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I don't think they can. Regardless of what it stands for, if one chooses (or insists, with downcast eyes and a shaking voice, that one has chosen) to wear it, how can they be forced to remove it?

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I don't think they can. Regardless of what it stands for, if one chooses (or insists, with downcast eyes and a shaking voice, that one has chosen) to wear it, how can they be forced to remove it?

Yes, they probably could.... ban all religious garb? Or hand out a standard uniform? Make a law about showing one's face... like in other instances. There are ways.....

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For most people it stands for the oppression of women,

Not most, no.

The only ones banging that gong are Conservatives ... not historically known for championing women's rights. It's just a convenient excuse to bash Muslims.

Women have a right to dress however they want.

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Of course they do, and I support that right. However, I disagree with you on what the niqab means to most people.

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Of course they do, and I support that right. However, I disagree with you on what the niqab means to most people.

Can you provide evidence for "most"?

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No, it's just my opinion. Can you provide evidence to the contrary?

I'm willing to change my opinion if the evidence is there. Not my opinion of what a niqab means, but my opinion of the percentage of people who agree with me.

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I'm not a conservative, but would like to see a ban to this repugnant cultural practice.

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I'm not a conservative, but would like to see a ban to this repugnant cultural practice.

Not me... I dont personally like them, but I definately think the government should stay out of writing laws with respect to fassion.

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Messages sent by the way one dresses can be interpreted in many different ways - depending on the prejudices of the individual. A healthy looking young lady wearing a very short skirt can be perceived as "looking for sex" or "showing her confidence" or "following existing fashion" or ...

A man wearing an earing can be perceived as a gay person (depending on which side the earing is worn), a really tough individual trying to look like a pirate, a man looking to exemplify sensitivity, a $multi-million athlete who wants to show off his $100,000 diamond earing or ...

How one interprets what someone wears tells a lot more about the observer than the person being observed.

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People who cover their faces for religious purposes based on sexual modesty? Yeah, what evil, horrible people we need to ban from Canada. /sarcasm

People wearing this might as well be holding up a giant red sign that says they're Islamic extremists, and believe in all the same things that ISIS does. No man whose wife wears that should even be considered for Canadian citizenship. They will never adapt to Canada's culture and will do their level best to ensure their children never do either.

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+1 to this.

More importantly, even saying the oath is immaterial. They sign a legal document affirming the oath.

Orthodox Muslims consider oaths made to unbelievers to be without value and unenforceable.

Edited by Argus

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Nope. I don't support those values.

Oh yes you do. You support those values with every fiber of your being. You defend and support the people who hold those values and help encourage them to continue to hold them. You tell them there's nothing wrong with those values and they should ignore or challenge anyone who says otherwise.

The interesting part is you despise anyone white who has the same values you desperately uphold in immigrants.

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I submit that the niqab stands for anything you want it to stand for.

I submit you haven't the slightest idea about what you're talking about.

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This is an astute observation.

It's a moronic observation and the same stupid wishful thinking all the Left engage in. The niquab stands for Islamic extremism and hatred.

That is the kind of people we should be keeping out of Canada, not inviting in and giving them a passport.

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I shudder to think what believing a niqab is worn through choice alone says about that observer...

You know, to a lefty, anyone who even expresses doubts about the wisdom of gay marriage is a disgusting homophobe, and anyone who doesn't believe in complete equality of women is a worthless misogynist.

Unless they're extremist Muslims. Then they're wonderful, cherished people whose delightful cultural habits need to be defended at all cost!

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Oh yes you do. You support those values with every fiber of your being. You defend and support the people who hold those values and help encourage them to continue to hold them. You tell them there's nothing wrong with those values and they should ignore or challenge anyone who says otherwise.

The interesting part is you despise anyone white who has the same values you desperately uphold in immigrants.

Don't speak for me ever again. You're not intelligent enough to step into anyone else's shoes, let alone to presume to know what I think and believe. I made it perfectly clear what I think, so you can take your tantrum throwing bigotry somewhere else.

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It's a moronic observation and the same stupid wishful thinking all the Left engage in. The niquab stands for Islamic extremism and hatred.

That is the kind of people we should be keeping out of Canada, not inviting in and giving them a passport.

The only person making stupid and moronic comments in this thread is you.

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I would go beyond that and add racist. But I guess most of us already get that.

Please point out the racist comment that he made.

His "lefty" remarks are idiotic...

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Well # 37 is probably the most extreme example.

People wearing this might as well be holding up a giant red sign that says they're Islamic extremists, and believe in all the same things that ISIS does. No man whose wife wears that should even be considered for Canadian citizenship. They will never adapt to Canada's culture and will do their level best to ensure their children never do either.

Really? This is racist?

I think anyone who puts a bag over their wife or daughter doesn't hold any Canadian values whatsoever.

You think you can be a mysoginistic religious zealot and conform to Canadian values?

Edited by The_Squid

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People wearing this might as well be holding up a giant red sign that says they're Islamic extremists, and believe in all the same things that ISIS does. No man whose wife wears that should even be considered for Canadian citizenship. They will never adapt to Canada's culture and will do their level best to ensure their children never do either.

:lol:

You ever actually know anyone who wears a niqab or a hijab? There's no relationship between being an Islamic extremist and wearing a niqab, none I've ever heard of. You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I'm concerned about the threat of Islamic terrorism in Canada as much as the next person. I'm not concerned about the threat of a piece of cloth over someone's nose and mouth. One of the most ridiculous posts ever uttered on MLW.

Edited by Moonlight Graham

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Really? This is racist?

I think anyone who puts a bag over their wife or daughter doesn't hold any Canadian values whatsoever.

You think you can be a mysoginistic religious zealot and conform to Canadian values?

Come on, somebody saying that because someone adheres to their religious doctrine that they have probably been raised with. automatically makes them an ISIS terrorist is OK with you. Im no fan of that or any other religion but throwing that kind of shit around is scary. Mid this particular poster sees to hold similar disdain for various races so nothing new.

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