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wow. just wow.

how many muslims do you know?

Islam means submission. You must live your life according to all the complexities of the Koran, and the numerous rules contained therein. You don't think it's oppressive to have to stop whatever you're doing five times a day to go through some dumb prayer ritual? When you put that together with obligatory ritual bathing and all the food requirements and other things your entire daily existence can be governed by the variety of religious nonsense you're supposed to obey. And that's without regard to the nonsense women have to put up with. I'd call walking around covered in a big black sheet all day no matter how hot it is quite oppressive. In fact, I've heard it described that way.

Want to bug a Muslim? Have your friendly dog put its paws on him. Oh boy! He's now go to go take a shower, then wash his clothes three times. Ridiculous but there you have it. Oppressed by an all-present religious obligation.

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just like in christianity, islam has several sects and sub-sects. for example: sunni, shia, wahabi, islmaili, bohris etc. and within these sects, for example, sunnnis, there are hanafi, sha'afi, hanbali, maliki etc. each of these groups have beliefs and interpretations that do not necessarily match with the others.

for example: are muslim women in lebanon, turkey, palestine, egypt, morocco, jordon, indonesia, china required (or forced) to wear the hejab (head cover)? no.

Well, they can risk being beaten for not doing so. And we'll see how long they're even legally allowed to with the new Islamic governments taking over.

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and covering the face? that's practiced only in a few countries. majority of muslim women in majority of muslim countries do not cover their faces. it's something that came from wahabism and if you ask most muslims, they do not agree with it.

Yet Muslim societies are moving in that direction, and have been moving for some years now.

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So a bit like the Old Testament, then. A cracking work of fiction.

Except that we no longer pay any attention to our silly book, while they still think theirs is the literal word of God.

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Not that long ago really...

It proves that religious whackos are not just found in any one religion.

The Waco group was more of a cult than a religion. It certainly wasn't part of any mainstream sect.

The difference is that they used to be able to get away with it. I have no idea how many KKK there were compared to now. I'm sure lots died off and they aren't being indoctrinated into that religious bigotry and violence as children as much any more.

They "got away with it" in a country torn apart by war, but they didn't get away with it for long. They are still being indoctrinated into religious and racial bigotry, they aren't a 'kind and gentle' group, but they aren't going around targeting and killing innocent people; and the government sure isn't making allowances for their religious beliefs in society - or, per the other thread, the classroom.

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funny how we're supposed to be tolerant to a culture that isn't tolerant to ours

Muslims are racist and bigots ..more so than I

Edited by olp1fan

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Not that long ago really...

Eighteen years. Yes it is.

It proves that religious whackos are not just found in any one religion.

Which church did he represent, again?

The difference is that they used to be able to get away with it. I have no idea how many KKK there were compared to now. I'm sure lots died off and they aren't being indoctrinated into that religious bigotry and violence as children as much any more.

You obviously know NOTHING about the history of the KKK but felt you could use it as an example. Sort of like Hedy Fry...

:D

1920: About 5-6 million members

2000: About 5000 members.

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Pretty much, yes.

There's really no point in continuing this conversation, if one can even call it that. Have a crappy holiday.

I cannot fathom that you'd personalize a discussion with a screen name to this extent. Yes, AW is a real person but you know each other by screen names. You take this far too seriously.

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but their entire culture IS oppressive and intolerant .. even the muslim culture in canada

You're saying that every single Muslim in Canada is oppressive and intolerant?

not them per se but their beliefs yes

I multi-quoted these posts for a reason.

It seems that some people thing they are expressing an enlightened attitude by refraining from obvious generalizations. That is a serious mistake. If a group of people is at war with society, it is not necessary for all members of that group to take overt acts or even be at war for us to do something about the problem. Those that are with us can easily show their true colors. Those that hate us should be dealt with accordingly. If the cause of the hatred cannot be readily addressed without changing the nature of our society, the problems need to be dealt with in a forceful and effective manner.

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So a bit like the Old Testament, then. A cracking work of fiction.

And what about the parts of the Old Testament that decree compassion for the stranger at the gate? The parts that decree fair weights and measures for all? The parts that decree fair treatment of the handicapped? Is that fiction too?

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And what about the parts of the Old Testament that decree compassion for the stranger at the gate? The parts that decree fair weights and measures for all? The parts that decree fair treatment of the handicapped? Is that fiction too?

Are those before or after the bits about dashing babies' brains out, selling your children into slavery or stoning people for wearing cotton-poly blends?

Edited by Black Dog

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You don't think it's oppressive to have to stop whatever you're doing five times a day to go through some dumb prayer ritual? When you put that together with obligatory ritual bathing and all the food requirements and other things your entire daily existence can be governed by the variety of religious nonsense you're supposed to obey. And that's without regard to the nonsense women have to put up with. I'd call walking around covered in a big black sheet all day no matter how hot it is quite oppressive. In fact, I've heard it described that way.

don't forget to mention the ultra orthodox jews or christians who have strict traditions as well.

you're painting with one stroke and seem to be unable to grasp that there are so many different types of muslims out there who practice the religion in different ways. this is called stereotyping and ignorance.

Want to bug a Muslim? Have your friendly dog put its paws on him. Oh boy! He's now go to go take a shower, then wash his clothes three times. Ridiculous but there you have it. Oppressed by an all-present religious obligation.

what about all the traditions and customs surrounding kosher food? what about pork and jews? oh boy scotty!

why are you so mad about the constraints in only 1 religion when it happens in your religion and other religions as well? why do you constantly stereotype when there are so many different muslims out there who practice their religion and customs differently?

Edited by bud

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Are those before or after the bits about dashing babies' brains out, selling your children into slavery or stoning people for wearing cotton-poly blends?

Do you mean perhaps the Koran, or Chretien's Red Book?

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