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So you don't understand systemic racism then. The system isn't racist. That's reifying the system. The fact of the matter is that there are countless studies that show black people (and other minorities) are at a disadvantage when all other things are equal. From finding jobs, to getting loans, to being stopped by the police, to getting convicted, to longer jail sentences, etc. Even when you take into consideration their income, education, and other sociodemographic factors, all those things being held constant, they're still at a disadvantage. That's what systemic racism is. That has been shown time and time again through demography and econometric analysis. You can sit here and say you don't believe it in it all you want, but you look exactly like the morons who don't believe in evolution every time you say it.

Also, it's worth noting that the inclusion of the word racism in there seems to imply that there is some devious plot to keep things that way. I think that's what most people, including me, would reject. That's what I'm talking about when I talk about the theory of a racist system.

I find it funny though that you can now explain what it is, when before all you could do was mock no matter how many suggestions you got to do what you just did above.

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How could there be such as study? All other things are not equal.

Jesus christ. I'm not going to sit here and teach you an entire upper level education on inferential statistics so you can understand how there can be studies like that.
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Also, it's worth noting that the inclusion of the word racism in there seems to imply that there is some devious plot to keep things that way. I think that's what most people, including me, would reject. That's what I'm talking about when I talk about the theory of a racist system.

I find it funny though that you can now explain what it is, when before all you could do was mock no matter how many suggestions you got to do what you just did above.

Nobody said anything about a devious plot. You're imputing that into the discussion. Systemic racism means only that minorities are disadvantaged based on race. That's a fact and still is to this day. Individual prejudices are another issue and Black Dog, as well as others, have been trying to explain to you the difference between individual prejudice and systemic racism for months now.

And I shouldn't have to explain to you what it is. People have been explaining it to you for months. You're mocked because you're ignorant and completely unwilling to go learn for yourself what these things mean. It wouldn't be so bad if you actually wanted to know, but you sit here and reject these concepts outright without having a god damned clue what they are.

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Jesus christ. I'm not going to sit here and teach you an entire upper level education on inferential statistics so you can understand how there can be studies like that.

I went to university, I do know how it works. Such a study with the human factor involved would be pretty useless.

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Nobody said anything about a devious plot. You're imputing that into the discussion. Systemic racism means only that minorities are disadvantaged based on race.

Yes, that is an assumption I reject for the most part (though not in all cases). I see little value in having this debate again.

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I went to university, I do know how it works. Such a study with the human factor involved would be pretty useless.

It's useless to know, for example, that black people despite having the same education and income as others are still denied mortgages? That's useless knowledge?
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Yes, that is an assumption I reject for the most part (though not in all cases). I see little value in having this debate again.

Of course you see no value in it. You're not the disadvantaged one. It's easy for you to stick your head in the sand and believe that if everyone just stopped talking about racism it would go away.
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It's useless to know, for example, that black people despite having the same education and income as others are still denied mortgages? That's useless knowledge?

It's illegal to deny somebody based on skin colour. And education and income are less important than credit history.

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Yes, that is an assumption I reject for the most part (though not in all cases). I see little value in having this debate again.

Agreed. The fact is, in this particular case, racism wasn't a factor. Does it mean racism doesn't exist? Of course not. But some people just don't seem to get that.

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Agreed. The fact is, in this particular case, racism wasn't a factor. Does it mean racism doesn't exist? Of course not. But some people just don't seem to get that.

No I think most of us get the fact that racism exists. Look at the report that just came out on racism within the Ferguson PD and then tell us how you know it wasnt involved in the Brown case.

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No I think most of us get the fact that racism exists. Look at the report that just came out on racism within the Ferguson PD and then tell us how you know it wasnt involved in the Brown case.

Because the facts don't indicate that. Even the federal investigation, with all the forensic evidence suggests otherwise. Stop denying science.

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How could there be such as study? All other things are not equal.

Do you comprehend multivariate statistics? Tons of studies looking at race crime poverty inequality and policing interactions.

http://m.phys.org/news/2013-08-cities-high-racial-economic-inequality.html

Here's one ...

Oddsson and his colleagues examined data from 64 American cities with populations of more than 250,000. They found evidence that cities tend to increase the size of their police force when high levels of poverty exist along with greater economic inequality between racial groups. When levels of racial and economic inequality are low or when levels of poverty are low, cities do not increase their police forces as much as metropolitan areas where citizens perceive greater threats resulting from a combination of large inequalities and severe poverty.

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All things are never equal between cultural groups...and many human studies are in fact close to useless when there are so many variables.

Cite?

Again ... do you comprehend multivariate statistics ... or any human factors research?

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You ask for cites for personal opinions way too often.

So it's a personal opinion based on.....low sample anecdotes.....urban myth......tribal story.......dream fantasy? Whether it had facts in it or not, you must have read something to help form this opinion.

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...you must have read something to help form this opinion.

Especially because he peppered his statement with the number-ish adjective "many" ...

So - go to the many and give us one, I say.

Side note: this is why the term "many" is at best inexact when analyzing significance. How many people are "many" people ? 1000 ? Out of a world of billions ? What is statistically significant for the group you're examining ?

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So it's a personal opinion based on.....low sample anecdotes.....urban myth......tribal story.......dream fantasy? Whether it had facts in it or not, you must have read something to help form this opinion.

I've seen too many human studies, especially those that involve some element of self reporting, or nebulous ideas such as all things being equal, turn out to be far less valuable than originally thought.

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Especially because he peppered his statement with the number-ish adjective "many" ...So - go to the many and give us one, I say.Side note: this is why the term "many" is at best inexact when analyzing significance. How many people are "many" people ? 1000 ? Out of a world of billions ? What is statistically significant for the group you're examining ?

A not insignificant number of scientists consider social science studies to be....less than significant. There are a multitude of articles and blogs on the subject.

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Obviously you havent heard about the Dept. of Justice report. Give it a google and maybe learn something.

Yep, I have. Hand up, don't shoot didn't happen. Officer Wilson is vindicated. You're ridiculous petition reference went no where. The federal investigation backs up everything from the grand jury. It's time for you to move on. This particular case is a goner.

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