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I truly wish that Canada were more nationalistic. This may be going to far but it is interesting to think about. I think about it often when I'm alone. This is probably characterized as Ultra nationalism but still fun to think about if it were real able to happen, who knows maybe we can aspire tpo this level of perfection one day.

I love war history and WWII in general and Nazi Germany in particular maybe this is where it comes from. I loved all the endless neat rows of soldiers.

Massive build up of our military until 2 million strong.

Massive military parades down Yonge Street with the PM standing in a balcony saluting the crowd and his soldiers.

Force a tropical nation to become part of Canada as another province, station a massive base there.

A Canada first policy. Canada for Canadians policies.

Adopt Christianity as Canada's official religion. A safe haven for Christians around the world. Accept only Christians as immigrants maybe expel all others.

Crack down violently to Islam terror in Canada and deport with no right to appeal to offenders

Limit international trade, withdraw from UN and NATO

Anyone ever think about this?

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I truly wish that Canada were more nationalistic. This may be going to far but it is interesting to think about. I think about it often when I'm alone. This is probably characterized as Ultra nationalism but still fun to think about if it were real able to happen, who knows maybe we can aspire tpo this level of perfection one day.

I love war history and WWII in general and Nazi Germany in particular maybe this is where it comes from. I loved all the endless neat rows of soldiers.

Massive build up of our military until 2 million strong.

Massive military parades down Yonge Street with the PM standing in a balcony saluting the crowd and his soldiers.

Force a tropical nation to become part of Canada as another province, station a massive base there.

A Canada first policy. Canada for Canadians policies.

Adopt Christianity as Canada's official religion. A safe haven for Christians around the world. Accept only Christians as immigrants maybe expel all others.

Crack down violently to Islam terror in Canada and deport with no right to appeal to offenders

Limit international trade, withdraw from UN and NATO

Anyone ever think about this?

Become the next U.S? No thanks.

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Become the next U.S? No thanks.

Mr. Canada's post that you quoted is not particularly close to a description of the US, so your response doesn't make much sense.

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Mr C that sounds a lot more like fascism than nationalism. You scare me.

I do wish Canada had more nationalistic pride, but that has nothing to do with military fetishes or religion. I wish citizens had more knowledge of this country's history, I wish dual-citizenship was not allowed for adults, I wish citizenship was a more exclusive club and only for those who pledge loyalty to Canada and no other country.

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I wish dual-citizenship was not allowed for adults, I wish citizenship was a more exclusive club and only for those who pledge loyalty to Canada and no other country.

Care to elaborate on this? Why should someone not be allowed to be a citizen of both the US and Canada, for example?

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Care to elaborate on this? Why should someone not be allowed to be a citizen of both the US and Canada, for example?

1. If 2 countries are at war or otherwise in some kind of conflict with each other, and a person has citizenship of these 2 countries, it creates a major conflict of interest. Should a person be able to vote in elections for two different countries? How far can one trust ie: an Afghan-Canadian dual-citizen working within the Canadian government, especially if they still travel back and forth from each country? If Canada went to war and had to invade ie: Iran, and the military draft needed to put into effect in Canada, would an Iranian-Canadian dual-citizen fight against Iran for us? Would they run to Iran and fight against us for them?

2. There are situations where dual-citizens can live in one country almost exclusively, but also reap some of the rights and benefits of having citizenship from the other country when they actually have little/no desire or intent of actually residing in that country.

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1. If 2 countries are at war or otherwise in some kind of conflict with each other, and a person has citizenship of these 2 countries, it creates a major conflict of interest. Should a person be able to vote in elections for two different countries? How far can one trust ie: an Afghan-Canadian dual-citizen working within the Canadian government, especially if they still travel back and forth from each country? If Canada went to war and had to invade ie: Iran, and the military draft needed to put into effect in Canada, would an Iranian-Canadian dual-citizen fight against Iran for us? Would they run to Iran and fight against us for them?

Sounds like a good reason to restrict dual citizenship with countries that we are in conflict with. Not much of a reason to restrict dual citizenship with countries that are our friends, however (which is the majority of dual citizens).

2. There are situations where dual-citizens can live in one country almost exclusively, but also reap some of the rights and benefits of having citizenship from the other country when they actually have little/no desire or intent of actually residing in that country.

This is something that should be addressed in terms of the tax code and residency rules. If someone wants to benefit from Canadian healthcare and social programs (for example), they should be paying taxes on any income they make to Canada, barring any tax treaties that their country may have with Canada.

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I truly wish that Canada were more nationalistic. This may be going to far but it is interesting to think about. I think about it often when I'm alone. This is probably characterized as Ultra nationalism but still fun to think about if it were real able to happen, who knows maybe we can aspire tpo this level of perfection one day.

I love war history and WWII in general and Nazi Germany in particular maybe this is where it comes from. I loved all the endless neat rows of soldiers.

Massive build up of our military until 2 million strong.

Massive military parades down Yonge Street with the PM standing in a balcony saluting the crowd and his soldiers.

Force a tropical nation to become part of Canada as another province, station a massive base there.

A Canada first policy. Canada for Canadians policies.

Adopt Christianity as Canada's official religion. A safe haven for Christians around the world. Accept only Christians as immigrants maybe expel all others.

Crack down violently to Islam terror in Canada and deport with no right to appeal to offenders

Limit international trade, withdraw from UN and NATO

Anyone ever think about this?

Sure. Your ideas would find ample support on Stormfront and other neo-Nazi sites. Perhaps you'd be more comfortable at one of them?

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I wish people looked on the positive side of what geography and biology has given the human race, and didn't look at nationalism as they do now - as a warped idea of tribalism. Having lived in France and Canada, I can see that Canada has less of a problem with people asking "What is a Canadian ?" because a Canadian is somebody who is a citizen, not somebody with a certain name or pedigree.

Nationalism is mainly evoked by people who want you to do something for them, in my experience.

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Sounds like a good reason to restrict dual citizenship with countries that we are in conflict with. Not much of a reason to restrict dual citizenship with countries that are our friends, however (which is the majority of dual citizens).

Well, Canadians live an average of 80 years. International relations will change drastically throughout that time.

Not much of a reason to restrict dual citizenship with countries that are our friends, however (which is the majority of dual citizens).

Stats to back this claim?

This is something that should be addressed in terms of the tax code and residency rules. If someone wants to benefit from Canadian healthcare and social programs (for example), they should be paying taxes on any income they make to Canada, barring any tax treaties that their country may have with Canada.

Yes some of it can be, mostly social program benefits. But I'm not talking about just social benefits, but legal rights as well. If you get caught in a legal mess abroad Canada may have a duty to bail you out (ie: Omar Khadr). Canada spends large sums of money bailing people out in times of foreign crises (ie: 2006 Lebanon War, Canada sends spends large sums of money deploying the military to bring back Lebanese-Canadians - many of whom have no intention of living in Canada, then many of these people return to Lebanon after the war).

Maybe most of these issues can be dealt with through residency rules? (ie: the law stating that if you've been out of the country for 5 years+ you can't vote in federal elections)

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Sure. Your ideas would find ample support on Stormfront and other neo-Nazi sites. Perhaps you'd be more comfortable at one of them?

I'm not a racist or a neo nazi. I don't think my half black wife and mixed race children would go over well at all...lol.

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I'm not a racist or a neo nazi. I don't think my half black wife and mixed race children would go over well at all...lol.

You're not a racist, but you fetishize Nazis?

In other words, you're just a crazy person.

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You're not a racist, but you fetishize Nazis?

In other words, you're just a crazy person.

Not nazi's just the formations and grand spectacles they provided. Just as the Soviets did etc. It looks cool and does a lot to promote a sense of pride among the citizens.

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Not nazi's just the formations and grand spectacles they provided. Just as the Soviets did etc. It looks cool and does a lot to promote a sense of pride among the citizens.

Yup, those are the societies we need to emulate. Murderous, oppressive, dictatorial ones. Hey, why not change the uniform of the Canadian Forces to emulate that of the SS? Those leather coats are pretty badass. Maybe get Hugo Boss to design them, just like they did the Nazis. rolleyes.gif

Funny thing, though: the fascist spectacle thing is actually the least objectionable/insane part of your OP.

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excessive nationalism/patriotism is a mental health issue equivalent to mental retardation...it's a childish anachronism that should have been left behind in the 20th century...

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Not nazi's just the formations and grand spectacles they provided. Just as the Soviets did etc. It looks cool and does a lot to promote a sense of pride among the citizens.

I won't argue that trained killers marching with death machines looks cool. The humanitarian in me wishes it didn't, but the testosterone in me begs to differ.

However, to promote and garner any sort of nationalistic pride from said trained killers and death machines is sick beyond imagination. A major problem in the west, and i'd imagine most other countries, is that a good deal of national pride comes from what a country has achieved during times of war, when national pride should rather be taken from what a country has done between wars in times of peace.

Mr. C, the ape-instincts of the 5-year old child inside you (that we all have) are winning a struggle against your sense of reason and compassion. For the last 2500+ years humans have progressively fought against many of our anti-social base animal instincts using reason and compassion, leading to achievements such as the Magna Carta, various Bill of Rights documents etc. This is called becoming more "civilized". If you wish to forgo this process and go with the 5-year-old inside you seen in the OP, I hear Beijing is nice this time of year.

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Become the next U.S? No thanks.

Do you know anything about the U.S.? Because if you think the opening post describes the U.S., the answer would have to be no.

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I won't argue that trained killers marching with death machines looks cool. The humanitarian in me wishes it didn't, but the testosterone in me begs to differ.

However, to promote and garner any sort of nationalistic pride from said trained killers and death machines is sick beyond imagination. A major problem in the west, and i'd imagine most other countries, is that a good deal of national pride comes from what a country has achieved during times of war, when national pride should rather be taken from what a country has done between wars in times of peace.

Mr. C, the ape-instincts of the 5-year old child inside you (that we all have) are winning a struggle against your sense of reason and compassion. For the last 2500+ years humans have progressively fought against many of our anti-social base animal instincts using reason and compassion, leading to achievements such as the Magna Carta, various Bill of Rights documents etc. This is called becoming more "civilized". If you wish to forgo this process and go with the 5-year-old inside you seen in the OP, I hear Beijing is nice this time of year.

I recall not long ago we took pride in our peace keeping accomplishments that has been shunted to the side by the Harper and the cpc with a campaign to glamorize our warfare past, aggression/killing apparently is so much more glamorous and fun for the right than peaceful pursuits

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I recall not long ago we took pride in our peace keeping accomplishments that has been shunted to the side by the Harper and the cpc with a campaign to glamorize our warfare past, aggression/killing apparently is so much more glamorous and fun for the right than peaceful pursuits

Peaceful pursuits is making us the laughing stock of the world and got us booted from the UN security groups. What the world respects is military power. Sorry to burst your bubble but it's true. The stronger your military is the more respect you get.

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I'm not a racist or a neo nazi. I don't think my half black wife and mixed race children would go over well at all...lol.

You should get your wife to post here.

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Peaceful pursuits is making us the laughing stock of the world and got us booted from the UN security groups. What the world respects is military power. Sorry to burst your bubble but it's true. The stronger your military is the more respect you get.

sorry no we got booted and lost respect at the UN because we turned our backs on peaceful pursuits and unbiased peace efforts...really you should try read up more on current events...

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excessive nationalism/patriotism is a mental health issue equivalent to mental retardation...it's a childish anachronism that should have been left behind in the 20th century...

For the record, I agree with the vein that your post comes from, but not its tone or aggression.

Let's consider for a minute though that Mr. Canada doesn't necessarily mean ultra-nationalistic Nazi-like things, but something more benign. Let's say by nationalism he means having a sense of commitment and loyalty to your country (and community) and taking pride in the nation that we've built together. Perhaps a lot of that is dying today and maybe there's something to be said for that kind of loyalty to each other and our collective welfare. Let's think about it that way for a minute.

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