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I don't know of any anti Islam folk on this board. I do know there are a few people on here who are anti any proponents of a religion who kill people for not following the tenets of that religion. It just so happens that Islam comes up a lot more than the others when such things are discussed.

That's pretty naive. I think it's been pointed out conclusively that there are certainly bigots on this forum who take their arguments beyond denouncing violence and abhorrent acts like stoning pregnant women.

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JUST LIKE IT!

You can tell by how many countries they've invaded and occupied in the last five years.

:lol:

Does the country have to be under the control of Washington to be under the control of Washington? Has the US not been invading countries for at least a generation by installing dictators and regimes who were more favourable to US political and economic interests? Is that not mostly how the Cold War was fought? America has been invading countries and installing their puppet governments there for a long time now. So while the Nazi rhetoric may seem like a bit much, it's not a stretch to say that the United States is imperialistic and invades countries.

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Constitutionally protected right to bear arms. God bless America.

I agree 100%.

They had a right to bear arms. So did the guys who put lead in their bodies. Good guys won this round.

Wonder if these two idiots had their guns "registered" - because if they had registered them, I'm sure it never would have happened.

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....Wonder if these two idiots had their guns "registered" - because if they had registered them, I'm sure it never would have happened.

Good point....if this had happened in Canada, there would be calls for a cartoon registry by now.

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Does the country have to be under the control of Washington to be under the control of Washington? Has the US not been invading countries for at least a generation by installing dictators and regimes who were more favourable to US political and economic interests? Is that not mostly how the Cold War was fought? America has been invading countries and installing their puppet governments there for a long time now. So while the Nazi rhetoric may seem like a bit much, it's not a stretch to say that the United States is imperialistic and invades countries.

My point is these policies - again, policies that are the stock and trade of any imperial power since the beginning of civilization - can be discussed without facile comparisons to the big bad Nazis who are reviled specifically because of the unique nature of their criminal enterprise.

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Good point....if this had happened in Canada, there would be calls for a cartoon registry by now.

Shows how little you know about Canada. It would be a pencil registry. Geez.

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Has the US not been invading countries for at least a generation by installing dictators and regimes who were more favourable to US political and economic interests?

Yes...just like Canada...in Haiti...or Indonesia...or Eastern Europe. Doesn't mean Canada = Nazis.

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So while the Nazi rhetoric may seem like a bit much, it's not a stretch to say that the United States is imperialistic and invades countries.

If one looks closely at the number of deaths caused directly and indirectly by the USA, the comparison is apt, Cyber.

And remember, the USA is supposed to be the good guys.

Just one example, Cambodia, how many millions killed and injured by the actions of the USA?

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From Pol Pot to ISIS: Anything that flies on everything that moves

by John Pilger

In transmitting President Richard Nixon's orders for a "massive" bombing of Cambodia in 1969, Henry Kissinger said, "Anything that flies on everything that moves". As Barack Obama ignites his seventh war against the Muslim world since he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, the orchestrated hysteria and lies make one almost nostalgic for Kissinger's murderous honesty.

As a witness to the human consequences of aerial savagery - including the beheading of victims, their parts festooning trees and fields - I am not surprised by the disregard of memory and history, yet again. A telling example is the rise to power of Pol Pot and his Khmer Rouge, who had much in common with today's Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS). They, too, were ruthless medievalists who began as a small sect. They, too, were the product of an American-made apocalypse, this time in Asia.

According to Pol Pot, his movement had consisted of "fewer than 5,000 poorly armed guerrillas uncertain about their strategy, tactics, loyalty and leaders". Once Nixon's and Kissinger's B52 bombers had gone to work as part of "Operation Menu", the west's ultimate demon could not believe his luck.

The Americans dropped the equivalent of five Hiroshimas on rural Cambodia during 1969-73. They levelled village after village, returning to bomb the rubble and corpses. The craters left monstrous necklaces of carnage, still visible from the air. The terror was unimaginable. A former Khmer Rouge official described how the survivors "froze up and they would wander around mute for three or four days. Terrified and half-crazy, the people were ready to believe what they were told... That was what made it so easy for the Khmer Rouge to win the people over."

A Finnish Government Commission of Enquiry estimated that 600,000 Cambodians died in the ensuing civil war and described the bombing as the "first stage in a decade of genocide". What Nixon and Kissinger began, Pol Pot, their beneficiary, completed. Under their bombs, the Khmer Rouge grew to a formidable army of 200,000.

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http://johnpilger.com/articles/from-pol-pot-to-isis-anything-that-flies-on-everything-that-moves

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If one looks closely at the number of deaths caused directly and indirectly by the USA, the comparison is apt, Cyber.

So you're saying the U.S. is responsible for the deaths of roughly 50 million people? Gonna need a cite for that one!

Just one example, Cambodia, how many millions killed and injured by the actions of the USA?

So "actions of the U.S.A" now includes actions the U.S. is not directly or even indirectly involved in. How handy!

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My point is these policies - again, policies that are the stock and trade of any imperial power since the beginning of civilization - can be discussed without facile comparisons to the big bad Nazis who are reviled specifically because of the unique nature of their criminal enterprise.

I agree, but only because people see the word Nazi and start to drool on themselves and can't talk about the subject objectively after that.

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I agree, but only because people see the word Nazi and start to drool on themselves and can't talk about the subject objectively after that.

No, as I said, it's a pointless and facile comparison that serves more to minimize the Nazis than vilify the Yanks.

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Well yeah....if you want to make such comparisons, please don't favour "Nazis" over Canada / British Empire, which spread peace and love with military and economic force all around the world !

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My point is these policies - again, policies that are the stock and trade of any imperial power since the beginning of civilization -

There you go again, making excuses for war criminals and terrorists.

can be discussed without facile comparisons to the big bad Nazis who are reviled specifically because of the unique nature of their criminal enterprise.

The comparison is not at all facile; it is apt. Your grand reluctance to venture into the reality of that situation reveals that you really don't want to talk about the two centuries of USA war crimes and terrorism, you just want to make a pretence of doing so - "US policies" indeed - both Iraq and Afghanistan are prime examples of what Justice Jackson talked about - "for our position is that no grievances or policies will justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced and condemned as an instrument of policy."

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Statement by Justice Jackson on War Trials Agreement (August 12, 1945).

We must make clear to the Germans that the wrong for which their fallen leaders are on trial is not that they lost the war, but that they started it. And we must not allow ourselves to be drawn into a trial of the causes of the war, for our position is that no grievances or policies will justify resort to aggressive war. It is utterly renounced and condemned as an instrument of policy.

Statement by Justice Jackson on War Trials Agreement (August 12, 1945).

The privilege of opening the first trial in history for crimes against the peace of the world imposes a grave responsibility. The wrongs which we seek to condemn and punish have been so calculated, so malignant, and so devastating, that civilization cannot tolerate their being ignored, because it cannot survive their being repeated. That four great nations, flushed with victory and stung with injury stay the hand of vengeance and voluntarily submit their captive enemies to the judgment of the law is one of the most significant tributes that Power has ever paid to Reason.

Opening Address to the International Military Tribunal at the Nuremberg Trials (November 10, 1945).

If we can cultivate in the world the idea that aggressive war-making is the way to the prisoner's dock rather than the way to honors, we will have accomplished something toward making the peace more secure.

Opening Address to the International Military Tribunal at the Nuremberg Trials (November 10, 1945).

We must never forget that the record on which we judge these defendants is the record on which history will judge us tomorrow. To pass these defendants a poisoned chalice is to put it to our own lips as well.

Nuremberg Tribunal.

Opening Address to the International Military Tribunal at the Nuremberg Trials (November 10, 1945).

If certain acts of violation of treaties are crimes, they are crimes whether the United States does them or whether Germany does them, and we are not prepared to lay down a rule of criminal conduct against others which we would not be willing to have invoked against us.

International Conference on Military Trials, London, 1945, Dept. of State Pub.No. 3080 (1949), p. 330.

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There you go again, making excuses for war criminals and terrorists.

Like how you're making excuses for the guys who tried to shoot up this Texas thing or even Pol Pot?

BTW: does this mean you don't have a cite showing the U.S. has caused ~50 million deaths?

The comparison is not at all facile; it is apt.

"Facile: appearing neat and comprehensive only by ignoring the true complexities of an issue; superficial."

It's the perfect descriptor.

In your first year undergrad worldview, there are only two actors on the world stage: the all-powerful U.S., whose every action is malign in fact and intent, and everyone else who are reduced to automatons who only respond to the stimulus provided by the U.S.A and who have no motivation or agency of their own.

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All great points. You've convinced me...I am NOT voting for the Nazis. I am also NOT going to vote for the USA.

Maybe that'll make them change their attitudes...

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So you're saying the U.S. is responsible for the deaths of roughly 50 million people? Gonna need a cite for that one!

It's not the numbers that count.

The difference is the US and it's most democratic allies should simply know better than to behave the way we have.

Maybe we're better at being worse.

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It's not the numbers that count.

The difference is the US and it's most democratic allies should simply know better than to behave the way we have.

Maybe we're better at being worse.

Honestly, it beats most of the alternatives.

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Sorry but "turn the other cheek" may work on the playground, but not in international politics and security. "Knowing better" is not the same as "abstaining from action".

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The rise of the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, much like the rise of ISIS in the Levant, falls squarely in the category of unintended consequences. So while both may be the result of U.S. actions, the ultimate blame for the massacre of some 2 million Cambodians lies with the party who carried it out: the Khmer Rouge. It's the difference between understanding cause and effect and finger-pointing to score rhetorical points.

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Black Dog: Like how you're making excuses for the guys who tried to shoot up this Texas thing or even Pol Pot?

Omar: Examples of which you shan't be able to locate.

I'm not making excuses for what happened in Texas. I'm only pointing out its inevitability.

Do you consider Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge to be bad people?

BlackDog: "Facile: appearing neat and comprehensive only by ignoring the true complexities of an issue; superficial."

It's the perfect descriptor.

Omar: What of a person who calls the ultimate war crimes and all included war crimes "foreign policies"?

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The difference is the US and it's most democratic allies should simply know better than to behave the way we have.

Why ? And what does any of this have to do with perfectly legal cartoons ?

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