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30 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I guess we need to rename this thread 'Two decades ago in Islam'

IOW if a Muslim taxi driver did something insulting 22 years ago, it's NOT AT ALL A REACH to complain about it and tie it to Muslim immigration policy in Canada.

Wow, what a twat!  I hope she sued.

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34 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

1. So you do see a difference then?

2. I don't. Nor am I offended by either.    

1. I already said I saw a difference.

2. Ok.  You seem to think I'd be offended though, which is weird.

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5 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I already said I saw a difference.

2. Ok.  You seem to think I'd be offended though, which is weird.

1) You have something against the blind?  That's okay.  As long as you're quiet, they won't know.

2) As long as neither of us is offended, that's all that matters.

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3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

She sued, used the money to pay for her sweet 16 and has since died of old age.  Good riddance.

She was sixteen in 1997 and now she's dead of old age?  That must have been some party!

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9 hours ago, bcsapper said:

1) You have something against the blind?   

2) As long as neither of us is offended, that's all that matters.

1) No.

2) I don't think taking offense is important at all either way.

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11 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Difference ? Well, I don't think I would be personally insulted if somebody didn't accept my dog.

Neither one 'offends' me.  Are you offended ?

It offends me that some one would think it's fine to refuse a guide dog.

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On 8/12/2019 at 4:50 PM, GostHacked said:

Interesting that this wont get called out on by certain forum members who like to complain every step of the way regarding Islam. Denoucing this would be a good step, but I doubt we'll see that from the 'usual suspects' ..  :D

I find your statement quite ironic, considering the fact that if this was a terror attack perpetrated by Muslims, all the Progressives on the forum would be dead silent.

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1 hour ago, scribblet said:

It offends me that some one would think it's fine to refuse a guide dog.

You are going to have a tough time getting through life I think.  There are far worse problems than New Yorkers having to hail a second can.  

Do yourself a favour and don't Google Yemen

 

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1) No.

2) I don't think taking offense is important at all either way.

My mistake.  I was under the impression that you thought there was a difference between the two examples of someone being discriminated against due to religious reasons.  That said, your original answer to my post did seem to show a certain amount of annoyance with only one example.

Anyway, in my original post I did try to argue for some accommodation for the religiously intolerant, but I was probably wrong.  I should be more intolerant.  Like them I guess.

 

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48 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

You are going to have a tough time getting through life I think.  There are far worse problems than New Yorkers having to hail a second can.  

Do yourself a favour and don't Google Yemen

Why would I google Yemen?

I would not like to think that people, especially here, thought so little of disabled people, in this case people who are blind.   Hailing a second cab anywhere isn't that easy for a blind person nor is having wait at an airport while Muslim cabbies argued about who should take the blind person. In one case a second cab also refused.     I'm sorry that you feel that disabled people are of so little consequence, fortunately, laws for the disabled trump religious beliefs. 

Is August 2019 recent enough for you?

https://www.tt.com/panorama/gesellschaft/15929619/mitnahme-von-hunden-in-innsbrucker-taxis-bleibt-ein-aufreger?sfns=mo

https://edmontonjournal.com/news/local-news/woman-with-service-dog-says-she-was-denied-taxi-service-at-edmonton-international-airport

https://www.rnib.org.uk/about-us/media-centre/latest-media-releases/guide-dog-owners-illegally-refused-service

a sting operation

https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/taxi-driver-gulzar-hussain-refused-10463126

 

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Canada certainly treats you harshly if you show Islamic extremism. The parole board just released a guy who traveled to Turkey to join ISIS after a mere four months in custody. He expressed the earnest desire to kill all non-Muslims upon his return. Don't worry, he's banned from having a firearm for three years and has to talk to an imam!

Meanwhile, for comparison purposes, that 17 year old who spray painted swastika's on a church a mosque and a synagogue served a year in prison.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/08/canada-muslim-wanted-to-fulfill-wishes-of-allah-to-kill-non-muslims-is-freed-must-get-therapy-meet-with-imam

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On 8/22/2019 at 9:39 AM, scribblet said:

Why would I google Yemen?

Yemen,  a nation being attacked by Saudi Arabia backed by the USA.  Not only does the USA love socialism (corporate and financial institutional socialism) it also loves terrorism.  Almost everything that the USA is for in theory seems to be 100% opposite of what we see in reality.

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Canada's commitment to rule of law, regardless of crime, shines again as accused terrorists are granted a new trial, due to judge's error.

Link.

Glad to live in a country which believes in the same rights for everybody.

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1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Canada's commitment to rule of law, regardless of crime, shines again as accused terrorists are granted a new trial, due to judge's error.

Link.

Glad to live in a country which believes in the same rights for everybody.

We'll get them next time.

As long as they're guilty, that is.

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A Pakistani doctor in the U.K. who molested a student nurse on a hospital ward is to keep his job after blaming the incident on 'cultural norms'.  Would this happen in Canada, not sure but why should a doctor be treated differently because sexual assault is a 'cultural norm'  where he comes from?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5106709/Doctor-molested-nurse-gets-job.html

yet -  a Christian Physician is fired in the UK for suggesting  gender is organic.  

again in the U.K. they are recognizing Sharia Law in divorce   https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/01/british-court-recognises-sharia-law-landmark-divorce-case/

originally adopted 2014 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10716844/Islamic-law-is-adopted-by-British-legal-chiefs.html

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, scribblet said:

but why should a doctor be treated differently because

Was he treated differently?  He was convicted of sexual assault, is on the sexual offenders list, has to serve one-year community sentence (whatever that is), he's attended a course on professional boundaries, can't practice for a year and will have his position as a doctor reviewed next year.  Not an outright firing true, but not a warm welcome back, either.  Unless you can show a case where a non-Pakistani doc in the same circumstances was outright fired, then you have no basis for claiming this guy was treated differently than any other doc would have been.  Disagreeing with the medical tribunal allowing him to keep his medical licence makes sense (I might agree with that, he was way out of line) but blaming it on some kind of Muslim or Pakistani preference makes no sense unless you have a lot more evidence.

No link to the other story, but even the sentence provided tells me its an entirely different situation so you are trying to compare apples and oranges.  My best guess here is that he was fired for going against the policy of whatever organization he worked for and had nothing to do with being Christian.  Unless you can show where a non-Christian working for the same organization wasn't fired for doing the same thing.

3 hours ago, scribblet said:

in the U.K. they are recognizing Sharia Law in divorce  

So this recognition of Sharia marriage protects Muslim women.  From your link:   The case will have significant implications for women who marry under sharia law but not UK law and could give them the right to divorce their husbands and split the assets related to the union, as well as securing a divorce more easily.

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So you think it`s okay that he gets to keep his job after molesting a student nurse then blaming the incident on 'cultural norms'  and telling her he wanted an affair as he considered her 'sexually available' because she'd had previous boyfriend

 

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More on Sharia courts in Britain which are operating and often  women get the short end of the stick (sometimes actually no pun intended.  In a gov`t review and report the gov`t declined to recognize them as it would give them legitimacy.


https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/sharia-law-uk-courts-muslim-women-rights-few-compared-islamic-countries-religious-rulings-quran-a8064796.html

I do not share this complaint. I have heard enough tales of women wronged and almost destroyed in the cases of separation and divorce to know that this is a subject that needs to be shouted about from the rooftops in order to obtain a change in the law. One which will give British Muslim women the right to a civil divorce and a share of matrimonial finances.

 

A U.K. gov`t review actually endorsed Sharia Courts despite finding "Systemic Discrimination Against Women"     and this group believes they are Sharia councils are being `whitewashed` https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/whitewashing-sharia-councils-in-uk/

 

They use the same stock photo 2019   https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/council-of-europe-sharia-law-muslims-couples-marriage-women-protection-a8743341.html

'The assembly is concerned that the rulings of the Sharia councils clearly discriminate against women in divorce and inheritance cases,' new measure says

 

Muslim couples getting married in the UK should be legally required to civilly register their union before or during the Islamic ceremony, the Council of Europe has said. 

Raising concerns about the role of sharia councils in family, inheritance and commercial law, the human rights organisation made up of 47 member states, called for obstacles stopping Muslim women from accessing justice to be removed.

And similar here

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/uk-named-in-council-of-europe-sharia-warning/5068976.article

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I agree that a woman who allows herself to be ruled by Sharia law when she lives in a Western country is doing herself a disservice.  

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I didn't know where to put this, so in the interests of fairness, as I had recently used the April Fool's reference on Muslims, I decided to put it here.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/harry-potter-banned-school-library-nashville-tennessee-exorcist-a9087676.html

 

A Roman Catholic school in Tennessee has banished JK Rowling's universally popular series of Harry Potter novels from its library shelves after its pastor took exception to their portrayal of magic, warning the spells and curses the author describes are real and “risk conjuring evil spirits” when read.

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