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In truth the Conservatives are scared. The next election is too far away and therefore its outcome cannot be accurately predicted. Conservative numbers are trending down along with the NDP while the Liberals are trending upward. This attack ad recognizes the direct political threat that Trudeau represents. There is concern within the ranks that leader approval ratings will have high impact on voter turnout. That spells distinct trouble for Harper.

Trudeau needs to energize the apathetic voter in order to actually defeat the Harper government. There is a great deal of speculation as to the demographic with most folks suggesting an anti government sentiment is prevalent. If that is the case I would suggest that Trudeau needs to have the patience to rise above the temptations of petty politics. A leader that marginalizes partisan rhetoric could garnish much support over a short period of time. Since he is neither the government nor the opposition, so he can pick and choose which battles he fights with great care and slowly formulate policy based on popular not partisan support. Should he proceed carefully by the time the next policy convention takes place he will have established the level of popular support for each of his chosen policies. At that point, on the convention floor the party will have the opportunity to solidify policy that reflects a majority of Canadians views.

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In truth the Conservatives are scared. The next election is too far away and therefore its outcome cannot be accurately predicted. Conservative numbers are trending down along with the NDP while the Liberals are trending upward. This attack ad recognizes the direct political threat that Trudeau represents. There is concern within the ranks that leader approval ratings will have high impact on voter turnout. That spells distinct trouble for Harper.

Liberal voters such as yourself have sold this line about the last leaders of the Liberal party. Sorry you have cried wolf to many times to take this point seriously.

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Liberal voters such as yourself have sold this line about the last leaders of the Liberal party. Sorry you have cried wolf to many times to take this point seriously.

I am going to be a Liberal voter in the next election. My decision has already been made. It was based on my dislike of the current government. Harper sold his political soul to get power. From his opinions while involved in the NCC and in addition, the Alberta Firewall Letter and his connection to that, and every scandal since he has taken power, Harper has no support from me.

The point I was making was that in fact the government of Steven Harper has chosen to spend Conservative Party funds, which are in reality subsidized with government funds, in an attempt to prevent positive or favorable public opinion for Trudeau.

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I am going to be a Liberal voter in the next election. My decision has already been made. It was based on my dislike of the current government. Harper sold his political soul to get power. From his opinions while involved in the NCC and in addition, the Alberta Firewall Letter and his connection to that, and every scandal since he has taken power, Harper has no support from me.

The point I was making was that in fact the government of Steven Harper has chosen to spend Conservative Party funds, which are in reality subsidized with government funds, in an attempt to prevent positive or favorable public opinion for Trudeau.

Now that is a line of BS ,because we as a country have done well under harper and to go and give your support to a lite weight like trudeau tells me you are a lib to begin with. You mentioning the firewall proves it. because whatever he said about that has no bearing on what he has done as PM. And throwing around the scandal word is more proof, because the bar was set low by chretien and harper has come no where near anything that is a real scandal. Nice try jerry

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PIK, on 16 Apr 2013 - 11:32, said:

He is the official macot of the liberal party and what does bother me is the fact that canadians could be that stupid to put him in. My fear is for the country not the party.

Not 'could be' PIK. They are that stupid. They will elect him. If he keeps his stupid mouth shut and avoids saying the sort of stupid shit he's prone to, he's a shoe-in for are next PM. Canadians, on average, have the political IQ of 10 year olds. Nobody actually knows anything about their candidates and nobody knows anything about the election outside of what they see on TV commercials.

You only have to look at the Liberal and Conservative attack ads from 2004 onwards to see how much contempt they have for the average voter.

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I am going to be a Liberal voter in the next election. My decision has already been made. It was based on my dislike of the current government. Harper sold his political soul to get power. From his opinions while involved in the NCC and in addition, the Alberta Firewall Letter and his connection to that, and every scandal since he has taken power, Harper has no support from me.

The point I was making was that in fact the government of Steven Harper has chosen to spend Conservative Party funds, which are in reality subsidized with government funds, in an attempt to prevent positive or favorable public opinion for Trudeau.

Yah we don't live in a two party system and haven't for a very long time.

BTW I find it very hypocritical to bring up the firewall letter at the same time Liberals around this country are telling me to ignore Trudeau's statements on Quebec and how he doesn't follow the news because he said those things so long ago. I agree with you I will base my vote on the person their part and current statements and probably vote for Mulcair.

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In truth the Conservatives are scared. The next election is too far away and therefore its outcome cannot be accurately predicted. Conservative numbers are trending down along with the NDP while the Liberals are trending upward. This attack ad recognizes the direct political threat that Trudeau represents. There is concern within the ranks that leader approval ratings will have high impact on voter turnout. That spells distinct trouble for Harper.

I agree with you,the conservatives are very concerned about Justin and are making sure that the voters will turn down the liberals.

However I would think that with these adds and more to come,the conservatives will win the race to the bottom in deterring more liberals from coming out on election day.

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I agree with you,the conservatives are very concerned about Justin and are making sure that the voters will turn down the liberals.

However I would think that with these adds and more to come,the conservatives will win the race to the bottom in deterring more liberals from coming out on election day.

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Liberals will come out on election day. Trudeau's election has made sure of that. Problem is there just aren't as many people in the Liberal base anymore. The best case for Harper is these adds drive some of the independent progressives to the NDP but not enough to tip them. Keep the vote split which I understand but I am willing to best which ever progressive party is in the lead a week out from the election will see the other parties supporters jump ship.

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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the effectiveness of the conservative attack adds.

They only seem to go with something that has a very high chance of working which probably explains why they have not touched the NDP or Mulcair.

Keep in mind that the liberals not only have to fight off the conservatives but also the NDP.

Certainly there will still be people coming out to vote liberal,but after a year or so of attack adds????

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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the effectiveness of the conservative attack adds.

They only seem to go with something that has a very high chance of working which probably explains why they have not touched the NDP or Mulcair.

Keep in mind that the liberals not only have to fight off the conservatives but also the NDP.

Certainly there will still be people coming out to vote liberal,but after a year or so of attack adds????

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I don't think the NDP will attack the Liberals to much. Attacking the Liberals only keeps them in opposition, I think they really want to govern and they need to save every dollar to organize and take on the Conservatives. I think you will see, and I already have much more from the Liberals attack the NDP then the other way around.

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Eventually, people stop paying attention to attack ads. Early on, the Conservatives are going to try and see if they can frame Justin as a flake (drama teacher makes a good Prime Minister?) and make sure Canadians get a glimpse of how much of a pompous ass he can be. If those don't take they're going to have a problem. All the Liberals need to do is make sure that Justin expresses his personal thoughts and opinions as little as possible and that he sticks to the script and keeps his dumb mouth shut.

It's going to be an interesting dynamic. On the one side, you have Harper at the top controlling the message and trying to make sure his underlings keep their dumb mouths shut. On the other side, you'll have the Liberal Party trying to manage Justin and keep him smiling and on message.

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I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the effectiveness of the conservative attack adds.

They only seem to go with something that has a very high chance of working which probably explains why they have not touched the NDP or Mulcair.

Keep in mind that the liberals not only have to fight off the conservatives but also the NDP.

Certainly there will still be people coming out to vote liberal,but after a year or so of attack adds????

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The effectiveness of the "attack adds" has been well proven and they have a track record that is worth noting.. As do the the "history" of the polls during a party leader election. Lets look at both Ignattief and Dion..

BOTH of these gentlemen scored VERY high and Higher than Harper when they went through the honeymoon phase. This is History and based on Fact.. they ALL look to be the "Next Federal Leader" as the polls indicated... This is being seen with JT now.. (Dion actually had higher results that JT in the same time frame)..

That "Attack adds" (You can simply call them Education mediums and they have rung true. Ignatieff was indeed "Just Visiting" and Dion stood fast on his "Carbon Tax"... The adds educated the voter to these points.. and they crashed hard when the election finally took place. Attack adds work and Justin has more recorded comments like "The french are simply better than the rest of Canada" and many more for those who follow politics...

Justin WILL have one accomplishment after the election and that will be completely exploding the current "Opposition" (NDP).. He will split the vote (Its being seen now) and will pull the Liberals to a strong second place opposition to a Steven Harper Majority..

There have been no Thomas Mulcair attack adds IMO as Steve Harper and his team do NOT view him as a threat in the least... Why waste time when you know know whom the real threat is?

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The sad fact is that attack ads are very effective with the low information voters.*

*TM by Rush

Actually, for better or worse, attack ads actually ARE effective, and strangely enough, while people complain about the nastiness and wish people would "talk about the issues", in a study of American elections they found that those who watched attack ads were ironically better informed than those who were unaware that they even existed.

An attack ad can increase discussion about various issues. It can even cause candidates to issue corrections to whatever issues they were attacked over. The end result is a more educated voter.

It should also be noted that the point of negative ads may not be to convince voters to switch sides. (I.e. Liberal voters are unlikely to vote conservative over a negative ad.) Its to appeal to past voters who may currently be disinterested in voting. (i.e. the person who voted conservative last time who decided "I don't really care if I vote in the next election". A negative ad aimed at the Liberals might encourage them to vote for the conservatives again.)

http://www.cracked.com/article_20134_8-election-myths-you-probably-believe.html

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/caveman-politics/201210/why-are-negative-ads-positive-voters

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Time for Justin to retaliate: "Stephen Harper. Thinks Canada is a second rate socialist nation and Alberta should build a firewall around it. Can't dance. Looks (even more) fugly with his shirt off ."

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He is saying the exact same thing every politician says, "Canadians are tired of negative.......". And at election time, he will run negative ads as well. They all will, because they all know they work, and everyone else knows that as well.

I think the conservatives should just leave him alone. Let him take the vote back from the NDP and split it up again. The voters who went to the NDP last time are the ones who will be swayed by his looks and a vaguely defined anger against the machine. Harper should just sit back and let it happen. For the negative side, Mulcair is a professional complainer, and will probably do most of the work for him.


Time for Justin to retaliate: "Stephen Harper. Thinks Canada is a second rate socialist nation and Alberta should build a firewall around it. Can't dance. Looks (even more) fugly with his shirt off ."

Oh ya, cause that kind of thing would really resonate with the CPC voters he is trying to sway.

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Harper has his hands full this time around with the NDP and the Liberals, besides some Tory backbenchers, who feel their first loyalty is to their constituents and not him. I've heard about a year ago, some backbenchers really disagree with Harper but haven't said anything to stay in the party and collect the benefits of a MP, so I guess now they aren't going to take it many more!

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He is saying the exact same thing every politician says, "Canadians are tired of negative.......". And at election time, he will run negative ads as well. They all will, because they all know they work, and everyone else knows that as well.

I think the conservatives should just leave him alone. Let him take the vote back from the NDP and split it up again. The voters who went to the NDP last time are the ones who will be swayed by his looks and a vaguely defined anger against the machine. Harper should just sit back and let it happen. For the negative side, Mulcair is a professional complainer, and will probably do most of the work for him.

Oh ya, cause that kind of thing would really resonate with the CPC voters he is trying to sway.

Why would the Conservatives want him to take back the NDP voters? They won a majority with that split don't you remember? That is the split they need.

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besides some Tory backbenchers, who feel their first loyalty is to their constituents and not him. I've heard about a year ago, some backbenchers really disagree with Harper but haven't said anything to stay in the party and collect the benefits of a MP, so I guess now they aren't going to take it many more!

Those backbenchers can complain all they want, but the contentious issues they're bringing up are things that the vast vast majority of Canadians want nothing to do with. They'll get nowhere by leaving the party or causing a stir and they'd do well to realize that Canada wants nothing to do with what they have to say.

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Why would the Conservatives want him to take back the NDP voters? They won a majority with that split don't you remember? That is the split they need.

What I mean is the split could be even more optimized if Justin takes back some votes from the NDP. The NDP won those votes largely from the liberals. If they had a more even split, than the CPC comes out on top in many of the NDP-held ridings now, meaning the potential preservation of their majority since they are sure to lose some seats out of the population's sheer ennui with them.

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What I mean is the split could be even more optimized if Justin takes back some votes from the NDP. The NDP won those votes largely from the liberals. If they had a more even split, than the CPC comes out on top in many of the NDP-held ridings now, meaning the potential preservation of their majority since they are sure to lose some seats out of the population's sheer ennui with them.

Nope that math just doesn't add up. I will have to ask for examples on this one for sure. Considering most NDP seats were won in Quebec where the Cons poll in the teens I have no idea what you are talking about.

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Why would the Conservatives want him to take back the NDP voters? They won a majority with that split don't you remember? That is the split they need.

Let's look at what caused the Orange wave, disenfranchised voters in QC, and people, like me, that voted for the local NDP candidate because the Liberal one didn't have a chance (Oshawa riding). Jack couldn't get us past Harper... Mulcair never will.

I hope the CPC really goes after Trudeau. The first two ads were laughable, can't wait to see what is next.

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Let's look at what caused the Orange wave, disenfranchised voters in QC, and people, like me, that voted for the local NDP candidate because the Liberal one didn't have a chance (Oshawa riding). Jack couldn't get us past Harper... Mulcair never will.

I hope the CPC really goes after Trudeau. The first two ads were laughable, can't wait to see what is next.

Regardless of the history we are where we are now. Right now I know nothing abut Trudeau and I am not jumping onto a ship I know NOTHING ABOUT.

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Nope that math just doesn't add up. I will have to ask for examples on this one for sure. Considering most NDP seats were won in Quebec where the Cons poll in the teens I have no idea what you are talking about.

It's the simple fact that the NDP does not take votes from the CPC, those votes came largely from other parties. Both the Block and LIberals lost 40 seats each in the last election, total of 80, and NDP gained most of those. CPC is not going to win much in Quebec. If they lose votes, it will be mostly to the liberals in english Canada, but liberal votes can also have the effect of diminishing the NDP and resulting a CPC win in some ridings. If they destroy Justin by election day, the NDP becomes a real threat. The best strategy would be, IMO, to just let NDP and Liberals fight it out.

Another way to look at it is simply look at Ontario. Nearly all the ridings they lost, they lost to the NDP. In every one of those cases, CPC was second. That means a few more liberal votes gives them those ridings. Because most of the NDP gains in english Canada came from the liberals, it follows that most liberal gains would come back from the NDP rather than from the CPC.

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Time for Justin to retaliate: "Stephen Harper. Thinks Canada is a second rate socialist nation and Alberta should build a firewall around it. Can't dance. Looks (even more) fugly with his shirt off ."

With what money???

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It's the simple fact that the NDP does not take votes from the CPC, those votes came largely from other parties.

Not true.

I believe there are seats in BC,Ontario, Quebec and Nova Scotia that went to the NDP from conservative.

I agree that the NDP huge growth spurt did come from the liberal,bloq and greens.But now that the NDP is official opposition and very strong in the role,there appeal will be extend into the less traditional conservative areas.

I find many conservative voters just that,conservative in their voting habits and slow to change their vote,but still open to change!

Give it some time because these things take many years.

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