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I AM TALKING ABOUT 10 YEARS FROM NOW. Your idea to close the deficit is to never raise taxes again? Good luck with that. You do know cuts lead to less taken in, in taxes. Again you make no sense you don't understand anything you are saying. You are a know nothing. You have never posted one number, cited one paper, linked to one website. I AM NOT GOING TO TRUST YOUR GUT. Sorry you know nothing!

Cut the spending Obama has increased over the past four years and you're 2/3 of the way there, buddy.

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Cut the spending Obama has increased over the past four years and you're 2/3 of the way there, buddy.

Oh sure. Obama increased spending BY LESS THAN EVERY PRESIDENT SINCE REAGAN. But don't let the facts get in the way of your grandstanding.

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What spending? Want to name a program? More facts that don't exist. Great. It is like talking to a wall but I am sure the wall would make better points.

There is no spending. Obama increased spending by less than every single president over the last 30 years.

Obama's a socialist though. :lol:

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What spending? Want to name a program? More facts that don't exist. Great. It is like talking to a wall but I am sure the wall would make better points.

Cut:

$200 billion from defence

$20 billion from transportation

$10 billion from energy

$20 billion from Environment

$30 billion from education

$100 billion from health

$100 billion from medicare

$300 billion from social security

$20 billion from justice

Thats 800 billion.

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There is no spending. Obama increased spending by less than every single president over the last 30 years.

Obama's a socialist though. :lol:

Yes. $5 trillion dollars in new debt 3 years. What a spendthrift.

US government took 70 years to accumulate $10 trillion in debt. It took Obama just 3 years to add 50% to that number.

Way to echo those Dem talking points, though ;-)

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Yes. $5 trillion dollars in new debt 3 years. What a spendthrift.

US government took 70 years to accumulate $10 trillion in debt. It took Obama just 3 years to add 50% to that number.

Way to echo those Dem talking points, though ;-)

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Cut:

$200 billion from defence

$20 billion from transportation

$10 billion from energy

$20 billion from Environment

$30 billion from education

$100 billion from health

$100 billion from medicare

$300 billion from social security

$20 billion from justice

Thats 800 billion.

That isn't what I asked for. You said "Cut the spending Obama has increased over the past four years and you're 2/3 of the way there, buddy." So what spending.

BTW your numbers at that either of a crazy man or someone so misinformed they really think those numbers are possible. I will show you a few.

$20 billion from justice- Justice only has a budget of 25 Billion why not just get rid of the whole department if you are going to cut their budget by 75%.

$30 billion from education- Again here is the crazy. Education only has a 45 Billion dollar budget. I bet you don't even know what they do with that money or hows its loss would be felt.

$10 billion from energy- This is the amount the Energy Department Spends on inspecting Nuclear reactors, making sure they have a plan in place, and guarding them from terrorist attacks. Not to mention making sure those bombs the department of energy built are maintained. You want to cut it? You have no idea what you are talking about.

$20 billion from Environment- You do know the EPA which I assume you refer to here only has a budget of 8 billion. Here you are actually cutting more then the whole departments budget.

I know that was easy for you but THOSE NUMBERS MAKE NO SENSE!!

You have illustrated what Obama is dealing with. He is dealing with people as delusional as you are who come into meetings and ask him to cut more from departments that don't exist and to scarp programs that keep America safe. I am happy he says "thanks but no thanks" to those people because those people are crazy.

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Leaving aside any discussion of social conservatism, I'll give you 4 reasons:

(1) tax cuts for corporations and the rich.

Yes, Romney wants lower business tax rates, similar to the ones we have in Canada. :)

(2) big increase in military spending.

This I would agree with you on. I'm not in favour of a big increase in military spending either.

(3) both of those things will be paid for with the elimination of benefits and programs for regular Americans.

Not really. No benefits are being "eliminated." But they will have to be reformed, similar to the way Harper has increased the age of OAS benefits. That will have to be done for both Medicare and Social Security, as well as means testing which Romney has also proposed, so that wealthy individuals don't recieve the same benefits as people in lower income brackets. I'm assuming you're in favour of that too. Nothing's being eliminated though. You've received some bad information.

(4) a return to the cult-like devotion to deregulation that played a major role in destroying the economy in the first place.

Once again kimmy, it was the lowering of lending standards pushed by people like Obama, all in the guise of "helping" regular Americans that destroyed the economy.

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Yes. $5 trillion dollars in new debt 3 years. What a spendthrift.

Exactly. He's added more debt in just 3 years than Bush did in two full terms, yet Bush was terrible, but Obama needs to be re-elected. Tell me when you've figured out their logic! :lol:

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That isn't what I asked for. You said "Cut the spending Obama has increased over the past four years and you're 2/3 of the way there, buddy." So what spending.

BTW your numbers at that either of a crazy man or someone so misinformed they really think those numbers are possible. I will show you a few.

$20 billion from justice- Justice only has a budget of 25 Billion why not just get rid of the whole department if you are going to cut their budget by 75%.

$30 billion from education- Again here is the crazy. Education only has a 45 Billion dollar budget. I bet you don't even know what they do with that money or hows its loss would be felt.

$10 billion from energy- This is the amount the Energy Department Spends on inspecting Nuclear reactors, making sure they have a plan in place, and guarding them from terrorist attacks. Not to mention making sure those bombs the department of energy built are maintained. You want to cut it? You have no idea what you are talking about.

$20 billion from Environment- You do know the EPA which I assume you refer to here only has a budget of 8 billion. Here you are actually cutting more then the whole departments budget.

I know that was easy for you but THOSE NUMBERS MAKE NO SENSE!!

You have illustrated what Obama is dealing with. He is dealing with people as delusional as you are who come into meetings and ask him to cut more from departments that don't exist and to scarp programs that keep America safe. I am happy he says "thanks but no thanks" to those people because those people are crazy.

Justice is $58 billion.

Education is $106 billion.

Get your facts straight, Einstein.

And of course they make no sense to you. Why would spending less than what you take in make any sense to a socialist?

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Justice is $58 billion.

Education is $106 billion.

Get your facts straight, Einstein.

And of course they make no sense to you. Why would spending less than what you take in make any sense to a socialist?

OMG the Education Budget is 30 Billion dollars a YEAR it will increase this year to 50-70 a year this year when the ACA money dies off. WITH THE STIMULUS which Ends it had these monies added to it:

US$102 billion (2009)

US$51 billion (est. 2010)

US$23 billion (est. 2011)

US $19.4 billion (2012)

You see how this is the last year where the ACA kicks money into the department of education? Now it goes back to its budget with out the ACA kick in. You can try and inflate the numbers all you want with ACA but that money is ALREADY BEING CUT. So Obama is giving you just what you want and you hate him for it?

You are so misinformed it hurts my head.

So from your number 100 billion for education Obama just cut some 40 billion great. There you go better start stumping for him.

As for your Justice number well that is just a lie. Justice has a budget of 26 Billion a year. SO CITATION my lying friend.

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Joe Biden will tell you why Obama deserves another term!

Oh wait.

"America Is better off than we were 4 years ago, and if it weren't so hot, if it weren't so hot, I'd go into detail why I say that."

Biden: The gift that keeps on giving! :lol:

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4 years ago we were losing 750k jobs a month. Now we're not. We had 2 wars. Now we don't. We didn't know where Bin Laden was. Now we do. Health insurance rates were growing at a blistering pace. Now they're not. The DOW was at 6000. Now it's at 13,000. Are you better off now? You damn right you are

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4 years ago we were losing 750k jobs a month. Now we're not. We had 2 wars. Now we don't. We didn't know where Bin Laden was. Now we do. Health insurance rates were growing at a blistering pace. Now they're not. The DOW was at 6000. Now it's at 13,000. Are you better off now? You damn right you are

So what the huge amount of toxic debt was simply transferred from the private sector to government. So instead of a private sector credit crisis, we have a sovereign debt problem, soon to be crisis. Yay!

All Obama has done is kick the can down the road, inflate debt by 60% in three short years, increase dependency on a debt laden teetering government, and keep his own job.

He hasn't solved any of these problems.

Bin Laden was found because of enhanced interrogation techniques which Obama campaigned against. Then he spiked the ball and took all the credit.

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Bin Laden was found because of enhanced interrogation techniques which Obama campaigned against. Then he spiked the ball and took all the credit.

You live in a imaginary world Jerry. I can't even read your posts with out HUGE LIES popping out at me. We can't have a debate because you can't be truthful. So I wont really be able to respond you until you start backing up your statements because half of them are lies. So back this one up please now.

I think Chris Matthews said how I feel today.

The GOP are saying people shouldn't vote for Obama because they wanted

"To leave this country in hell and now claim it isn't heaven."

Obama stopped the fall off the cliff and now the GOP want to get mad at Obama because he didn't step off the cliff? No thank you.

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Obama stopped the fall off the cliff

This is a baldfaced lie. TARP stopped the fall off the cliff, and TARP was a GW Bush policy.

Now, please advise us all how enhanced interrogation did not lead to the killing of Bin Laden.

Enhanced interrogation led to the courier. The courier led to Bin Laden.

Gauntanamo bay, interrogation at the facility, killed Bin Laden. Barack Hussein Obama campaigned against enhanced interrogation and against Guantanamo, the very facility that led to Bin Laden.

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So, Kimmy, do you really believe that bureaucrats in Washington can "regulate" the US economy and ensure that people don't get involved in speculative bubbles?

You dont need to regulate the economy to avoid large asset bubbles you need to properly control the size of the money supply. Asset bubbles form when credit is too easy. It would have been pretty damn easy to avoid the realestate meltdown, simply by properly setting interest rates.

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All Obama has done is kick the can down the road, inflate debt by 60% in three short years, increase dependency on a debt laden teetering government, and keep his own job.

Thats all that any administration since Nixon has done, and thats exactly what the next president will do as well whether its Romney, Obama, or Rufus the stunt-bum. Like it or not that is THE PLAN. Finance the empire with debt and then inflate your way out of it. No government is going to change this, it will run its course.

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Thats all that any administration since Nixon has done, and thats exactly what the next president will do as well whether its Romney, Obama, or Rufus the stunt-bum. Like it or not that is THE PLAN. Finance the empire with debt and then inflate your way out of it. No government is going to change this, it will run its course.

But 60% increase in three years? No President has presided over such irresponsibility in the history of the country.

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But 60% increase in three years? No President has presided over such irresponsibility in the history of the country.

I know this is really tough for you to understand, but Obama increased spending LESS THAN ANY PRESIDENT IN THE LAST 30 YEARS. Stop lying.

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Ahhh another empty chair Obama. I get that there is an invisible Obama that only you can see that Eastwood talks to in chair. However to convince the rest of the world about evil he is you should base your arguments on fact instead of the invisible Obama in your delusions.

Maybe you are paying attention to a different President Obama?

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This is a baldfaced lie. TARP stopped the fall off the cliff, and TARP was a GW Bush policy.

Now, please advise us all how enhanced interrogation did not lead to the killing of Bin Laden.

Enhanced interrogation led to the courier. The courier led to Bin Laden.

Gauntanamo bay, interrogation at the facility, killed Bin Laden. Barack Hussein Obama campaigned against enhanced interrogation and against Guantanamo, the very facility that led to Bin Laden.

Nope sorry. The best you can say is that information that lead to the courier may have OR MAY NOT have been gotten under Enhanced interrogation. Just more lies from a liar eh?

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