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But doesn't citizenship imply some degree of support for your country's values and mission?

Which values?

The Liberal Canada values that the world came to know as 'multiculturalism'?

Or the now reigning Conservative Canada values that have the world scratching its head and the UN pursuing 'reviews' of Canada's human rights performance at home and abroad?

Which 'missions'? Harper's support for the US bombing Syria?

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The West is the centre of the world's enlightenment and far more advanced in its human rights and treatment of other nations than anywhere else. It is, in fact, the freest, kindest, most enlightened s

I agree that if big business is the only beneficiary of action then it should not be done.

I can't believe people posting and opposing attack on Bashir Assad's bases!!!!. Wake up people who are claiming to defend the defenseless. Responsible for chemical attacks or not, Bashir Assad is a pr

Notice how well that sort of thinking is going over in Quebec these days.

If modern politicians had any cajones, some of the separatists would be swinging from trees with ropes around their necks. Treason is treason.

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If modern politicians had any cajones, some of the separatists would be swinging from trees with ropes around their necks. Treason is treason.

Treason is trying to overthrow the government. That's not what Quebec separatists are about.

You don't support freedom of thought and expression?

However, I believe you misunderstood the post you responded to: The reference to Quebec was about the 'values charter'.

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If modern politicians had any cajones, some of the separatists would be swinging from trees with ropes around their necks. Treason is treason.

ROFLMAO

You know.... between your bright idea about hanging a million french Canadians and nuking Russia and China you really are a piece of work.

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I'm not talking to myself. I'm trying to figure out your pretzel like positions. You're not making any sense. I guess you're just on the side of the dictator, and against the Americans, no matter what the scenario. It's fairlly typical of the far leftwing.

This is your usual formulation, and is the usual reflexive boilerplate.

More to the point, you haven't read a single word I've said on the matter. Which of course is a valid choice to make...until and unless you start responding to posts that you haven't read.

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We have seen refugees spill over into neighboring countries and now the attacks are crossing the borders as well.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/19/world/meast/lebanon-beirut-explosion/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

The terrorists are fighting each other now ....

Beirut, Lebanon (CNN) -- In the latest spasm of violence in Lebanon over neighboring Syria's civil war, two suicide bombers blew themselves up outside the Iranian Embassy in southern Beirut on Tuesday.

At least 23 people died and 146 were injured, according to the Lebanese Health Ministry.

On Twitter, a radical Sunni group claimed responsibility for the attacks, saying similar assaults would continue until the Iran-supported Shiite group Hezbollah stops sending fighters to help Syrian government forces.

Since the target was specific with sending a message to Iran, methinks this may have the west's hand involved.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25189834

The UN's human rights chief has said an inquiry has produced evidence that war crimes were authorised in Syria at the "highest level", including by President Bashar al-Assad.

It is the first time the UN's human rights office has so directly implicated Mr Assad.

Commissioner Navi Pillay said her office held a list of others implicated by the inquiry.

The UN estimates more than 100,000 people have died in the conflict.

The UN's commission of inquiry into Syria has produced "massive evidence... [of] very serious crimes, war crimes, crimes against humanity," Ms Pillay said.

"The scale of viciousness of the abuses being perpetrated by elements on both sides almost defies belief," she said.

The evidence indicated responsibility "at the highest level of government, including the head of state", she added.

The inquiry has also previously reported it has evidence that rebel forces in Syria have been guilty of human rights abuses.

Both sides have done horrific things, but only Assad is going to get blamed for protecting his country from rebels which are made up of known terrorists organizations supported by the west through Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Libya.

Our own governments would not tolerate a rebel uprising, so why should Syria put up with it?

Our own governments have committed war crimes in supporting known terrorists. History is written by the winners and not who was right.

Both the government and the opposition National Coalition have said they will attend the conference, but the head of the Western-backed rebel Free Syrian Army has said it will continue fighting during the talks.

So the rebels won't participate in a cease fire for the duration of the talks. They rather talk with their bullets. But again, Assad seems to be the bad guy here. What a set up.

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So the rebels won't participate in a cease fire for the duration of the talks. They rather talk with their bullets. But again, Assad seems to be the bad guy here. What a set up.

Assad IS a bad guy, but Obamas Freedom Fighters are hardcore terrorist scumbags.

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Assad IS a bad guy, but Obamas Freedom Fighters are hardcore terrorist scumbags.

So which side does one support? Does the USA know they are directly involved in terrorist activities in another nation? I know, rhetorical question.

Once the UN brings the rebels up on charges, then I wont have much of an issue with Assad being held accountable as well. But we know that will be a circus show and he will suffer the same fate as Saddam and Gaddafi.

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The planet seems pretty content to allow the various parties kill each other off.

It would be fine with me, except not on a U.N. budget.
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Where and who does the UN get their money from? That's right, the money comes from your taxes! Now before you say otherwise, really think about it. Where DOES the UN get their money from to operate?

Exactly my point. I don't want to fund inter-tribal butchery based on ancient superstitions, grudges and rivalries.
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Interesting move..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25331241

A US embassy spokesman in Ankara said the decision was made after Islamist rebels seized bases belonging to the Western-backed Free Syrian Army (FSA).

Fighters from the Islamic Front, a new alliance of rebel groups, ousted FSA-aligned fighters from the Bab al-Hawa border crossing with Turkey last week.

Not sure what to make of this, but we now have 3 different groups fighting in Syria. The Free Syrian Army (aka rebels) backed by the west, we have the Syrian government forces, and now a 3rd group consisting of the known terrorist groups.

All three groups are fighting each other. This is also spilling over into Turkey where the FSA has been operating out of since the get go.

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/04/12/syrian-rebels-government-confirm-poison-gas-attack-in-central-village/?intcmp=latestnews

BEIRUT – Syrian government media and rebel forces said Saturday that poison gas had been used in a central village, injuring scores of people, while blaming each other for the attack.

The main Western-backed opposition group, the Syrian National Coalition, said the poison gas attack Friday hurt dozens of people in the village of Kfar Zeita in the central province of Hama. It did not say what type of gas was used.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported that people suffered from suffocation and breathing problems after the attack, apparently conducted during air raids that left heavy smoke over the area. It gave no further details.

State-run Syrian television blamed members of the Al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front for using chlorine gas at Kfar Zeita, killing two people and injuring more than 100.

How many times are we going to see this? The UN and other bodies could not determine 100% if the Syrian military used the chemical weapons on two occasions before. Only to fail to gather or have proper evidence in the first place.

Third time is the charm perhaps?

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-begins-weapons-delivery-to-syrian-rebels/2013/09/11/9fcf2ed8-1b0c-11e3-a628-7e6dde8f889d_story.html

Interesting thing. CNN is reporting that Obama is now going to send support to the Syrian Rebels. However, that support has already been given since Sept of 2013 and possibly long before that.

I recall when a certain member was constantly bashing me on this. Turns out I am more correct than even I thought.

http://politicslive.cnn.com/Event/Obama_spells_out_foreign_policy_vision?hpt=hp_t2

But then we get double speak when Obama lays it all out. Here is an obvious, wtf. This is the kind of thing to watch out for when you listen to these speeches. In many cases one line negates the previous one.

So is it 'our' problem or not?

"Today, according to self-described realists, conflicts in Syria or Ukraine or the Central African Republic are not ours to solve. Not surprisingly, after costly wars and continuing challenges at home, that view is shared by many Americans," says Obama, but there are others who say we "ignore these conflicts at our own peril."

Not our problem.

The latter, Obama says, would also say that failing to act in Syria or Ukraine "not only violates our conscience but invites escalating aggression in the future."

Our problem.

While both sides have their points, neither "fully speaks to the demands of the moment. It is absolutely true that in the 21st century, American isolationism is not an option."

Isolationism is different from non-interventionism.

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I don't think this is helping.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-airstrikes-hit-10-targets-in-syria-observers-say-1.2684190

Israeli air raids on several Syrian military facilities overnight killed at least 10 troops and destroyed an army command centre, an activist group said today.

The Syrian government has not commented on the airstrikes, which the Israeli military said hit nine targets inside Syria before dawn. The raids were in response to a cross-border attack the previous day that killed an Israeli civilian.

Does this help the rebels if Israel takes out military targets?

ntentionial attack

"Yesterday's attack was an unprovoked act of aggression against Israel, and a direct continuation to recent attacks that occurred in the area," said Lt. Col. Peter Lerner, a military spokesman. He said the military "will not tolerate any attempt to breach Israel's sovereignty and will act in order to safeguard the civilians of the state of Israel."

It was not immediately clear whether Syrian troops or one of the many rebel groups battling the government carried out Sunday's deadly attack in the Golan. But Lerner said it was clear that the attack was intentional. Israel has repeatedly said it holds the Syrian government responsible for any attacks emanating from its territory, regardless of who actually carries them out.

Israel won't tolerate attacks, but won't bother to find out who did the attacks in order to make their retaliation justified. They simply went after military targets and not the rebels.

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How about if everybody starts out with an understanding that indeed the US has been meddling in Syria for years, the US announced plans long ago to topple it's government, the US needs to prop up a Syrian government that isn't sympathetic to Russia, and the US has no interest in the least how many Syrian people die to accomplish all that?

Then we could go on to discuss the deatails and how we should all know these facts!

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