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Some people get miffed at me when I defend a Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. But it's nothing religious or dogmatic, I simply ask the age old Dear Abby question: Is my life better or worse because of Steve Jobs? And for me the answer is...better...much better.

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I don't think they need much defense, they're both on balance good men who have done a lot of good for the world. Some of their unethical business practises bother me (like you said, it's hard to stay on top and perhaps you have to be a shark to hold that coveted position), but hey, that's not enough to take away too much from the good they've done.

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Great contribution - he assisted in the creation of millions of people who developed a type of obsessive compulsive disorder - and a fixation on pressing little buttons and the stroking of screens...that in the end are just toys - we should celebrate the life of JOBs ----and Santa Clause....Jobs helped create more human insects ...who in the end will give up their humamity for some high end computer chip that places our intelligence out side our brain and in a machine - hope Jobs is in hell where he belongs.

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Oh I will take back that slight against the dead and do what the very diplomatic careerist Michael Coren would do or say - " I am sure that Steve Jobs was a very nice man - but"

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Great contribution - he assisted in the creation of millions of people who developed a type of obsessive compulsive disorder - and a fixation on pressing little buttons and the stroking of screens...that in the end are just toys - we should celebrate the life of JOBs ----and Santa Clause....Jobs helped create more human insects ...who in the end will give up their humamity for some high end computer chip that places our intelligence out side our brain and in a machine - hope Jobs is in hell where he belongs.

the medium... is the message! Look it up - you may gain a new, more enlightened perspective.

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Oh I will take back that slight against the dead and do what the very diplomatic careerist Michael Coren would do or say - " I am sure that Steve Jobs was a very nice man - but"

the appropriate way for you to take your slight against the dead back would be to edit your prior post.

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I use both. I own a PC at home and work on a mac everyday.

Mac's are very user friendly but the price doesn't justify the ease of use and the awesome OS.

People who think Apple's are the greatest thing ever just drink the koolaid.

I'm looking at getting a new puter to do Graphic arts at home. I just looked in the Staples flyer.

They're selling an All-in-One Acer (similar to an iMac) with 6 gb of Ram and a Tb of HD space.

A base model iMac with 4 gb and a half a T of HD space costs upwards of $1,500. I'm sorry but re-sale quality doesn't make up that difference in price.

I give mac it's due, but these people that think anything that isn't mac is crap are tiresome.

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the medium... is the message! Look it up - you may gain a new, more enlightened perspective.

Being a naturalist and old school Christian shaman of a type - I am not in awe of technology...to me these things are not great tools that will or have acted as the saving grace to humanity or nature (planet) - Jobs devices are just that - a device...a diversion - a toy - common high end play things and a "life style" that thrives in the midst of world hunger - war - greed - poverty and other things of great importance.

Jobs held back for 25 years to make sure he had cornered the market as far as soft where - and hardware...during the process of this fulfilment of a dream driven by vicous corporate greed, the bastard stepped on the faces of all in his way - and what did he get? Just like Moses - he was driven and as we see the fickle finger of fate did not allow JOBS to enjoy the promised land.....What good does it do a man if he gains the whole world and loses his mortal (phsical being) soul?"

His great pay day ended in death...what a loser. As for that old saying that the medium is the message - that is like saying that a blank canvass - and a box of paints has something to say - the medium says nothing - there is no message...the message is the message...period - as for a more enlightened persepctive - I really don't see beams of light coming out of a device - that can enlighten and save the world - There is no such evidence of such and effect - as as I click the keys on this machine - all I say - is recorded with the other twenty billion comments....on the net - and the sheer volume of the holding of information makes it useless and meaningless - JOBs was not Jesus - he was more like a satan with empty promises that will never be delivered.

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A must see video of Steve Jobs' address to graduates at Stanford U. in 2005. At the time, it looked like he had beat his cancer. At about the halfway point of the address, he has some powerful words about death and dying.

RIP, Mr. Jobs.

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..... as for a more enlightened persepctive - I really don't see beams of light coming out of a device - that can enlighten and save the world - There is no such evidence of such and effect - as as I click the keys on this machine - all I say - is recorded with the other twenty billion comments....on the net - and the sheer volume of the holding of information makes it useless and meaningless - JOBs was not Jesus - he was more like a satan with empty promises that will never be delivered.

No, Steve Jobs made his mark in ways that you may not understand...from elementary education to the music industry delivery model to the Web itself. Jobs was as important as Henty Ford in making technology personal and very useful for individuals and across groups with shared interests. He also caused a revolution in animated motion picture production (Pixar).

Steve Jobs and Apple actually helped to humanize technology.

Edited by bush_cheney2004

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No, Steve Jobs made his mark in ways that you may not understand...from elementary education to the music industry delivery model to the Web itself. Jobs was as important as Henty Ford in making technology personal and very useful for individuals and across groups with shared interests. He also caused a revolution in animated motion picture production (Pixar).

Steve Jobs and Apple actually helped to humanize technology.

Heard about that...and yes I understand - the dream of Henry Ford was not what you think - His dream was so the common working guy wo lived in a filthy city...could hop in a cheap car and take the family to the beauty of the country on Sunday (the sunday drive) NOT to destroy the world with grid lock.

okay it is not JOBS that I am disrespecting here - it is all those drones who worship some sort of little plastic picture in the palm of their hand...oh and Steve if you are listening - loved the movie - but I never watch one twice - because I am not big on "life style"

Sure you can humanize technology all you want - but that will never ensure that people are not de-humanized by technology...people weep in sheer religious joy when they get an I -phone.....which I percieve as a bit wierd...sorry - I know you love tech - I just wish the the programers were not illiterate and could communicate the instructions on how to use the gadjets with ease....some instructional programmers are totally stupid..and it shows in the product - reminds me of the instructions on the essembly of a frinking lawn mower....simplistically complex to the point of baffling.

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For all his savvy in business, it seems Jobs was succeptible to medical quackery in the form of "alternative medicine".

Should have appealed to the great computer in the sky- and might have gotten better results as far as sustaining his physical being. All that money and he could not save his own life - Reminds me of my rich chemist brother who had total faith in science - put his eldest son on medications..because of some socially percieved chemical imbalance - and the kid goes out and kills himself...Brother dear like Jobs put his faith in human technology - and both were disappointed - I put my faith in the great computer in the sky - and all my kids are thriving and I out lived JOBS...so - who wins here ----tech or God and natureƉ

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:lol:

What`s with the JACK LAYTON quote stuck on the bottom....love is better than anger.....so never get angry - take the anger management course - embrace socialism - become bi-sexual....and all will be well - apparently Jack`s own teachings did not serve him well.

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....I just wish the the programers were not illiterate and could communicate the instructions on how to use the gadjets with ease....some instructional programmers are totally stupid..and it shows in the product - reminds me of the instructions on the essembly of a frinking lawn mower....simplistically complex to the point of baffling.

But this is exactly what Apple's products excelled at. They helped to remove the techno-babble barrier so that people could just do things, not worry about how it got done. Nothing epitomizes this philosophy more than the wildly successful iPad, which you actually touch and feel.

I don't own a lot of Apple products, but I respect them as well made tools for those who like to use or play with them.

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Okay BC - you sold me - I get the concept....all I know is that the divices sound pretty nice...and it would be good if people had something to say or actually do with these tools that is truely productive - at this moment the sun beaming in....and I can`t find the dimmer switch...It`s always sad when you see a person have their dream come true then they die...wonder if it brought him any comfort on his death bed to know that he completed his mission - and was it really worth the sacrafice of a whole life time....

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...It`s always sad when you see a person have their dream come true then they die...wonder if it brought him any comfort on his death bed to know that he completed his mission - and was it really worth the sacrafice of a whole life time....

Well, Steve Jobs certainly knew that he was dying...pancreatic cancer is a bitch that way. But over the past seven years, he pressed on as long as he could, still doing things the Jobs/Apple way. He didn't die alone, despite insisting that privacy even applied to the CEO of Apple Inc.

So I will go home tonight, inspired by Google's tribute link on display today, and boot up my old Macintosh. And for a moment, Steve Jobs will come back to life.

Edited by bush_cheney2004

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But this is exactly what Apple's products excelled at. They helped to remove the techno-babble barrier so that people could just do things, not worry about how it got done. Nothing epitomizes this philosophy more than the wildly successful iPad, which you actually touch and feel.

I don't own a lot of Apple products, but I respect them as well made tools for those who like to use or play with them.

Apple products represent the flipside of the coin of the philosophy that IBM put forward with the very open IBM PC. The PC expansion bus was basically a free-for-all, particularly once the standards and protocols governing it were published. With the Mac, Apple went for the closed store, controlling the hardware, and thus creating a more even experience. I don't know if some folks remember, but I remember, back in the late 1980s and early 1990s running up against incompatibilities between video cards and motherboards, having to order new BIOS chips because the SCSI card I was trying to get running didn't play nice with the version of the BIOS.

At the time, the generally-held belief was that the PC essentially being an open hardware platform gave it the competitive edge over the Mac, and meant expansion hardware dropped in price much faster than it did for Macs. But now as we enter the age of commodity limited-function hardware like tablets, smartphones and e-readers, Apple's philosophy seems to be the winner.

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The PC expansion bus was basically a free-for-all, particularly once the standards and protocols governing it were published. With the Mac, Apple went for the closed store, controlling the hardware, and thus creating a more even experience.
The open architecture of the PC is what created the social revolution. Apple made some money with a niche market and introduced new concepts that were important but without the open PC architecture these innovations may not have not caught on so fast.

As we move into the cell phone/tablet computing age the content will be more important than the platform. Apple has a head start with itunes but players like Amazon and Google are positioned to challenge Apple. Also the huge pool of Windows developer expertise will keep Microsoft in the game if Windows 8 is credible competition to iOS.

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The open architecture of the PC is what created the social revolution. Apple made some money with a niche market and introduced new concepts that were important but without the open PC architecture these innovations may not have not caught on so fast.

Apple's contribution was more important than being able to peck a message on an alt.news.group. Apple took Xerox's pointing device and transformed the experience in a way that forced Microsoft to catch up. Yes, there were other GUI platforms....Commodore GEOS....CPT word processors...GEM....etc...but for major players in the market, Apple set the standard. IBM got into the action as well with OS/2.

The idea of a "trash can" on the desktop may seem trivial today, but it was a completely diffrent way of thinking and interacting with a PC. The easier user experience became that niche market, no longer forcing people to learn arcane procedures and keystrokes. Apple ran with it, becoming the standard for graphics work. Other niche players like Silicon Graphics (SGI) withered and died.

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Apple's contribution was more important than being able to peck a message on an alt.news.group. Apple took Xerox's pointing device and transformed the experience in a way that forced Microsoft to catch up.
Xerox came up with the idea. Apple developed the first commercial implementation. Microsoft made it ubiquitous. I don't believe the computing revolution would have progressed as fast without an open platform.

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Xerox came up with the idea. Apple developed the first commercial implementation. Microsoft made it ubiquitous. I don't believe the computing revolution would have progressed as fast without an open platform.

Right...like most things economics won the day. Once we had decent GUI and OS options on the PC, Apple lost market share except for a few niche markets. There were many other competing proprietary platforms at the time...like Tandy's TRS-80 series for word processing and spreadsheets, which drove business demand. Applications like Word Star on CP/M, VisiCalc, Multimate, and later Excel revolutionized the workplace...so the question became what kind of user experience did you want for these new apps.

Interestingly, IBM no longer makes PCs, selling out to Lenovo.

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Some people get miffed at me when I defend a Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. But it's nothing religious or dogmatic, I simply ask the age old Dear Abby question: Is my life better or worse because of Steve Jobs? And for me the answer is...better...much better.

In your little mind the day that you as a kid got a calculator -You were thrilled beyond belief - now you could add as well as your grade 6 math teacher -now that is power and your life is much better....one and one are two - did you REALLY need a machine for that?

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What`s with the JACK LAYTON quote stuck on the bottom....love is better than anger.....so never get angry - take the anger management course - embrace socialism - become bi-sexual....and all will be well - apparently Jack`s own teachings did not serve him well.

why be hatin', so much? At the time of Layton's death, your MLW status update messages concerning Layton's (cause of) death were bordering on despicable... not despicable in regards to whether or not they were true or false... despicable in terms of your implied negative insinuation concerning "life-style". Perhaps the saving grace for you was the fact there is no archive for board status messages. And now... you are a bit bolder... now in a post you've drawn "broad" attention to sexuality.

to allow yourself to be clearly understood, why not step out of the shadows of long-gone status messages, of broadly applied sexual innuendo - why not lay it out, front and center. Just as a matter of Oleg Bach stated fact, and for the formal MLW record, if you have something to firmly state about the cause of Layton's death or of Jack Layton's sexuality, state it - clear and precisely.

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