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Just so we are clear on this hypothetical, it is impossible. A province CAN NOT delisted abortions with out being in violation of Canada Health Act and that province would then lose all Federal healthcare funding. It would be a horrible idea for any province.

I believe it was 1988 in which the supreme court of Canada ruled access to abortions are a part of the Charter. Have fun trying to change the charter right wing extremists.

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Sorry no you're totally wrong. I am advocating two tier health care. People who are able to pay can choose to pay if they want for better, faster service.

Oh great idea. Sell that to the public.

"I advocate a health care system where the poor get poorer and slower care than the rich."

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Oh great idea. Sell that to the public.

"I advocate a health care system where the poor get poorer and slower care than the rich."

NO not at all. I advocate that the people who can pay can better service while the people who cannot pay get the same service they do now. I have the ability to pay for health care but we are certainly not rich. Plus the idea of rich is totally subjective.

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NO not at all. I advocate that the people who can pay can better service while the people who cannot pay get the same service they do now. I have the ability to pay for health care but we are certainly not rich. Plus the idea of rich is totally subjective.

By Better service, you mean jump the queu.

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NO not at all. I advocate that the people who can pay can better service while the people who cannot pay get the same service they do now. I have the ability to pay for health care but we are certainly not rich. Plus the idea of rich is totally subjective.

What's the opposite of better?

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What's the opposite of better?

I don't see why you're so afraid of letting people pay for service that would be different then those who solely rely on taxes to pay. It doesn't make sense to me. This would cut the costs of the public funds needed to support the current health care system. Two tier should be welcomed and applauded. The public system would remain as it is today but their would be an option to pay out of pocket for further care that wouldn't be otherwise available in a timely fashion. It would make the lines much smaller and faster for everyone.

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We don't have two tier health care in Ontario. I wish we did but people go crazy when it's suggested because they think that the better doctors will work privately instead of publicly. Why not let the market decide what it will support?

people who are wiling to pay should get better health care the n those who can't or won't.

Sure I don't mind paying out of pocket for an eye exam. But I do have a problem with paying from my taxes for abortions and sex changes which are cosmetic/elective surgeries.

They Can....American clinics and hospitals will serve paying Canadians…………You can also have elective surgery, in a resort like, package deal, setting, in India………..

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They Can....American clinics and hospitals will serve paying Canadians…………You can also have elective surgery, in a resort like, package deal, setting, in India………..

Choice is great. Lets have more choice in our own country though. seems like socialists like choice when comes to abortion but would rather their be no choice when it comes to other things.

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This would cut the costs of the public funds needed to support the current health care system.

The United States pays more per capita to fund their healthcare system and it's not even two-tiered. You keep saying it would drive down costs when all of the research into it suggests otherwise.
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The United States pays more per capita to fund their healthcare system and it's not even two-tiered. You keep saying it would drive down costs when all of the research into it suggests otherwise.

Really? So having less people who would need to use the public paid services would result in higher costs? How?

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Really? So having less people who would need to use the public paid services would result in higher costs? How?

Because again, there's only one payer in the end. There is only one economy. There are only so many doctors and nurses. You're not really thinking it through.

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Because again, there's only one payer in the end. There is only one economy. There are only so many doctors and nurses. You're not really thinking it through.

We lose doctors and nurses by the every year to the US. because of the higher pay down there. This could help us keep some of them in Canada and stop the brain drain.

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We lose doctors and nurses by the every year to the US. because of the higher pay down there. This could help us keep some of them in Canada and stop the brain drain.

No, not really. The number that leave has been steadily decreasing, and there's no evidence that two tiered system would result in A ) higher pay, B ) more professionals, or C ) better results for the system overall.

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No, not really. The number that leave has been steadily decreasing, and there's no evidence that two tiered system would result in A ) higher pay, B ) more professionals, or C ) better results for the system overall.

It just makes sense. More choice equals more doctors equals less money needed to go to the wasteful universal system. Canada spends $150 billion on health care and rising by 6% each year. We need to stem that growth. Adding more paid services would reduce the strain on the universal system. We have to make decisions that will benefit Canada.

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Any women could still have an abortion but they would be responsible for paying or finding some group to pay for it.

Vasectomies should be not covered either. No elective cosmetic procedures should be covered.

I'd be fine with paying for your vasectomy, wish I could have paid for your fathers, lol j/k couldn't resist

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It just makes sense. More choice equals more doctors equals less money needed to go to the wasteful universal system.

Private systems generally have higher overhead and more costs because of paperwork that is involved. The province of Manitoba spends less than 4% of its health budget on administration.

Canada spends $150 billion on health care and rising by 6% each year.

It isn't rising by 6% a year anymore.

We need to stem that growth.

Private systems have faster growth in cost.

Adding more paid services would reduce the strain on the universal system. We have to make decisions that will benefit Canada.

That isn't necessarily the case.

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We lose doctors and nurses by the every year to the US. because of the higher pay down there.

Err....no

We have a net gain of Docs coming back. Damn those facts huh?

Not to mention more Docs than ever before.

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New Brunswick does not pay. PEI pays, but has no clinics. Women have to travel to New Brunswick or Nova Scotia to have them.

New Brunswick does pay for abortions. You can must be first get the approval of 2 doctors but they pay. Again the supreme court ruled in 88 that the right to and access to an abortion is a charter right so to not offer abortions would get your health act funds taken away.

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