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Face veils banned for citizenship oaths

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Guest American Woman

Yeah, you wouldn't think so, until you look into the statistics of the number of women with body image issues, the increase in plastic surgery over the years, and the amount of money spent each year on cosmetics and diet fads. When it becomes that prevalent it's less about personal choice and more about social programming.

Yeah, you're right. I'd much rather live in Saudi Arabia where I have no rights at all than to live here and have to live with social pressure. Not having choices is so much more appealing.

Bottom line. "Social programming"/social pressure and "the law" are two very different things. Take it from a woman. Living here is one helluva lot better than living there. And no "evidence" you try to give me will change that.

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This is how you're an object to be consumed by men's gaze.

Enjoying the female form,as a male,is objectification...

Well,I'm not gay!!!!

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My point of view?? I'm a woman. I think I know more about women being treated as an object than you, a man, would. I think I know more about me not being treated as an object than you would. You think your evidence will change that??

I know a hell of a lot more about society and culture than you.

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with you assuming all women who wear a veil are strong armed??? :rolleyes:

No...But some are "programmed socially"...

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Not the murder,obviously that's unnacceptable...

But the culture that seems to condone this behaviour,and within it,the wearing of regressive headgear as acceptable...

Regressive behaviour towards females,being the key here...

Well... I could care less what muslim women wear. But in any case we cant do anything about it. Banning women from wearing these face coverings would be just as regressive as forcing them to. What we oughtta do, and what we CAN do is make it clear to them that in Canada its their choice. And I think most of them understand that pretty well because I very rarely see muslim women wearing these outfits.

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Yeah, you're right. I'd much rather live in Saudi Arabia where I have no rights at all than to live here and have to live with social pressure. Not having choices is so much more appealing.

Bottom line. "Social programming"/social pressure and "the law" are two very different things. Take it from a woman. Living here is one helluva lot better than living there. And no "evidence" you try to give me will change that.

I'm not talking about which one's better than the other. They vary in degree, not by kind. That's the point. Of course you wouldn't want to live in Saudi Arabia. I'm not arguing that. It's pretty convenient that you feel you can shut down conversation by saying "take it from a woman" when you don't agree with someone's point of view, but you haven't told anyone else in this thread that agrees with you that their male opinion isn't valid. I should just put you on ignore because I can't even take you seriously anymore.

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Guest American Woman
GostHacked, on 12 December 2011 - 09:05 PM, said: Women can go tolpess in Ontario, I do recall it being legal now. Not that many do, and thankfully some of them don't. But hey a hot scantily clad lady wearing a veil could be very exciting.

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This is how you're an object to be consumed by men's gaze.

I'm not going topless! Women have that right, as they have the right to dress scantily or not. And I would wager that some women love the attention going topless/dressing scantily gives them. It's a choice.

And fyi, ]women have been known to gaze at men, too. It works both ways.

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Well... I could care less what muslim women wear. But in any case we cant do anything about it. Banning women from wearing these face coverings would be just as regressive as forcing them to. What we oughtta do, and what we CAN do is make it clear to them that in Canada its their choice. And I think most of them understand that pretty well because I very rarely see muslim women wearing these outfits.

Actually we are going to do something about it...

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I'm not going topless! Women have that right, as they have the right to dress scantily or not. And I would wager that some women love the attention going topless/dressing scantily gives them. It's a choice.

And fyi, ]women have been known to gaze at men, too. It works both ways.

It's a choice, as long as they're not covering their faces, right? That choice is off limits because you don't like it.

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From my perspective, nobody should be able to prevent the federal government from determining the identity of a citizen. It should be illegal to do so in my view.

But one would have to assume that by the time potential citizens are taking the silly symbolic oath they have already been carefully identified and screened right?

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Guest American Woman

I know a hell of a lot more about society and culture than you.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: times infinity.

I suppose you know a hell of a lot more about being a woman, too.

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I know a hell of a lot more about society and culture than you.

interestingly there was a recent study done with western women who wore a veil for the first time..they found they felt much less objectified and safer as men no longer stared at them...

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Guest American Woman

It's a choice, as long as they're not covering their faces, right? That choice is off limits because you don't like it.

Nooooooooo. The choice isn't off limits because I don't like it; it's off limits because it interferes with the citizenship oath requirements.

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interestingly there was a recent study done with western women who wore a veil for the first time..they found they felt much less objectified and safer as men no longer stared at them...

okay lets see that

btw they werent culturally forced to wear it were they

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Actually we are going to do something about it...

Not really. We are going to ban it for 5 minutes :lol: And probably only until the first charter challenge hits the courts.

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: times infinity.

I suppose you know a hell of a lot more about being a woman, too.

I don't know about being woman, but I know a hell of a lot about the way gender is handled in our society than you. This much is obvious.

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Guest American Woman

interestingly there was a recent study done with western women who wore a veil for the first time..they found they felt much less objectified and safer as men no longer stared at them...

Yeah, I'm sure most women hate being started at. I'm sure most women try their darnedest to look as unattractive as possible so as not to attract attention from men.

<_<

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Guest American Woman

I don't know about being woman, but I know a hell of a lot about the way gender is handled in our society than you. This much is obvious.

Yeah. Real obvious.

:rolleyes:

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I don't know about being woman, but I know a hell of a lot about the way gender is handled in our society than you. This much is obvious.

So much for "not telling"..

:D

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okay lets see that

btw they werent culturally forced to wear it were they

show me the claim you keep repeating that all veil wearers are forced to them...

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the cbc liberals in the comment section think this is good so why not the MLW libs?

Because some of the MLW "libs" are Rabble refugee leftists...

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the cbc liberals in the comment section think this is good so why not the MLW libs?

because the cbc liberals are on the road to extinction...

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