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There is nothing wrong with teachers saying they want more pay (and there is nothing wrong with taxpayers saying no). I am only mocking their claims that they are pushing for class size limits because they "care about the children". At the end of the day the only things that matter to teachers union are things that benefit its members (which is fine) and they have no business pretending that they are motivated by altruism.

They do care about children, that's why most of them teach.

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Class size seems to me to be both a 'it's for the kids' and 'working conditions' type of issue.

Of course, but unfortunately these things always have to be made into a battle between the oppressive capitalist pigs on the one side and the greedy socialist union hoards on the other. It is really not constructive.

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The union is looking out for kids and teachers. If it weren't for strong teacher unions, our school system would be pillaged by capitalist neo-liberal pigs.

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Anyone wishing to join the debate and offer support to educators and the BCTF can do so at #bced.

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The union is looking out for kids and teachers. If it weren't for strong teacher unions, our school system would be pillaged by capitalist neo-liberal pigs.

The union is looking out for it's own bottom line. More members, more membership fees, more wages, etc. Never expect to make any sort of sacrifice themselves, no, let's just take it out of everyone else's pockets.

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The union is looking out for it's own bottom line. More members, more membership fees, more wages, etc. Never expect to make any sort of sacrifice themselves, no, let's just take it out of everyone else's pockets.

I can't believe how little you know. Teacher unions are beacons of democracy and strong advocates for public education and public educators. Smaller class sizes will result in better teaching environments, benefiting the kids the most. How can you be against that?

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Smaller class sizes will result in better teaching environments, benefiting the kids the most. How can you be against that?

A system where teachers are evaluated yearly and the results used to reward top performers and fire chronic under performers would result in improved teaching quality and greatly benefit kids. How can anyone be against that? Edited by TimG

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Who said anything about reducing their workload? Less students doesn't reduce their workload. It allows them time to tailor their teaching to individual students' needs. Otherwise, they're spending their time teaching to the lowest common denominator, which doesn't help any of the kids.

Also, Tim, you lack imagination when it comes to revenues and funding, if you can't see that there's more options than simply raise the HST or teachers take a pay cut. This is a false dilemma that so overly simplistic that I'm not even going to dignify it by taking it seriously.

Its not a false dilemma at all.

If you want to spend more money on education or health care you can either raise taxes or take from one to fund the other. There are relatively piddling amounts availbel to be taken from other govt programs which will reduce funds available for roads, parks and provincial social services. The big money is already in education and health care.

Time to cut the bullshit and have an honest discussion about both of these massive spending priorities since they consume and will consume most tax revenue. That won't change no matter how much you increase taxes.

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I can't believe how little you know. Teacher unions are beacons of democracy and strong advocates for public education and public educators. Smaller class sizes will result in better teaching environments, benefiting the kids the most. How can you be against that?

Now you're sounding like a troll.

Real teachers- including my spouse- never, ever refer to their PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION as a union.

Neither do other professionals with unions, like doctors, lawyers and engineers.

The reasons are obvious.

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Now you're sounding like a troll.

Real teachers- including my spouse- never, ever refer to their PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION as a union.

Neither do other professionals with unions, like doctors, lawyers and engineers.

The reasons are obvious.

I refer to them as a union. I like the word union. It exemplifies solidarity. Your wife, if she is a teacher is free to call it what she wants. I'll call it a union. Who are you to tell me what I can or can't call it? Federation, Association, Union....whatever, all the same. Unlike you I don't get sidetracked by trivial matters.

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Now you're sounding like a troll.

Real teachers- including my spouse- never, ever refer to their PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION as a union.

Neither do other professionals with unions, like doctors, lawyers and engineers.

The reasons are obvious.

Sorry, but I really have to take exception to that statement. BC teachers had a professional association in the BC College of Teachers, but it was rendered totally ineffectual by the teachers UNION, the BCTF. The College was disbanded around 2012, leaving the teachers of BC as the only body of university educated professionals to not have an overseeing association. I am a member of a professional association, and please believe me that the BCTF is the antiChrist to a professional association.

Can I make that any clearer?

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When a male in our society is shorter in stature than most, he typically develops the " Short Man Syndrome". He feels at some subconscious level that he must make up in attitude what he lacks in height.

Well, I am here to declare a new syndrome called the "Short Work Year Syndrome". Teachers know at some subconscious level that they are embarrassed to have their 5.5 hour work day set by the attention span of a 6 year old. They also know that there is no other job available that demands a total of 192 days work per year. It also must be at the front of their minds that at least 70% of their work associates failed at their first attempted career path at university so they fled to the easiest faculty available. So, where teachers lack in dignity and acceptance as relevant in society, they make up by continually pumping their own tires.

You read it here first.

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When are you guys getting out the molotov cocktails and riot gear?

Educators aren't violent. We expect to be treated fairly while promoting social justice.

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Educators aren't violent. We expect to be treated fairly while promoting social justice.

You should be treated fairly. Promoting your version of social justice isn't part of your job description.

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Educators aren't violent. We expect to be treated fairly while promoting social justice.

You are being treated fairly. You're not getting everything you want. See the difference?

Unions exist to promote the interests of its members, and that is what yours is doing.

Please stop pretending otherwise with this 'social justice' gibberish. Don't get me wrong, I acknowledge this is business and treat it as such. You might have enough respect for others to do the same.

If you felt a strong yearning for social justice, you'd be teaching impoverished children in Congo for free.

Instead, you are arguing over improvements to already extraordinary benefits and whether your wages should be capped at $95 or $105k per annum.

Try again, we're not falling for it.

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Sorry, but I really have to take exception to that statement. BC teachers had a professional association in the BC College of Teachers, but it was rendered totally ineffectual by the teachers UNION, the BCTF. The College was disbanded around 2012, leaving the teachers of BC as the only body of university educated professionals to not have an overseeing association. I am a member of a professional association, and please believe me that the BCTF is the antiChrist to a professional association.

Can I make that any clearer?

Thanks for the clarification. I live in Alberta, where the Alberta Teachers Association continues to promote their charade of having a professional association and a union under the same roof. Literally under the same roof.

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I am. But teachers in BC are being oppressed. The teachers and the union is fighting on behalf of kids and the public against powerful neo-liberals.

Who are you trying to kid, we in ontario have heard it all before. And that is why so many want to become teachers, and the majority of people wanting to become teachers has nothing to do with the kids . it is all about the money, the benefits and the time off and throw in early retirement where you can be on pension longer that you worked.

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the majority of people wanting to become teachers has nothing to do with the kids . it is all about the money, the benefits and the time off and throw in early retirement where you can be on pension longer that you worked.

Do you have any proof of that ? What if somebody came on this thread and said "right wingers just hate children and love money" ?

If we all come on here and just post our prejudices then there's zero basis for discussion.

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I am at the age where alot of my buddies children are becoming teachers and that is all they talk about, is the bennifits. Now it is my opinion, we are allowed opinions here?? These people becoming teachers are still kids and not aying there are not people that want to teach period, but I would bet the farm if teaching was not as profitable as it is today you would have less people looking to be a teacher and that is probably why alot can't get a job in ONT because of the line up to get in. I must use IMO more often, thanks for pointing that out.

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Now it is my opinion, we are allowed opinions here??

Like I said, I could spout off on unverifiable points about my "buddies'" children's poor professionalism but I wouldn't expect YOU to care, why do you expect me to care ?

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Like I said, I could spout off on unverifiable points about my "buddies'" children's poor professionalism but I wouldn't expect YOU to care, why do you expect me to care ?

Because I do, or other wise why would I waste my time here???? It is little things like that, that can give you a idea on what people are thinking, instead of waiting for a link from some so-called expert.I see with my own eyes.

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