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Interesting point of view. Care to elaborate?

Not a point-of-view. A fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

But we can ignore the continual expansion of settlements in the west bank.....

Like you're an expert on the Arab-Israeli conflict. How many Jewish settlements are in Gaza?

Nobody here is stopping you and Big Guy from supporting Iran, Hamas, the PLO, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc, etc. This doesn't mean everybody is going to join you two in doing so.

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Not a point-of-view. A fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza

Like you're an expert on the Arab-Israeli conflict. How many Jewish settlements are in Gaza?

Nobody here is stopping you and Big Guy from supporting Iran, Hamas, the PLO, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc, etc. This doesn't mean everybody is going to join you two in doing so.

West bank Dog, West bank ... While you get a nice point about Gaza, you also lose the point because of the expansion of the settlements in the West Bank... I know I know, we can ignore the West Bank for your rhetorical purposes ... shall we continue?

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The Zionists prefer to excuse the treatment of Palestinians as a religious conflict between Muslims and the rest of the world but those in that open air prison called Gaza are not all muslims:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/12/gaza-christians-israel-beat-151224061804531.html

As people around the world celebrate Christmas, Christians from Gaza say they are looking to the festivities as a chance to find relief from the ongoing struggle of living in the besieged Palestinian territory. The continuing Israeli blockade on Gaza has virtually stopped the freedom of movement and goods, the unemployment rate now standing at forty-three percent, and youth unemployment at sixty percent - the highest in the world, according to a World Bank report earlier this year. The United Nations has already claimed that if the blockade and current situation continues, Gaza could be 'unlivable' by 2020.

Canada has to wash it hands of any association with this apartheid regime which is prepared to starve out the Palestinians including Christians to steal their land.

Oh you want to stay within the confines of just that now? I'll note that for other threads. Keep it up.

Note the subject matter of the post I WAS REPLYING TO. You're the one chiming in about Judea/Samaria.

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Nobody here is stopping you and Big Guy from supporting Iran, Hamas, the PLO, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc, etc. This doesn't mean everybody is going to join you two in doing so.

I can only speak for myself.

It appears that your perception of any issue is one of cheerleading - you either cheer for one side or cheer for the other. There are those who try to look at issues impartially and analyse the intricacies involved as to cause and effect.‚Äč

I suggest that you spend more time in studying Iran, Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood etc. You may find them very different entities as to history, goals, methodology, affiliation etc. But since you appear to see this world as your views good and other views bad it makes sense to lump things together - but does undermine your credibility as to actual knowledge of what you are referring to.

It appears that since you are unable to counter Big Guy's views with any factual evidence you resort to implying Big Guy a terrorist sympathiser. Good for you! According to some of your like thinking allies on this board, Big Guy is also an anti-Semite, Jew hater, Gaza rooter, stupid, opinionated, Putin lover, totally out of touch with reality, and has bad breath. I have been called it all. I suspect it says more about Big Guy's critics than about Big Guy. I do not have bad breath.

I have read your posts and understand your opinions and your grasp of international affairs. If I would find myself "joining" with you then that would make me very uncomfortable.

I have no wish to have anyone "join me" in anything. I do enjoy and solicit positive criticism and corrections if anyone has factual information to which I have not had access. As for as negative criticism, I deal with it in the spirit in which it is made.

I do not support Israeli policies.

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You assume things about me. Do you know what that makes you?

Edit: To add, you've made it more than clear that you'd like Canada to become allies with Iran over Israel. Iran...a sponsor of international Islamic terrorism.

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You assume things about me. Do you know what that makes you?

Edit: To add, you've made it more than clear that you'd like Canada to become allies with Iran over Israel. Iran...a sponsor of international Islamic terrorism.

A pretty good judge of character if what you post is the truth of what you believe.

I hope Canada does look to Iran rather than Israel as an associate and trading partner. I also hope that Canada washes its hands of any association with Israel and its continued suppression of the Palestinians and other aggressive actions in the Middle East.

BTW - Do you know that Canada is part of the coalition which is providing air cover for Iranian ground troops in Syria and Iraq?

As I suggested in the previous post: Do yourself a favour and take the time to research what is really happening in the Middle East. You may find it enlightening.

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It's interesting that you're comparing Israel to terrorists in Paris and terrorists who fly planes into buildings. You're setting the bar pretty low.

No. I'm juxtaposing them to their enemies. Israel's enemies don't fight with one or two hands tied behind their backs.

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The Liberal governmen is not reviewing its approach with Israel. Big Guy has presented a statement with zero proof or basis and I call him out to provide the basis for this comment.

There was talk during the campaign by Trudeau about recognizing Iran. That has nothing to do with relations with Israel.

Frankly it would not surprise me if Trudeau withdrew Canada's recognition of Israel. Likewise Obama with the U.S. They seem to think that the Arabs will leave the West alone if we appease them. That didn't work so well for Chamberlain.

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That's never going to happen. There's also be no point. It would also be a step back to finding a 2-state solution than a step forward.

But it would make Trudeau feel a gush of virtuosity.
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In January of this year, the program "Frontline" ran a documentary on Benjamin Netanyahu. It is lengthy, partly biographical and does explain why Bibi does what he does and believes what he believes.

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I am sure that his obvious need for confrontation and war is not shared by most Israeli citizens.

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So Israel continues to antagonize and radicalize the Palestinians:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/israel-bans-palestinian-settlement-labourers-work-160120090017992.html

So the Israelis illegally claim Palestinian lands, then they build on them. Meanwhile, the Palestinians have to feed their kids so they work on these illegal settlements. So now the Israelis are stopping them from even working there.

Palestinian human rights campaigner Tahseen Elayyan told Al Jazeera that Palestinians often find themselves in a catch-22 situation.

"Palestinians want to work to raise their families, but often find themselves forced to work in illegal Israeli settlements built on their own stolen land. They have no other choice but to work there," Elayyan said.

And you wonder why the Palestinians hate the Israelis.

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So Israel continues to antagonize and radicalize the Palestinians:

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/01/israel-bans-palestinian-settlement-labourers-work-160120090017992.html

So the Israelis illegally claim Palestinian lands, then they build on them. Meanwhile, the Palestinians have to feed their kids so they work on these illegal settlements. So now the Israelis are stopping them from even working there.

Palestinian human rights campaigner Tahseen Elayyan told Al Jazeera that Palestinians often find themselves in a catch-22 situation.

"Palestinians want to work to raise their families, but often find themselves forced to work in illegal Israeli settlements built on their own stolen land. They have no other choice but to work there," Elayyan said.

And you wonder why the Palestinians hate the Israelis.

Exactly so!

What Israel is doing is systematic dismantling of the Palestine state...Bibi's government has become no more than an excuse to justify the behaviour of their criminal regime. They also suffer from delusion of grandeur if they think for one second they have the calling of god. More like from Satan....stealing and building illegal settlements on the land of palestinian people in breach of several international laws. Anyone with a little conscience would see that. Let's presume Canada was occupied and suppressed like Palestine. How would it feel if our daily life was one of humiliation, dictated to and a life of peace and freedom denied?

Any man would stand up and fight for his freedom and that of his family. If, as is the case the oppressors have superior weaponry would you not like them deploy any method to fight? So now those people are terrorists? Not! This is nothing but propaganda to justify the means For Israel to grab more land and continue with its illegal expansion.

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...Let's presume Canada was occupied and suppressed like Palestine. How would it feel if our daily life was one of humiliation, dictated to and a life of peace and freedom denied?

No need to presume this...as First Nations have experienced the same thing in Canada. Land claims and other "humiliation(s)" remain.

Lecturing Israel about such matters is laughable.

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Kactus buzz words like "systemic dismantling of the Palestinian state" are ridiculous.

Systemically refers to a pervasive attitude or approach that permeates layers of organized behavior in an organization.. You probably meant systematically or step by step. Better still just say "dismantling" without the ridiculous preface. It's redundant to say its done step by step.

Now grammar aside if Israel was in fact dismantling this so called Palestine the state (which does not exist but hey I know in your world kaboom poof abra cadabra it does because its righteous to say so) it would have forced Palestinians into Jordan or Iraq long before now.

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You want Israel out of the West Bank, dismantle the terror cells. at war with them operating on the West Bank. and explain to their government is open constitution calling for a Sharia law state in Israel that it takes back and fuses with Jordan and the West Bank is not conducive to peace.

Oh hey I know, in your world the state of Palestine does not want to take back Israel.

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Kactus buzz words like "systemic dismantling of the Palestinian state" are ridiculous.

Systemically refers to a pervasive attitude or approach that permeates layers of organized behavior in an organization.. You probably meant systematically or step by step. Better still just say "dismantling" without the ridiculous preface. It's redundant to say its done step by step.

Now grammar aside if Israel was in fact dismantling this so called Palestine the state (which does not exist but hey I know in your world kaboom poof abra cadabra it does because its righteous to say so) it would have forced Palestinians into Jordan or Iraq long before now.

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You want Israel out of the West Bank, dismantle the terror cells. at war with them operating on the West Bank. and explain to their government is open constitution calling for a Sharia law state in Israel that it takes back and fuses with Jordan and the West Bank is not conducive to peace.

Oh hey I know, in your world the state of Palestine does not want to take back Israel.

Do you have problem reading english? The post cleatly says systematic dismantling. What is your problem!?!?

And just incase you accuse me of editing it my post was edited before you sent your edited post accusing my phrase as 'ridiculous'!

Systematic grasp of what you want yo read is ridiculous! Lol

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Rue...

I have no problem by you calling me a lefti on an open online forum. It's feeble...

More to the point....

Are there more important things in the world than the lives of innocent civilians ?

Dare I guess your allegiance which I have known for a very long time but let it suffice to say that this is a shameful time for any Zionist.

Israel has been getting away with MURDER far too long and it's time we addressed the issue of institutional abuse.

Palestinians throw rocks and Israel responds by killing even foreign observers. Building and expanding on illegal settlements. This is madness on a massive scale which the international community would be foolish to ignore.

One thing is for certain, things will not remain as they are and Israels superiority in weaponry will not last forever, which may be the time they will regret their criminal behaviour.

Obama has long distanced himself from Bibi.

As two faced as Bibi comes while the powerless president gives sanctemonious speeches. Hooray for America (NOT).

Israel is and has been a rogue state for a number of years, ignoring international law continuously. For them to claim any legitemacy in their actions now is laughable.

During this period they are likely to make more enemies than they would wish or are likely to be able to deal with in future.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's more than likely to be a duck so let's call a spade a spade and let's call the regime in Israel what it is " a bunch of war criminals" with Netanyahu at the helm.

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Do you have problem reading english? The post cleatly says systematic dismantling.

Systematic grasp of what you want yo read is ridiculous! Lol

I didn't cleatly read your comment. It happens. I apologize. Still think your post was ridiculous and your anti Israel piffle is unoriginal, stale and been done done done. Shameful time to be a Zionist? Israel has been getting away with murder? Your deliberate ignoring of the terror campaign of stabbing innocent Israeli citizens now transpiring?

This is the ridiculousmess I refer to. Shrill partisan name calling and selective take on conflicts. Shameful time for Zionists? Yah the civil war between Shiites and Sunnis, the world wide terrorist attacks by Muslim extremists, the collapse of the Arab world from its infighting, yah its shameful for Zionists.

Obama has long distanced himself from Bibi? Lol. Yah it was one way and by the way Obama never distanced himself as well from Britain, France, Canada, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Germany, Russia, China. Lol. Damn can you be any more silly in raising Obama?

Obama is a Muslim Brotherhood ally whose alliance with them. former Egyptian President Morsi and Erdogan in Turkey alienated him from Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Canada. When he made it clear he was distancing himself from traditiional allies not just Israel where were you?

Germany sent state of the art submarines, China made a naval and military alliance with Israel and Greece made a naval alliance with Israel all known to NATO. Hell France has a military alliance with Russia.because of its distancing itself from Obama. India distanced itself from Obama.

What world do you live in where you judge Israel by its distancing itself from Obama? Tell you what, stand in an elevator after someone farts. Me, I leave and do did Netanyahu. Obama's farting is nothing one sticks around for. There I put it in easy terms to understand. Here's another one, Palestinians stabbing innocent civilians with knives are not victims of Israel for murdering them when they get killed. Its a concept called self defence.

However I am well aware in your world, Jews have no right to be a collective let alone defend themselves.

On that note you see...I have distanced myself from you and by the way I do not find being a Ziionist shameful, never have for the same reason I don't think Catholics feel ashamed of having Vatican City ot Anglicans for having the United Kingdom or Muslims for having sharia law states or Thailand for enshrining Buddhism into its state or Hindus and Siekhs for enshrining their religious beliefs in their state institutions.

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Rue, just a question, if you please, as I don't really wish to engage you in a debate on a topic that absolutely baffles me: does the term, self-defence, carry a different meaning in Israel than it does here? Self-defence tends to apply at the instance of attack. From what I've seen the more correct term is, retribution.

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