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My point is that violent protest and peaceful protest are not the same thing.

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You know what people want?

Young Black men to stop raping, murdering and robbing people.

Like that 12 year old with the toy gun? Who was he raping and murdering again? Mike Brown? He was raping and murdering was he? Trayvon Martin? Must have stolen that pack of Skittles, so being shot to death in the middle of the street is justice.

Give your head a shake.

And besides, when's the last time you were concerned about white criminals? Luka Magnotta mutilating his victim and mailing his body parts around the country? *shrugs* Mike Brown steals a pack of cigarettes and you have the most aggressive language you can muster against him.

You may not think of yourself as a bigot, but your arguments certainly are.

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One might think that accusing others of racism for simply having an opinion different from their own would be unacceptable.

Yes. This is all about difference of opinion. :rolleyes:

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And the above could be used by a majority group to justify the oppression of any number of groups.

The ideas of the posters here is "who gives a shit as long as I'm in the majority?"

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My point is that violent protest and peaceful protest are not the same thing.

No one is violent and one is peaceful. :rolleyes:

You've gone on at some length about the sanctity of the law, and how dangerous it is to break the law simply because you disagree with something. But you also endorse "peaceful protest" as a legitimate tactic which can also entail breaking the law and causing social disruption. So, which is it?

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What are you even talking about?

He's talking about how hard white middle class men have it. All of that reverse racism makes it nearly impossible for them to succeed in our society.

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My point is that violent protest and peaceful protest are not the same thing.

Really? Because I'm sure Black Dog thought VIOLENT and PEACEFUL meant the exact same thing. I'm sure Black Dog is grateful for this new knowledge.

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Like that 12 year old with the toy gun? Who was he raping and murdering again?

No one has really justified that to any extent

Mike Brown? He was raping and murdering was he?

A preponderance of the evidence shows that he was attempting to.

Trayvon Martin? Must have stolen that pack of Skittles, so being shot to death in the middle of the street is justice.

I'm sorry, was he murdered by a cop?

And besides, when's the last time you were concerned about white criminals? Luka Magnotta mutilating his victim and mailing his body parts around the country? *shrugs* Mike Brown steals a pack of cigarettes and you have the most aggressive language you can muster against him.

And where were you to defend Magnotta? The only discussion that I've seen here came as a response to the defence of criminal acts.

You may not think of yourself as a bigot, but your arguments certainly are.

In your expert opinion, right? Far be it for us to determine our own bigotry.

Yes. This is all about difference of opinion. :rolleyes:

That's exactly what it is. More than that, it's a different world view. Your's just happens to be wrong.

The ideas of the posters here is "who gives a shit as long as I'm in the majority?"

Ah, so you're back to telling us what we think again.

No one is violent and one is peaceful. :rolleyes:

You've gone on at some length about the sanctity of the law, and how dangerous it is to break the law simply because you disagree with something. But you also endorse "peaceful protest" as a legitimate tactic which can also entail breaking the law and causing social disruption. So, which is it?

You're unable to see the difference between illegal marrying someone and burning down a small business?

He's talking about how hard white middle class men have it. All of that reverse racism makes it nearly impossible for them to succeed in our society.

And here's another example.

Really? Because I'm sure Black Dog thought VIOLENT and PEACEFUL meant the exact same thing. I'm sure Black Dog is grateful for this new knowledge.

You really do need a break.

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I'm not telling you what to think. If you all want to be racist assholes, that's your prerogative. Stop acting surprised when people are disgusted by your abhorrent views. Go crying to the moderators. Maybe they'll ban me so you don't have to have your noses rubbed in the shit you call an opinion.

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I'm not telling you what to think.

What you're doing is attempting to put words in our mouths...words that don't fit my opinion anyway.

If you all want to be racist assholes, that's your prerogative. Stop acting surprised when people are disgusted by your abhorrent views.

We disagree with your world view. It doesn't make us racist assholes. It is simply about differences of opinion.

Edited by Smallc

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One view of the cctv video of the shooting of the 12 year old with the toy gun should save anyone at least a thousand words.

I've yet to hear anyone defend that in any meaningful way.

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I do agree with you. The only defence is that the cop got caught up in the moment. He should have known better and better considrred wha he did.

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I do agree with you. The only defence is that the cop got caught up in the moment. He should have known better and better considrred wha he did.

I would venture a guess that this may go to training. But racism certainly can't be ignored. Perhaps they go hand in hand.

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I would venture a guess that this may go to training. But racism certainly can't be ignored. Perhaps they go hand in hand.

Racism seems to be far less of a factor than an under-trained jumpy cop in this case.

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You're unable to see the difference between illegal marrying someone and burning down a small business?

So you feel that as long as you don't do any property damage, it's okay to break the law in the name of "the right thing." That's a pretty dangerous way to run a society. :rolleyes:

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So you feel that as long as you don't do any property damage, it's okay to break the law in the name of "the right thing." That's a pretty dangerous way to run a society. :rolleyes:

Generally, it is. In fact, putting forward a court challenge without breaking the law would have been far better. That said, I think you would agree that there are degrees of severity.

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What about them?

They're an oppressed minority. In a prop rep system they might well hold the balance of power and get their views taken more seriously.

Otherwise, well, since they're not being listened to I guess they should just resort to violence.

Edited by Argus

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They're an oppressed minority. In a prop rep system they might well hold the balance of power and get their views taken more seriously.

Otherwise, well, since they're not being listened to I guess they should just resort to violence.

So it is your belief that violent protest is never valid?

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So it is your belief that violent protest is never valid?

I'm not a one-size-fits-all kind of guy.

I would say, however, that violent protest in terms of race relations is not warranted or justified. Nor would it be productive. Hell, Black America already has a big reputation for violence and crime. It's one of the major millstones around its neck which inspire racism and prejudice.

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I'm not a one-size-fits-all kind of guy.

I would say, however, that violent protest in terms of race relations is not warranted or justified.

Well, I should point out here that this whole line of conversation was initially about non-violent, but disruptive, protests.

As for whether or not violent protests are justified (that's usually something that depends on the judgement of history: the smallc's of the 60s were no doubt outraged by the lawlessness and property damage of the Stonewall riots), that's less interesting than the fact that race and violence continue to be so closely intertwined in the U.S.

Hell, Black America already has a big reputation for violence and crime. It's one of the major millstones around its neck which inspire racism and prejudice.

Maybe, but again, the racist assumption that blacks are predisposed to criminality goes back long before such a reputation could consider to be justified.

Edited by Black Dog

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