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If Ontario is so damn rich, how can a liberal government downgrade it to a "Have not" in a matter of 8 years?

If Ontario and Quebec have no say in what costs they incur from legislation that is passed in Ottawa then how responsible would McGuinty be for Ontario being downgraded?

Is McGuinty the prime minister of Ontario?Or is Steven Harper?

When Ontario becomes downgraded who is the prime minister of Ontario then?

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Can we also say that every tax dollar is one removed from the free market and wasted on bureaucracy.

No, because there isn't - and never has been - a "free market." Unless you believe in the tooth fairy too.

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This is just going to pave the way for privatized prisons. That's how the CPC will solve the problem.

As long as they're run properly and well-supervised by the government I don't have a problem with that.

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Back in the day, the good old "righties" would know what they are talking about, but you obviously don't have a clue about how transfer payments work. Go be a good boy and pump our oil.

How many unaccounted transfer payments are there in the thousands of federal government jobs in ON and QC? Who pays for those jobs and pensions? Federal taxpayers across the country. There's more than just the transfer payments going to these have-not provinces.. There's billions in salaries and pensions for bureaucrats. It's a system designed to prop up failed socialist ideals.

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How many unaccounted transfer payments are there in the thousands of federal government jobs in ON and QC?

You do realize that Ontario taxpayers pay far more into the federation than they receive in transfers and services, right?

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How many unaccounted transfer payments are there in the thousands of federal government jobs in ON and QC? Who pays for those jobs and pensions? Federal taxpayers across the country. There's more than just the transfer payments going to these have-not provinces.. There's billions in salaries and pensions for bureaucrats. It's a system designed to prop up failed socialist ideals.

How many unaccounted transfer payments are there in the thousands of federal government jobs in the West and Maritimes - you know, federal departments regional offices, Service Canada centres, military bases - etc.? Who pays for those jobs and pensions? Federal taxpayers across the country. There's more than just the transfer payments going to these provinces. There's billions in salaries and pensions for bureaucrats. Duh. :rolleyes:

See what I mean? You can't even argue properly because you don't know even what you are talking about. Real conservatives used to know the facts. Now all we have is backwoods idealogues. :blink:

Get back in that mine and dig out our potash.

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In the face of all the unwillingness to pay for his crime agenda perhaps Harper should run the idea by his social investors or maybe selling war-bonds or something would be more appropriate.

The War on Unreported Crime Bonds.

I like that idea!

Here is a poster for it:

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Newfoundland and Labrador's Justice Minister is speaking out against it.

http://www.vocm.com/newsarticle.asp?mn=2&ID=18259

Oh come on!

Newfoundland's Tory Justice Minister says the crime bill "is a potentially costly gaffe that undermines democracy."

http://m.ctv.ca/topstories/20111102/newfoundland-feds-crime-bill-111102.html

To be fair, I didn't use the province's proper name, but nobody cares about Labrador anyway. jk :)

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How many unaccounted transfer payments are there in the thousands of federal government jobs in the West and Maritimes - you know, federal departments regional offices, Service Canada centres, military bases - etc.? Who pays for those jobs and pensions? Federal taxpayers across the country. There's more than just the transfer payments going to these provinces. There's billions in salaries and pensions for bureaucrats. Duh. :rolleyes:

See what I mean? You can't even argue properly because you don't know even what you are talking about. Real conservatives used to know the facts. Now all we have is backwoods idealogues. :blink:

Get back in that mine and dig out our potash.

Are you trying to compare the amount of federal governemnt jobs in the West and Maritimes to the amount of federal jobs in Ontario and Quebec? Ontario alone has an entire city of federal employees living in their own dream world of defined benefit pensions and unicorns.

http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/govt58a-eng.htm

133k out of 315k federal government jobs are in Ottawa-Gatineau.

Another 60k are in Montreal, Toronto, or Quebec City.

10k more in Kingston and Hamilton.

There's 2/3rds of federal government jobs in those 6 cities alone (and still a good 20k jobs left in smaller cities).

Alberta has 18.5k (5.8% of 315k) federal government jobs and almost 11% of Canada's population.

BC has 28.7k (9% of 315k) federal government jobs and 13% of Canada's population.

Saskatchewan has 5.8k (1.8% of 315k) federal government jobs and 3% of Canada's population.

Nova Scotia 20k (6.3% of 315k) federal government jobs and 2.7% of Canada's population.

Ontario/Quebec 223k (71% of 315k) federal government jobs and 61% of Canada's population.

The hidden transfer payments.

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So we should just get rid of the entire federal bureaucracy? Are you nuts? :huh:

So we should just implant armed nuclear weapons in newborn infants and drop them on China? Are you nuts? :huh:

Now go find where either of us made either of these arguments.

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Are you trying to compare the amount of federal governemnt jobs in the West and Maritimes to the amount of federal jobs in Ontario and Quebec? Ontario alone has an entire city of federal employees living in their own dream world of defined benefit pensions and unicorns.

Yes ...all true. Its called the Capital Of Canada !

What a whiner.

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Yes ...all true. Its called the Capital Of Canada !

What a whiner.

Whiner? I'm not the one protesting.

All I said in this thread is that ON and QC have a weak argument and that they get plenty of transfers from the rest of Canada which can be curtailed, I included federal government jobs as part of those transfers since they are paid for with federal taxes.

27% of the population in the Western provinces get less than 17% of the cushy federal government jobs. Do they pay less federal taxes for that? No, they pay more in fact, and that overpayment is also transferred to ON and QC.

My "whining" is limited to voting for the conservatives. They will run sh*t the most in line with my beliefs. I will not be calling for an Arab Spring to overthrow the government and its unjust distribution of federal government jobs. I will leave that type of whining to you hippies. Carry on.

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It isn't an unjust distribution. Ottawa, Montreal, and Gatineau are all very close to the centre of the government (Ottawa and Gatineau are the centre), and Toronto is the largest city in Canada with the largest financial services institutions. Calgary probably has a growing base of government employment, too.

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Whiner?

Yup. See below

All I said in this thread is that ON and QC have a weak argument and that they get plenty of transfers ...27% of the population in the Western provinces get less than 17% of the cushy federal government jobs. Do they pay less federal taxes for that? No, they pay more in fact, and that overpayment is also transferred to ON and QC.

Yes whining. Boo hoo. Move to Ottawa and take one of those jobs. Good pay, but then you still have to live in Ottawa.

Bold...they pay the same .

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It isn't an unjust distribution. Ottawa, Montreal, and Gatineau are all very close to the centre of the government (Ottawa and Gatineau are the centre), and Toronto is the largest city in Canada with the largest financial services institutions. Calgary probably has a growing base of government employment, too.

And what about Nova Scotia?

Calgary has 4400 federal government employees. I already posted the link with a city by city breakdown. Perhaps refer to that link before determining how just the distribution is.

And it certainly is unjust. Having worked in the federal government, I can tell you that there is a hell of a lot of jobs there that could be done in the west. There's no reason for the majority of the jobs to be at or near the "centre of the government".

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