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Nobody has missed getting paid as of now. Fact.

the House and Senate 'pay-back' bills have not been passed... yet. Point in ShadyFact is that furloughed U.S. government employees are not being paid... and won't be paid, unless those bills are passed. I expect they will be passed at some point in the future; however, as of now your ShadyFact isn't.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/us-shutdown-explainer-non-americans

It's non essential services that are affected. The government is still going about it's daily business or you would shut down the whole country.

And these non essential service personnel are on unpaid leave. They may not ever get paid for this time period. I guess they could collect unemployment benefits?? :D

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2013/09/politics/government-shutdown-impact/

Hmm, some of these look essential. But if the gov can shut down and the USA goes on with business as usual, then this is nothing to really be concerned about. And if the USA can continue with business as usual with the shutdown, then you have to wonder what government is really good for?

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I do. I most definitely can see it. They are standing up for what they believe in and what their constituents, who they represent, believe in. I've said it before and I'll say it again - if businesses are granted a one year delay in providing insurance, then workers certainly should have the same one year delay regarding the requirement to have insurance, or be fined. Perhaps it's the Democrats, by not agreeing to that, who are being childish?

If they want to grant people a one year delay... then write a bill that does that, and send it to the floor for a vote. They call it democracy.

Threatening to stop paying the nations bills and employees if they dont get what they want is definately childish and foolish.

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Hmm, some of these look essential. But if the gov can shut down and the USA goes on with business as usual, then this is nothing to really be concerned about. And if the USA can continue with business as usual with the shutdown, then you have to wonder what government is really good for?

Are you joking? You want to use the fact that the country hasnt collapsed in THREE DAYS as evidence that none of these services were necessary? You could completely shut down the military, all agriculture, stop all the planes and trains, stop mining, etc etc... and things would plod along for a few days. Is that evidence that we dont need any of those things?

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If they want to grant people a one year delay... then write a bill that does that, and send it to the floor for a vote. They call it democracy.

Threatening to stop paying the nations bills and employees if they dont get what they want is definately childish and foolish.

That's your opinion; however they acted within the way our system works, and it's not the first time the government has been shut down. Likely won't be the last, either.

Whether one thinks they are doing the right thing or one thinks it's "childish and foolish" often depends on one's pov regarding the issue at hand.

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That's your opinion; however they acted within the way our system works, and it's not the first time the government has been shut down. Likely won't be the last, either.

Whether one thinks they are doing the right thing or one thinks it's "childish and foolish" often depends on one's pov regarding the issue at hand.

No the idea the legislative branch is suppose to get legislation passed by voting on it, is not "my opinion". Its the entire point of that institution and the way it was designed to work.

depends on one's pov regarding the issue at hand.

No thats flat out false. Even most people that dont like the healthcare law can see this childish idiocy for what it is... Only 38 percent of people who OPPOSE the healthcare law approve of this idiocy.

There is more support for the shutdown among Americans who don't like the 2010 health care law. Thirty-eight percent of them approve of the shutdown but even more, 59 percent, disapprove.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57605822/poll-americans-not-happy-about-shutdown-more-blame-gop/

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No the idea the legislative branch is suppose to get legislation passed by voting on it, is not "my opinion". Its the entire point of that institution and the way it was designed to work.

Ummmm. Your claim that they are acting "foolish and childish" is what is your opinion. You truly didn't grasp that that's what I was referring to? :rolleyes:

Again, this is not the first time the government has been shut down and it likely won't be the last. If they weren't acting within our system, they wouldn't have been able to do it.

No thats flat out false. Even most people that dont like the healthcare law can see this childish idiocy for what it is... Only 38 percent of people who OPPOSE the healthcare law approve of this idiocy.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57605822/poll-americans-not-happy-about-shutdown-more-blame-gop/

No, it's not "flat out false" since, according to your quote, There is more support for the shutdown among Americans who don't like the 2010 health care law. And fyi, Republicans favor the shutdown by a 49-percent to 44-percent margin.

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Are you joking? You want to use the fact that the country hasnt collapsed in THREE DAYS as evidence that none of these services were necessary? You could completely shut down the military, all agriculture, stop all the planes and trains, stop mining, etc etc... and things would plod along for a few days. Is that evidence that we dont need any of those things?

The caveat in my post was IF. Time will tell.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/30/us-shutdown-explainer-non-americans

It's non essential services that are affected. The government is still going about it's daily business or you would shut down the whole country.

And these non essential service personnel are on unpaid leave. They may not ever get paid for this time period. I guess they could collect unemployment benefits?? :D

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2013/09/politics/government-shutdown-impact/

Hmm, some of these look essential. But if the gov can shut down and the USA goes on with business as usual, then this is nothing to really be concerned about. And if the USA can continue with business as usual with the shutdown, then you have to wonder what government is really good for?

Exactly right. It makes you wonder just how big government should really be. It's been reduced by some 60%, and most people don't even notice. But apparently asking for a reduction by even just 1% results in the usual hysteria. Perhaps government should be relegated to ONLY essential things. And have the rest of society do the non-essentials.

Anyways, back to Obamacare. Apparently Obamacare and all of its exchange systems are going offline for the entire weekend. There are too many glitches and security breaches that need to be addressed. Heckuva job guys!!!

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you sure have a lot to say... except to suggest what your alternate 'helpful solution'... preferred solution, one other than Obamacare, is!

That's a good question Waldo. I wonder why AW doesn't engage in any meaningful dialogue about this on MLW?...

What's your preferred solution to the problem AW? If not the Affordable Care Act, then what? Why are you so frightened to answer the question?

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That's a good question Waldo. I wonder why AW doesn't engage in any meaningful dialogue about this on MLW?...

What's your preferred solution to the problem AW? If not the Affordable Care Act, then what? Why are you so frightened to answer the question?

I already outlined several remedies. I've also linked to bi-partisan reform plans. You people just choose not to listen. You're concern trolls.

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Exactly right. It makes you wonder just how big government should really be. It's been reduced by some 60%, and most people don't even notice.

I dunno about most people, but national parks and other public areas being closed is a big pain for me.

Perhaps government should be relegated to ONLY essential things.

America's definition of "essential" is total crap, so I would not support this. The welfare checks keep flowing, but key funding for scientific research, national parks, education, etc (which is tiny in comparison) is cut off. Government shutdown should mean government shutdown, not shutdown of only those things that don't affect retiring boomers.

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Exactly right. It makes you wonder just how big government should really be. It's been reduced by some 60%, and most people don't even notice.Exactly right. It makes you wonder just how big government should really be. It's been reduced by some 60%, and most people don't even notice.

ROFLMAO.

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I already outlined several remedies. I've also linked to bi-partisan reform plans. You people just choose not to listen. You're concern trolls.

no - your claimed "remedies" (tort-reform or anti-trust exemption)... even if one accepted your claims on their impact, are not a broad-based encompassing solution to resolve the gaps in U.S. healthcare coverage. Your reference to the Ryan-Wyden proposal was just you recycling the past election - the plan that simply was an interim appeasement to Ryan's eventual goal for a flat out universal privatization of Medicare, a plan that was entirely focused on Medicare short of one provision related to small business with less than a 100 employees. These are your expressed "several remedies"!

of course, you keep dodging the following... for some reason, within all your blustering over alternate remedies, you can't find the time to speak to a remedy that deals with the uninsured, with pre-existing condition coverage, with insurance price/fee gouging, with employees locked into jobs to retain health coverage, etc., etc., etc.! And you talk about concern trolling!

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That's a good question Waldo. I wonder why AW doesn't engage in any meaningful dialogue about this on MLW?...

What's your preferred solution to the problem AW? If not the Affordable Care Act, then what? Why are you so frightened to answer the question?

yes - for a claimed American, she, with much to say about her reservations over and concerns with Obamacare, in spite of your repeated requests asking her to provide her alternate preferred solution, your repeated requests remain outstanding, remain unanswered.

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I dunno about most people, but national parks and other public areas being closed is a big pain for me.

Why? You can still walk into the national parks if you like to hike. They aren't protected by barbed wire or armed guards.

America's definition of "essential" is total crap, so I would not support this. The welfare checks keep flowing, but key funding for scientific research, national parks, education, etc (which is tiny in comparison) is cut off. Government shutdown should mean government shutdown, not shutdown of only those things that don't affect retiring boomers.

So retiring boomers are the only ones on welfare? Retiring boomers don't go to national parks and other public areas? They don't care about scientific research?

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More interesting facts regarding Obamacare and his online exchanges. Looks like they're more than just health insurance exchanges...

‘WARNING: No Explicit or Implicit Expectation of Privacy’
User info ‘may be intercepted, monitored, recorded … and disclosed’ to government personnel

http://freebeacon.com/kentucky-marketplace-warning-no-explicit-or-implicit-expectation-of-privacy/

Whatevs though right? I mean, Republicans shouldn't concern themselves with such minor details and just fund the entire government asap, no questions asked.

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The trainwreck continues...

ZERO Obamacare enrollment in California so far. Plus...

California exchange overstated its Web traffic for Obamacare launch

http://www.latimes.com/business/money/la-fi-mo-california-health-exchange-glitches-20131001,0,7108713.story

The Wright Brothers new so-called flying machine crashed on its first three attempts! What a joke! Anyone who thinks this fying business is ever going to work is a loon!

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Exactly right. It makes you wonder just how big government should really be. It's been reduced by some 60%, and most people don't even notice. But apparently asking for a reduction by even just 1% results in the usual hysteria. Perhaps government should be relegated to ONLY essential things. And have the rest of society do the non-essentials.

You mean like deciding what drugs are safe to go on the market, collecting taxes, reining in polluters, that sort of thing?

BTW, because of a fluke the federal courts are still operating. They had money for two weeks. One week from now the courts stop operating. But hey, there's still Judge Judy!

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