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On my journey as a life long learner, I continue to tackle subjects that I need to learn more about. I am an evolutionist, but is it possible that ID could also be plausible? I'm sure many members here don't think ID is possible. So let me ask:

Is it fair to say that ID is not a part of science?

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Is it fair to say that ID is not a part of science?

In a nutshell ID argues that lifeforms are complex and appear designed and we don't understand how this could happen therefor God. Does that seem valid to you?

ID proponents find a gap in scientific knowledge then propose that a supernatural being is the answer. This could be valid if evidence of interfering supernatural beings existed or even evidence of a super nature. That's not the case, it's not scientific and it's just lazy to make up a ridiculous answer rather than actually solving a problem.

I wonder if students at Liberty University can just use God as an answer to any test question. Why did the Germans wait until Sep 1, 1939 to invade Poland? God. What is the force of attraction between two objects? God.

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In a nutshell ID argues that lifeforms are complex and appear designed and we don't understand how this could happen therefor God. Does that seem valid to you?

ID proponents find a gap in scientific knowledge then propose that a supernatural being is the answer. This could be valid if evidence of interfering supernatural beings existed or even evidence of a super nature. That's not the case, it's not scientific and it's just lazy to make up a ridiculous answer rather than actually solving a problem.

I wonder if students at Liberty University can just use God as an answer to any test question. Why did the Germans wait until Sep 1, 1939 to invade Poland? God. What is the force of attraction between two objects? God.

Thanks Mighty AC. You are very knowledgeable, and even though I've given you a hard time in the past, I respect your opinions.

So would you basically characterize ID as a pseudo science?

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No. It's an orchestrated and deceitful attempt to pass off ridiculous creationist beliefs as science in an attempt to push them into schools.

Do you feel ID is religion masquerading as a science?

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I am not a scientist, and you are not a teacher. Unless you are teaching Trolling 101. Not sure.

I am not a scientist, and you are not a teacher. Unless you are teaching Trolling 101. Not sure.

Do you feel you are qualified to assess whether something is or is not properly a part of science?

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Do you feel you are qualified to assess whether something is or is not properly a part of science?

If you know anything about the scientific method and how it works, you would not be asking this question, 'Mr, Educator'.

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If you know anything about the scientific method and how it works, you would not be asking this question, 'Mr, Educator'.

I'm trying to learn from you, GH. Do you think that by simply understanding the scientific method that you are qualified to assess whether something is or isn't properly part of science?

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Do you feel you are qualified to assess whether something is or is not properly a part of science?

He has as much right to call himself a scientist as you do to call yourself a teacher. Fair is fair.

Intelligent design is just an explanation that thumpers are using too justify how fictional the bible is.

But that is just my opinion and I am entitled to it. Just as they believe the Earth is only 6000 years old and was created on a Thursday. Too each their own.

I have no right to question a persons religious beliefs. I think that is called tolerance. :D

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I have no right to question a persons religious beliefs. I think that is called tolerance. :D

Sure you do. Just as you have a right to question somebody's belief in a living Elvis, homeopathy or that the moon landings actually took place on a Hollywood sound stage. When people seek to use beliefs as the grounds for public policy decisions we are obliged to question them.

Most of us don't really care if a friend or acquaintance believes that positioning their bed so they sleep in the path of good energy will improve their lives. However, when organizations of millions try to enshrine crackpot ideas in law or have them forced on public school kids we have to fight back.

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Sure you do. Just as you have a right to question somebody's belief in a living Elvis, homeopathy or that the moon landings actually took place on a Hollywood sound stage. When people seek to use beliefs as the grounds for public policy decisions we are obliged to question them.

Most of us don't really care if a friend or acquaintance believes that positioning their bed so they sleep in the path of good energy will improve their lives. However, when organizations of millions try to enshrine crackpot ideas in law or have them forced on public school kids we have to fight back.

Mighty AC< which books on the history and philosophy of science have you read?

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On my journey as a life long learner, I continue to tackle subjects that I need to learn more about. I am an evolutionist, but is it possible that ID could also be plausible? I'm sure many members here don't think ID is possible. So let me ask:

Is it fair to say that ID is not a part of science?

You can look this up on a smartphone.

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I agree, Socialist should be using his touted 'discovery method' of learning and apply that to applying the scientific process to ID.

So would you agree that in the history of science, ideas that started out as pseudoscientific may eventually become properly scientific such as the transformation of alchemy into chemistry?

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