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In the real world employees are using more Androids and iPhones than BBY for email.

I highly doubt that sending an email through my phone is that much more/less secure than from my computer.

There is also the matter of mobile banking.

Once again, I don't know but I highly doubt that my phone is any more or less secure doing it than if I continued to use my BBY or if I used my laptop.

IOW, I suspect that BBY claims have little value in a world where security seems to be good enough and people are going to use their devices for what they want anyway.

This is why RIM is not going to be around much longer - they cannot rely on the paranoid sky-is-falling crowd to buy their phones in sufficient numbers. Especially since BBY gives the information to any government that asks.

These crazies don't like that at all. :D

You don't have to ask Apple for the back door. It was already there, hence no beefs about other platforms in other countries like Saudi Arabia and UAE. They can already monitor all that.

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Not sure if it has been mentioned but Android OS is not as vulnerable to being hacked or infected by viruses as Windows.

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Not sure if it has been mentioned but Android OS is not as vulnerable to being hacked or infected by viruses as Windows.

And you can also download anti-virus apps to help out.

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You don't have to ask Apple for the back door. It was already there, hence no beefs about other platforms in other countries like Saudi Arabia and UAE. They can already monitor all that.

I'm not worried about that.

I'm not paranoid about these things like you are.

I doubt any emails I send would be of any interest to the Canadian or US governments never mind being of any interest to SA or UAE.

In fact, my emails are rarely of any interest to the recipients themselves. :D

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And you can also download anti-virus apps to help out.

I have read that such programs are a waste of time on an android device, and are not even needed. Can't vouch for the accuracy of that information though.

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I have read that such programs are a waste of time on an android device, and are not even needed. Can't vouch for the accuracy of that information though.

Nor can I but it was free. :blink:

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Android = Linux = thumbs up

Surely it's obvious that Linux isn't for everyone.

I installed Linux on a netbook I had because it was supposed to be better.

Eventually, I formatted the hard drive and installed Windows 7 because at the end of the day, I just want the thing to work hassle-free. It's great that Linux is completely customizable and everything is open source, but the number of headaches I had with quirky little issues made it a complete hassle to use day-to-day.

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Surely it's obvious that Linux isn't for everyone.

I installed Linux on a netbook I had because it was supposed to be better.

Eventually, I formatted the hard drive and installed Windows 7 because at the end of the day, I just want the thing to work hassle-free. It's great that Linux is completely customizable and everything is open source, but the number of headaches I had with quirky little issues made it a complete hassle to use day-to-day.

I'll be on record that I love Android but it does make you think a little to enjoy what it offers.

I have a gmail and a hotmail. Obviously my gmail is my primary e-mail and I use it for interactions with family, friends and the spam I get on my gmail, I usually don't mind.

My hotmail on the other hand I've had since 1997 and I get spam constantly. Regardless I downloaded the app so I can occasionally check for the stuff I find worthwhile in the mountains of spam I don't want. I didn't want any notifications so I turned that feature off. Or I thought I did. :unsure:

I kept getting the audio notification sound for a text message, I pick up the phone. . . nothing. I'm thinking my phone is screwed up because I would get random notification without anything to show for it.

Well I do believe it's because of the hotmail app. It's still notifying me of e-mails through an audio notification but nothing else and I can't seem to turn that feature off. So I uninstalled the app and I'm praying that was the problem.

But again that's the app and not the phone, the beauty of this Android system is you can play with it constantly and the experience won't get dull.

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I have "none of the above"; an iPhone 4s.

That's 25% Samsung anyways.

Apple doesn't invent or create, it copies and claims to innovate, has someone else do everything other than software and slaps "Revolutionary" on it to charge anywhere from 50-300% more.

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That's 25% Samsung anyways.

Apple doesn't invent or create, it copies and claims to innovate, has someone else do everything other than software and slaps "Revolutionary" on it to charge anywhere from 50-300% more.

And if you're able to sell more products than them, they sue you. :lol:

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Surely it's obvious that Linux isn't for everyone.

I installed Linux on a netbook I had because it was supposed to be better.

Eventually, I formatted the hard drive and installed Windows 7 because at the end of the day, I just want the thing to work hassle-free. It's great that Linux is completely customizable and everything is open source, but the number of headaches I had with quirky little issues made it a complete hassle to use day-to-day.

Oh ya, I get that. That was just a light-hearted, cheerleading post from me. I don't even own a smartphone. :)

Linux is a pain. But that's why I enjoy it. The elitists who insult you when you ask for help with something are annoying though. I am not all that savvy, and I just manage to figure out what I need to to get by.

What distro were you running?

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What distro were you running?

Honestly, I can't even remember now. I do remember that I liked the way it looked, felt, and functioned. However, I had this niggling issue with shutdown not working after launching openoffice during a session. Browsing the forums revealed that this was a problem that nobody had a solution for at the time. Since I use office constantly, this just wasn't going to work for me.

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Honestly, I can't even remember now. I do remember that I liked the way it looked, felt, and functioned. However, I had this niggling issue with shutdown not working after launching openoffice during a session.

Yeah, if Linux distros were cars, I wouldn't want to drive one.

Over the last year or so, though, things seems a lot less buggy in the bigger distros (Ubuntu, Mint, OpenSuse, Fedora etc). I am using Mint right now (because it seems to just work better with my current hardware) and I have no issues whatsoever. I dual-boot with Windows though. So, I always have a safety if I screw something up.

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And if you're able to sell more products than them, they sue you. :lol:

We had Apple junk... thing costed 2 computers over it's lifetime. They were sued during this products lifetime for knowingly selling shoddy hardware. It's a wonder this company still exists. They make their products ready to fail so you'll buy a new one if you are one of the faithful... so many iphones and ipads with broken screens...

Guess who makes their fabled "retina" display?

... Samsung.

But, the worst part about Apple is their fans. It makes more sense after you realize it's a religious decision and not a technological one. Trying to get Apple fans to quantify why their product is better can be funny because they can't. All marketing mumbo jumbo. "more intuitive" "just works" "does what I want it to" ...

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Yeah, if Linux distros were cars, I wouldn't want to drive one.

Over the last year or so, though, things seems a lot less buggy in the bigger distros (Ubuntu, Mint, OpenSuse, Fedora etc). I am using Mint right now (because it seems to just work better with my current hardware) and I have no issues whatsoever. I dual-boot with Windows though. So, I always have a safety if I screw something up.

I use Mint, and I much prefer KDE over Gnome.

Problem I have is that I like to game and it's just easier to run games on the native system they were designed for (Windows).

I've used quite a few different distros but, I'm no expert at the OS. I can just read tutorial docs when I need to :D

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Guess who makes their fabled "retina" display?

... Samsung.

The worst part about Apple is their fans. It makes more sense after you realize it's a religious decision and not a technological one. Trying to get Apple fans to quantify why their product is better can be funny because they can't. All marketing mumbo jumbo. "more intuitive" "just works" "does what I want it to" ...

But that's just it isn't it?

Why do we have to quantify why we pay the premium?

It's a free market.

Apple users are wealthier than Android users and perhaps we put a value on our time.

I know I do so when I want it to "just work" I pay for what I want.

My BIL, OTOH, has an Android work phone and he would love to go back to the iPhone.

I'm sure he could quantify his Apple crush with pivot tables because he's a MS Excel expert (IOW, he's not much of an Apple fan and he loves the Windows phone too).

Why do "we" have to justify anything to "you?"

Why can't "we" just like a product based on our experience with it?

When a smartphone costs less than 0.003% of ones' household income what does it matter that it costs a couple hundred bucks more than Galaxy?

BFD.

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Yeah, if Linux distros were cars, I wouldn't want to drive one.

Over the last year or so, though, things seems a lot less buggy in the bigger distros (Ubuntu, Mint, OpenSuse, Fedora etc). I am using Mint right now (because it seems to just work better with my current hardware) and I have no issues whatsoever. I dual-boot with Windows though. So, I always have a safety if I screw something up.

For the record, I was definitely using Ubuntu. I just forget what version.

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But that's just it isn't it?

Why do we have to quantify why we pay the premium?

It's a free market.

Yep, fools are easily parted with their money. Nothing new.

Why do "we" have to justify anything to "you?"

Because, the faithful like yourself come into discussions like this one and preach the Apple tune.

Quantify and Justify beeeeyotch!

Apple users are wealthier than Android users and perhaps we put a value on our time.

I know I do so when I want it to "just work" I pay for what I want.

I've used Apple products and they are no more reliable. Apple users are just embarassed to admit when their product fails... And when they do fail they don't understand why and blame you, the IT guy at the time (I worked my way through Uni in tech support). I have enough experience with computers to know the reality. Hell, Apple purposefully stops supporting it's own software so you'll buy new. iCloud works on Windows XP but not Snow Leopard (lol Apple users).

Going on with the fools being parted with their money... Websites show Apple users more expensive options because they ignorantly equate price with quality. Going shopping for a deal on a vacation? Use Linux or Windows.

Another example is the MacBook Pro 15" vs 17"... $800 price difference... SAME INTERNAL COMPONENTS. $800 for 2" of screen... But a typical Apple user thinks they are getting a "better" computer.

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Yep, fools are easily parted with their money. Nothing new.

Because, the faithful like yourself come into discussions like this one and preach the Apple tune.

Quantify and Justify beeeeyotch!

How? If we were sitting together with an iPhone and an Android phone then I can see doing a comparison.

Otherwise, the best I can do is link to articles for which you will just claim that they are written by fanbois.

So what's the point?

I've used Apple products and they are no more reliable. Apple users are just embarassed to admit when their product fails... And when they do fail they don't understand why and blame you, the IT guy at the time (I worked my way through Uni in tech support). I have enough experience with computers to know the reality. Hell, Apple purposefully stops supporting it's own software so you'll buy new. iCloud works on Windows XP but not Snow Leopard (lol Apple users).

I only use the iPhone on a regular basis.

My wife uses the iPad and a Macbook (but she also uses a Win machine for testing purposes - she's a web designer).

I use Win/MS!t for work because I have no choice.

From my limited experience with Apple computers, if I could change I would.

But that's based on my own experience and the fact that I have to constantly reboot my Win7 piece of crap OS on a regular basis.

The wife has had to reboot her Mac too. But about 1/20th as often as I do.

Once again, that's just based on our experience.

Can't quantify it for you in an objective way. Just like you can't.

Going on with the fools being parted with their money... Websites show Apple users more expensive options because they ignorantly equate price with quality. Going shopping for a deal on a vacation? Use Linux or Windows.

I looked into that when that news story came out.

When I read the details it wasn't what you are suggesting.

When my wife and I travel we tend to select 4 or 5 star places.

That's how we actually shop so I prefer to see the "more expensive" options because those are the ones I actually want to look at.

IOW, I am getting what I want.

Another example is the MacBook Pro 15" vs 17"... $800 price difference... SAME INTERNAL COMPONENTS. $800 for 2" of screen... But a typical Apple user thinks they are getting a "better" computer.

Really? Have you polled "typical Apple" users?

"Quantify and Justify beeeeyotch!"

When my wife bought her Mac book I wasn't thrilled with the specs and price.

But then it runs the software that she wants/needs and she isn't wasting precious time rebooting her machine all the bloody time like I am so who am I to complain.

Besides, you have no idea how hot my wife is. :D She's worth the premium. ;)

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I use Mint, and I much prefer KDE over Gnome.

Problem I have is that I like to game and it's just easier to run games on the native system they were designed for (Windows).

I've used quite a few different distros but, I'm no expert at the OS. I can just read tutorial docs when I need to :D

KDE is definitely the slickest of the DE's. I am still using Mint 12, because for some reason it just works perfectly with my touchpad. I try to configure the synclient settings in other distros but can't get it right. And for some reason, I have the same issue with Mint 13. I am using the Cinnamon desktop, which I find to be alright. Gnome 3 turned a lot of people off I think. I kinda liked it.

I'm a sucker for trying out distros, and most of the time I have no idea what I'm doing. I've tried to use Arch more than once (cuz I wanted to be able to use something advanced) but too much heartache for me. And I need everything explained to me kindergarten style with cartoon pictures and all. I like the idea of Arch Linux, but I just cannot do it. I managed to get it running watching some youtube vids but then an update broke something and bah....

Linux is fun though. I mean, I have only been at it for a couple years, and I can't say I am really all that savvy, but I find myself learning things I never would have been interested in before. You have programming resources fresh out of the box. So, I started learning some python and c++ and java, all of which I suck at royally, but it's still fun.

There are some great newer lightweight distros that are very user friendly and can give new life to an older machine. ArchBang, CrunchBang, Macpup, Slitaz, Bodhi, Chakra, etc. I have a 12 year old pc here that was my brother's running Bodhi linux and it runs pretty well, and I think it looks pretty nice.

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I've used both. When it comes to tablet/phone/mobile devices Android kicks iOS's ass. Apple is so far behind Android when it comes technology. From what I hear of the rumours of iPhone 5 it doesn't compete with the Galaxy S3.

You can say that Apple has more apps but not by much. In fact I'd venture to say many of the apps that aren't made for both platforms are junk and/or games. If you make a decision to purchase what is essentially a mobile computer on the quality of games, I have to question your maturity.

As for the computers. I'll always be a fan of the OSX platform. It's very easy to use and doesn't require so much fiddling. But I've had a PC Lap Top computer that cost me $600 in 2008 and the only maintenance I've had in that span is replacing the Harddrive for $200. A starter Mac costs at least $1,500.

I've used my computer for graphic arts. Other than the different keyboard configuration the systems are rather similar. I actually prefer loading fonts on a PC.

In all honesty what makes a computer experience more enjoyable is the software you're using and the power of the computer.

As for Tablets, I find the whole tablet craze annoying. You have this phone you pay a lot of money for and when you get home you put it down and pick up a tablet that's essentially the same thing with a bigger screen. :rolleyes:

I guess if you have an iPhone with a tiny 3.5" screen you would love the 10" iPad screen.

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I've used Apple products and they are no more reliable. Apple users are just embarassed to admit when their product fails...

I've used both and even though I prefer PC products because that's what I've used more, I completely disagree that Apple products are no more reliable. Apple products are absolutely more reliable and easier to use. That's why they're so popular. Compatibility issues is primarily the reason they weren't bigger sooner. Most people just want a computer that works. Those that want to be able to tinker with things and get down to the nuts and bolts are a dying breed. It's like cars. Most people just want it to work and bring it to a dealer to get fixed when something goes wrong. The car enthusiasts who want to tinker with everything will always be around, but most people that use cars aren't that.

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I've used both. When it comes to tablet/phone/mobile devices Android kicks iOS's ass. Apple is so far behind Android when it comes technology. From what I hear of the rumours of iPhone 5 it doesn't compete with the Galaxy S3.

I believe the phrase is "Quantify and Justify beeeeyotch!" :lol:

I have played with my BIL's phone.

Sure, it's not a Galaxy S3 but it gives me an idea of what Android offers and I agree with him: I would rather use an Apple.

In fact, he is probably right and I would probably choose a Windows phone before an Android (Blackberry isn't last - it isn't even a consideration which is why RIM is dead).

You can say that Apple has more apps but not by much. In fact I'd venture to say many of the apps that aren't made for both platforms are junk and/or games. If you make a decision to purchase what is essentially a mobile computer on the quality of games, I have to question your maturity.

I agree. Apps don't matter that much.

For many people, customization doesn't matter that much either and yet this seems to give you the biggest hard on about Android.

Who cares? You do.

Most Apple users don't.

So why the big deal?

Why do you and MCC feel so compelled to prove that Android is better?

What does it matter to you if we "waste" our money?

You do realize that it is our money right? That we can choose how we spend it?

As for the computers. I'll always be a fan of the OSX platform. It's very easy to use and doesn't require so much fiddling. But I've had a PC Lap Top computer that cost me $600 in 2008 and the only maintenance I've had in that span is replacing the Harddrive for $200. A starter Mac costs at least $1,500.

I've used my computer for graphic arts. Other than the different keyboard configuration the systems are rather similar. I actually prefer loading fonts on a PC.

My wife does graphic design and websites for a living so I'll take her opinion over an anonymous Android fanboi any day. Besides, she's better in bed. :P

As for Tablets, I find the whole tablet craze annoying. You have this phone you pay a lot of money for and when you get home you put it down and pick up a tablet that's essentially the same thing with a bigger screen. :rolleyes:

I guess if you have an iPhone with a tiny 3.5" screen you would love the 10" iPad screen.

The wife and I have an iPad to go along with our iPhones, Macbook, and two Win PC laptops.

Each product is used differently.

The wife uses the iPad for her portfolio. It looks more professional to a client and is much easier to see on ten inches than on 3.5.

Also, when we bring the iPad to Greece or Maui or wherever it means we don't have to bring a laptop. We can still check on work if we must while uploading our photo's.

And I still prefer to watch a movie on the iPad than my iPhone.

Different strokes for different folks and all that.

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Who cares? You do.

Most Apple users don't.

So why the big deal?

Why do you and MCC feel so compelled to prove that Android is better?

What does it matter to you if we "waste" our money?

You do realize that it is our money right? That we can choose how we spend it?

Apple seems to care since they're currently in suing Samsung because they believe the Galaxy devices are ripped off. They say, they have a similar shape and have similar touch screen gestures as the iProducts. :rolleyes:

Android has 59% market share and Samsung is the world's largest mobile phone maker so they're beating Apple at their own game. If you can't win . . . SUE!!!

I started a thread about it with little interest. :huh:

Also I, like other Android users, find Apple Fan boys amusing and like to comment on them. The people that say they can't wait for the iPhone 5 when nothing proposed on the phone is terribly innovative or original is actually quite interesting.

You probably aren't one of those people. Why do you feel the need to defend them?

My wife does graphic design and websites for a living so I'll take her opinion over an anonymous Android fanboi any day. Besides, she's better in bed. :P

Believe it or not but I'm a print graphic designer too. I use both platforms almost daily. I'm probably more informed than most at the difference between Windows and Mac.

And the truth is, it's not that much. File management is nicer on a Mac but so what? The truth is the most important thing is the software you're using. For example Adobe Creative Suite.

But for a vast majority of people that use computers for personal use, the advantages aren't worth the increased price.

I'll ignore that bed comment. :(

The wife and I have an iPad to go along with our iPhones, Macbook, and two Win PC laptops.

Each product is used differently.

The wife uses the iPad for her portfolio. It looks more professional to a client and is much easier to see on ten inches than on 3.5.

Also, when we bring the iPad to Greece or Maui or wherever it means we don't have to bring a laptop. We can still check on work if we must while uploading our photo's.

And I still prefer to watch a movie on the iPad than my iPhone.

Different strokes for different folks and all that.

Tablets are useful, no question. Some of my best friends have actually switched from Blackberry and purchased a Galaxy Note. Which is an Android phone with a 5.5" screen and a stylus. They're known as Fablets. :unsure:

My one friend who's a contractor loves it because he can make notes on a photo by simply drawing, sort of like having a notebook.

I guess if you want to use it for professional purposes then great. For me 4.5" inches on a Galaxy phone is fine. My wife has a simple Kobo Tablet. It works for her but it's processing power is annoying, I prefer using my phone.

I just looked up the New iPad's speed and Ram. It's got 1gb of Ram but still only 1GHz speed. My phone is 1.5 GHz with the same RAM as the iPad.

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Also I, like other Android users, find Apple Fan boys amusing and like to comment on them. The people that say they can't wait for the iPhone 5 when nothing proposed on the phone is terribly innovative or original is actually quite interesting.

Apple's lawsuit brigade has nothing to do with whether "Apple Fan Boys" are justified in their love of the product. It's a matter of preference. For me personally, iThings seem a bit expensive for my needs, but there is no doubt that Apple builds durable, quality machines. May be overpriced, but if people feel it is worth it to them to pay that price, well that's their business.

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