its milder "transitional" form, blunts the natural human tendencies to explore - to be the best that one can be - to be more than people expect you to be. Most millennials can't relate to the significance of the Berlin Wall. Germans - one of History's most industrious, proud people - could not make Socialism work and became nothing short of an enslaved state with its people locked in by force. The Leftist "Humanities" professors who have infested and infected Universities continue to "normalize" a romantic version of Socialist Utopia. Instead, they should be teaching the realities of Socialism's history - and the need to feed the human soul with aspirations.  

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Finally someone who is in favor of capitalism and i thank you for that analogy which i could' not agree more. The educational system is definitely corrupting our youth and all the while the nanny state is dictating a curriculum of deceit to the point youth are losing their identity as a people and as a country with no Canadian cultural values left. We have such rooted corruption to the highest levels that it is going to take a purge to bring this society back on its feet. This is not only happening here in this country but around the world. Kids today are discouraged and do not have the confidence to step up and make a difference instead they prefer to be mothered by government who will enslave them in the end and it is sad.  I think we need to stop these immigration policies of granting exceptional rights and privileges. This will be the only way to encourage real contributing citizens into the country instead of a socialistic population of liberal voters, and deliberate liberal ploy to buy votes and keep wages down. I dont see the government creating jobs for these new comers instead they are driving companies away. The prime mover of millions of Canadians into the socialist column has been the near complete dysfunctionality of contemporary Canadian capitalism. Where once the regulated, unionized and semi-socialized capitalism of the mid-20th century produced a vibrant middle class majority, the deregulated, deunionized and financialized capitalism of the past 35 years has produced record levels of inequality, a shrinking middle class, and scant economic opportunities along with record economic burdens for the young. Socialism is a alluring when you give up your freedoms for security but in the end you lose both. Dont be fooled  

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26 minutes ago, Stanley Manley said:

Finally someone who is in favor of capitalism and i thank you for that analogy which i could' not agree more. The educational system is definitely corrupting our youth and all the while the nanny state is dictating a curriculum of deceit to the point youth are losing their identity as a people and as a country with no Canadian cultural values left. We have such rooted corruption to the highest levels that it is going to take a purge to bring this society back on its feet. This is not only happening here in this country but around the world. Kids today are discouraged and do not have the confidence to step up and make a difference instead they prefer to be mothered by government who will enslave them in the end and it is sad.  I think we need to stop these immigration policies of granting exceptional rights and privileges. This will be the only way to encourage real contributing citizens into the country instead of a socialistic population of liberal voters, and deliberate liberal ploy to buy votes and keep wages down. I dont see the government creating jobs for these new comers instead they are driving companies away. The prime mover of millions of Canadians into the socialist column has been the near complete dysfunctionality of contemporary Canadian capitalism. Where once the regulated, unionized and semi-socialized capitalism of the mid-20th century produced a vibrant middle class majority, the deregulated, deunionized and financialized capitalism of the past 35 years has produced record levels of inequality, a shrinking middle class, and scant economic opportunities along with record economic burdens for the young. Socialism is a alluring when you give up your freedoms for security but in the end you lose both. Dont be fooled  

I believe the decline of the middle class in Western countries is an inherent and inexorable objective of corporate globalism. We're being fooled and misled in this country by governments that simply mask the serious impacts of globalism with ever more subsidy programs. We have created a permanent and growing subsidy class. Ultimately, of course, there won't be enough money to support this strategy. But governments want to distract us from the economic carnage of globalism with artificial narratives about things like racism, diversity and accommodation, where they and a chosen coterie set the terms of discussion. All commentary that undermines the directed narratives is deemed unacceptable, deplorable, or worse. Can democracy actually survive this nonsense?

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On 12/6/2018 at 6:57 AM, Centerpiece said:

Schools and Universities don't teach the proven, historical (and current) failures of socialism - and the death and misery that comes from its policies. Socialism inevitably leads to a police state, because people who don't play along or compete with the state system must be stopped - one way or another. Socialism is like a giant monopoly, with barriers to entry "licenses", special permits, grants, subsidization, trade restrictions, quotas, tariffs. Even technology and innovation become the enemy.  Socialism - even in its milder "transitional" form, blunts the natural human tendencies to explore - to be the best that one can be - to be more than people expect you to be. Most millennials can't relate to the significance of the Berlin Wall. Germans - one of History's most industrious, proud people - could not make Socialism work and became nothing short of an enslaved state with its people locked in by force. The Leftist "Humanities" professors who have infested and infected Universities continue to "normalize" a romantic version of Socialist Utopia. Instead, they should be teaching the realities of Socialism's history - and the need to feed the human soul with aspirations.  

Liberalism, ,socialism, communism, political correctness, multiculturalism and the environmentalism movements and programs and agenda are slowly destroying Canada one day at a time and yet there are fools out there who seem to believe that those ism's are a way to go to solve the world's problems. How stupid can they be. None of those ism's have worked well anywhere in any country in the world and all have become a bloody mess to try to live and try to survive in. When one lives in a country that despises free speech, desires more taxes, and more government there will always be chaos and hunger and poverty. Just saying. 

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Many valid points but shitting on Muslims who live in Toronto simply because they are Muslim? There are plenty of Muslims that would agree with what many of you say and tell you they are not interested in ruling the city of getting special treatment. 

I am not comfortable generalizing all Muslims in one category. Their community is diverse in approach, attitude, religious and other beliefs. They don't all wish to be separate or impose themselves on anyone. That's an overstatement. There are aholes of every community in Toronto.

Even if there are black gangs shooting up the city in chaos as Taxme paints it what about the vast majority of blacks trying to make a living, pay their taxes and live no different than any of us. Do we write them all off?

I am not some bleeding heart apologist however a city is made up of many people and being respectful of all of them is the duty of the governments. Its one thing to say treat everyone the same. Its another to argue entire groups of people should be written off. I know Scribblet or PIK well enough to know they do not call on writing off whole groups of people and get what I say and there comments are I suppose politically incorrect for some but I know they have no problems with any one who follows the same rules.

Can't say the same for Taxme who has made it clear he considers entire groups of people he does not consider "white-English" acceptable. He always gets himself into such discussions getting a pass and mantelpiece to hang his agenda. Aint buyin it just like I didn't buy what Ernst Zundel tried to promulgate on people.

Whether people like it or not Toronto has over 90 ethnic communities and over 130 languages spoken and Spanish is now the no.2 language.

If it is a problem for many, they move to smaller communities. Problem is you better move North. The corridor from Montreal to Windsor is filling up with all kinds of visible minorities. There is a seismic shift of population from China, India and Africa underway and many are headed to Toronto.

As that continues frictions will rise. Don't ask me to encourage hatred or resentment of entire peoples. I engage in criticism of specific opinions and attitudes and not assume all people of the same group have them.

I have no problems with my Muslim next door neighbor. He can be dumb as hell but I have zero problems with him. Why would I? My neighbourhood is all "coloured". I have "coloured" children visit my home every day to bully me and play with my dogs. Its life. When there is an ahole its because they are an ahole not because they have caramel tone in their skin.

Then again I have issues with Toronto Maple Leaf fans. I mean I am happy for them after their years of suffering but some of them are a tad unrealistic about their defense. Ok so Mathews is a hockey God true,  but they should not run wild naked in my neighbourhood when he scores. Savages. Babcockian zealots. Shannonites. Dubakians. Bah.

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4 hours ago, Rue said:

Many valid points but shitting on Muslims who live in Toronto simply because they are Muslim? There are plenty of Muslims that would agree with what many of you say and tell you they are not interested in ruling the city of getting special treatment. 

I am not comfortable generalizing all Muslims in one category. Their community is diverse in approach, attitude, religious and other beliefs. They don't all wish to be separate or impose themselves on anyone. That's an overstatement. There are aholes of every community in Toronto.

Even if there are black gangs shooting up the city in chaos as Taxme paints it what about the vast majority of blacks trying to make a living, pay their taxes and live no different than any of us. Do we write them all off?

I am not some bleeding heart apologist however a city is made up of many people and being respectful of all of them is the duty of the governments. Its one thing to say treat everyone the same. Its another to argue entire groups of people should be written off. I know Scribblet or PIK well enough to know they do not call on writing off whole groups of people and get what I say and there comments are I suppose politically incorrect for some but I know they have no problems with any one who follows the same rules.

Can't say the same for Taxme who has made it clear he considers entire groups of people he does not consider "white-English" acceptable. He always gets himself into such discussions getting a pass and mantelpiece to hang his agenda. Aint buyin it just like I didn't buy what Ernst Zundel tried to promulgate on people.

Whether people like it or not Toronto has over 90 ethnic communities and over 130 languages spoken and Spanish is now the no.2 language.

If it is a problem for many, they move to smaller communities. Problem is you better move North. The corridor from Montreal to Windsor is filling up with all kinds of visible minorities. There is a seismic shift of population from China, India and Africa underway and many are headed to Toronto.

As that continues frictions will rise. Don't ask me to encourage hatred or resentment of entire peoples. I engage in criticism of specific opinions and attitudes and not assume all people of the same group have them.

I have no problems with my Muslim next door neighbor. He can be dumb as hell but I have zero problems with him. Why would I? My neighbourhood is all "coloured". I have "coloured" children visit my home every day to bully me and play with my dogs. Its life. When there is an ahole its because they are an ahole not because they have caramel tone in their skin.

Then again I have issues with Toronto Maple Leaf fans. I mean I am happy for them after their years of suffering but some of them are a tad unrealistic about their defense. Ok so Mathews is a hockey God true,  but they should not run wild naked in my neighbourhood when he scores. Savages. Babcockian zealots. Shannonites. Dubakians. Bah.

I think our economic and political elites are very happy to see ethno-racial-cultural-religious divisions develop as these conflicts detract from any kind of cohesive reaction to the wrenching economic and social changes that are being imposed by the agenda of corporate globalism. These conflicts provide those in charge with a rationale to impose "solutions" that reinforce their broader agenda. The Western middle class is being eviscerated without much more than a whimper on the part of those being displaced, although we are seeing some pushback in places like France and America's rust belt. Perhaps my perspective, grounded in Marxian analytical logic, is old-fashioned in the context of today's progressives, who've sold out to post-intellectual neo-Marxian identitarianism. But I think it's the self-styled progressives who are being duped and transformed into useful idiots in support of an agenda they don't fully recognize or understand.

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23 minutes ago, turningrite said:

I think our economic and political elites are very happy to see ethno-racial-cultural-religious divisions develop as these conflicts detract from any kind of cohesive reaction to the wrenching economic and social changes that are being imposed by the agenda of corporate globalism. These conflicts provide those in charge with a rationale to impose "solutions" that reinforce their broader agenda. The Western middle class is being eviscerated without much more than a whimper on the part of those being displaced, although we are seeing some pushback in places like France and America's rust belt. Perhaps my perspective, grounded in Marxian analytical logic, is old-fashioned in the context of today's progressives, who've sold out to post-intellectual neo-Marxian identitarianism. But I think it's the self-styled progressives who are being duped and transformed into useful idiots in support of an agenda they don't fully recognize or understand.

Strongly agree.

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