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“It's easy for the federal government to pass new laws dealing with crime,” Mr. McGuinty told reporters in Ottawa.

“But if there are new costs associated with those laws that have to be borne by taxpayers in the province of Ontario, then I expect that the feds will pick up that tab.”

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Parliamentary budget officer Kevin Page, who is coming up with his own estimate this month, has said the government's figure included no methodology or supporting information.

Imagine... the Conservatives don't have any evidence for their garbage legislation. Hurray for ideological hacks.

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Well, having secured a hefty 37% of the popular vote compared to the conservative party's paltry 35%, McGuinty does have a strong mandate from the electorate to stick it to the conservatives.

Most important point:

Neither Mr. McGuinty nor Mr. Fournier explained how their provinces would force Ottawa to foot the bill. Courts in those provinces would be obliged to obey changes to the Criminal Code.

Both ON and especially QC are have-not provinces as well getting transfer payments from the West. They have no leg to stand on. "Hell no we won't pay!! Ok now can you sign over that transfer payment cheque?" :lol:

Silly hippies.

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The provinces don't really have a choice. The federal government has a right to make the criminal law, and the provinces have to enforce it.

Also, the PBO has been almost consistently wrong.

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Both ON and especially QC are have-not provinces as well getting transfer payments from the West. They have no leg to stand on. "Hell no we won't pay!! Ok now can you sign over that transfer payment cheque?" :lol:

Somebody failed Gr 7 studies.

Silly hippies.

Most of them passed that Grade. But hey, you can laugh in your own ignorance.

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Well, having secured a hefty 37% of the popular vote compared to the conservative party's paltry 35%, McGuinty does have a strong mandate from the electorate to stick it to the conservatives.

You don't think the NDP would side with the Liberals on this issue? Come on now...

Most important point:

Both ON and especially QC are have-not provinces as well getting transfer payments from the West. They have no leg to stand on. "Hell no we won't pay!! Ok now can you sign over that transfer payment cheque?"

I think your understanding of the redistribution of the wealth is a little out of whack. No one gets "transfer payments from the West" they are federal equalization payments contributed back to a province on per capita calculations. Ontario's wealth is more than all the western provinces combined.

Silly hippies

Yeah, right, it's the hippies that don't understand. :rolleyes:

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You don't think the NDP would side with the Liberals on this issue? Come on now...

I think your understanding of the redistribution of the wealth is a little out of whack. No one gets "transfer payments from the West" they are federal equalization payments contributed back to a province on per capita calculations. Ontario's wealth is more than all the western provinces combined.

Yeah, right, it's the hippies that don't understand. :rolleyes:

No one gets "transfer payments from the West" they are federal equalization payments contributed back to a province on per capita calculations. Ontario's wealth is more than all the western provinces combined.

A---Sask, Alberta & BC are supporting the ROC with their "contributions" to the ROC via equalization payments.

Quebec is supposedly a Proud "nation"--- then if so proud, why accept welfare payments?

If Ontario is so damn rich, how can a liberal government downgrade it to a "Have not" in a matter of 8 years?

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A---Sask, Alberta & BC are supporting the ROC with their "contributions" to the ROC via equalization payments.

Quebec is supposedly a Proud "nation"--- then if so proud, why accept welfare payments?

If Ontario is so damn rich, how can a liberal government downgrade it to a "Have not" in a matter of 8 years?

The provincial justice ministers could just tell the cops and crowns not to enforce certain laws just like they did with the gun registry. Also provincial governments could play hardball by reducing the ammount in police budgets by the same ammount those police agencies cost the provinces by enforcing stupid laws like pot prohibition. That would be great, but I doubt it will happen. It would be nice to see the provinces opt out of using the RCMP and have their own police agencies so the province can direct them as to its law enforcement priorities.

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A---Sask, Alberta & BC are supporting the ROC with their "contributions" to the ROC via equalization payments.

Quebec is supposedly a Proud "nation"--- then if so proud, why accept welfare payments?

If Ontario is so damn rich, how can a liberal government downgrade it to a "Have not" in a matter of 8 years?

Well how could the liberals have known that wealth isn't measured in trees, windmills, teachers, nurses, and self-righteousness? :lol:

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A---Sask, Alberta & BC are supporting the ROC with their "contributions" to the ROC via equalization payments.

Quebec is supposedly a Proud "nation"--- then if so proud, why accept welfare payments?

If Ontario is so damn rich, how can a liberal government downgrade it to a "Have not" in a matter of 8 years?

You have absolutely no idea how the federal transfer works.

Everyone in Canada pays exactly the same amount in federal income tax.

Those provinces get less in terms of cash transfers from the federal government. In other words, they get less for their tax dollars than the "have-not" provinces. The solution to this is a lower tax-rate.

However...

Everyone in Canada pays exactly the same amount in federal income tax.

So, if the fed lowered the income tax rate, it would be lowered across the board and the "have-not" provinces would still require federal transfers.

What the federal government does not do is charge more to SK, BC, and AB, then give that money to the "have-not" provinces. The federal government does not and cannot charge a different income tax rate based on someone's geography.

Federal income tax is just that: federal. It used to support the entire nation, not particular localities.

The people of one province do not support the people of another province. Everyone's paying the exact same thing.

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:lol: isn't that what you lefties call the "race to the bottom"? I guess alberta should just reduce their provincial income tax to zero. Take all the jobs while also becoming a "have not" province and shifting the entire burden of services onto other provinces overpaying federal taxes.

Delusional, hypocritical, typical leftist nonsense.

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A---Sask, Alberta & BC are supporting the ROC with their "contributions" to the ROC via equalization payments.

Quebec is supposedly a Proud "nation"--- then if so proud, why accept welfare payments?

If Ontario is so damn rich, how can a liberal government downgrade it to a "Have not" in a matter of 8 years?

Ironically, BC would be a have-not province too if it wasn't for the pot that Ottawa's targeting with its crime bill.

Now we're expected to pick up the tab to turn the province back into a have-not province? Good luck with that. BTW is that on top of the HST implementation money we're supposed to pay back?

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A---Sask, Alberta & BC are supporting the ROC with their "contributions" to the ROC via equalization payments. Quebec is supposedly a Proud "nation"--- then if so proud, why accept welfare payments?

If Ontario is so damn rich, how can a liberal government downgrade it to a "Have not" in a matter of 8 years?

What part of: "Ontario's wealth is more than all the western provinces combined." do you not understand? Is English your second language or do you not know how transfer payments work? Maybe a little of both?

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You have absolutely no idea how the federal transfer works.

Neither do I, and I live in the West!

Everyone in Canada pays exactly the same amount in federal income tax.

True, yet very misleading!

Those provinces get less in terms of cash transfers from the federal government. In other words, they get less for their tax dollars than the "have-not" provinces. The solution to this is a lower tax-rate.

To simply say that if we lower the tax rate, then that would resolve the conflict of the very concept of some remedial equalization concept. The very idea of using functional economies to subsidize their own dis-functional competition is simply ludicrous to me. That is all the equalization formulas amount to in fiscal terms, blatant favoritism displayed by the governments for the welfare state. Reward those who do not earn their own way at the expense of those that do. Interesting concept for a right wing government.

However...

Everyone in Canada pays exactly the same amount in federal income tax.

Can we also say that every tax dollar is one removed from the free market and wasted on bureaucracy.

So, if the fed lowered the income tax rate, it would be lowered across the board and the "have-not" provinces would still require federal transfers.

The very idea that a province would require federal transfers at all scares the hell out of me! How can it be possible to spend more money and get less for it? Those provinces need to take a lesson from Alberta and pay off their debts. To do anything less is simply irresponsible.

What the federal government does not do is charge more to SK, BC, and AB, then give that money to the "have-not" provinces. The federal government does not and cannot charge a different income tax rate based on someone's geography.

Well....not exactly. Some things are treated differently in some situations. For instance the creation of electricity is taxed in different ways.

Federal income tax is just that: federal. It used to support the entire nation, not particular localities.

Yeah, then ALL governments got greedy and the dummies all forgot that there is only one tax payer!

The people of one province do not support the people of another province. Everyone's paying the exact same thing.

Right, and the tooth fairy collects the tab! I guess it certainly does depend on how you look at stuff. From my perspective, Alberta has paid some 100 billion dollars more into confederation then it has taken out. Just sayin'..............

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:lol: isn't that what you lefties call the "race to the bottom"? I guess alberta should just reduce their provincial income tax to zero. Take all the jobs while also becoming a "have not" province and shifting the entire burden of services onto other provinces overpaying federal taxes.

Delusional, hypocritical, typical leftist nonsense.

Back in the day, the good old "righties" would know what they are talking about, but you obviously don't have a clue about how transfer payments work. Go be a good boy and pump our oil.

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Yes, we should all learn from Alberta, with one of the largest governments in the country.

Canada is one economy, one country. Equalization is a reflection of that. Small minded ness related to Equalization isn't.

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:lol: isn't that what you lefties call the "race to the bottom"? I guess alberta should just reduce their provincial income tax to zero. Take all the jobs while also becoming a "have not" province and shifting the entire burden of services onto other provinces overpaying federal taxes.

Delusional, hypocritical, typical leftist nonsense.

You have no idea how transfer payments work, do you?

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They don't have any choices in the matter. If they want more money they can beg for it. Get on their high horses and the feds will tell them to stick it.

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then why are safe injection sites legal now?

Because the Supreme Court is made up of lawyers who have always been desperate to exercise real power and are abusing their position to do so.

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