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Being loud does not win championships. "Southern teams" have won more cups in the past 20 years than some longer established "northern" teams, and ALL teams in Canada.

This is true but many of these teams have followed a very precise draft and develop model, rather than the free agent market. Although they do supplement their teams with free agents like all teams do. Chicago, Boston, Anaheim, LA... many of their best players have come from finishing at the bottom and drafting and developing. Canadian teams not winning cups comes down to more than just not attracting free agents because of weather. some of it also has a lot to do with the fact that there are far fewer Canadian teams compared to American teams. Although we had plenty of chances in the mid 2000's, just couldn't capitalize.

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I don't disagree. Thats why I haven't watched a game since Bettman took over. I was an avid fan but gave it all up when he moved in.

The product on the ice is the best it has ever been. I encourage you to go back and watch old games, you will be amazed at how bad they look. You don't even have to go back that far, before the deterioration in speed, talent, physical play, systems, goal tending, etc. noticeably deteriorate.
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The product on the ice is the best it has ever been. I encourage you to go back and watch old games, you will be amazed at how bad they look. You don't even have to go back that far, before the deterioration in speed, talent, physical play, systems, goal tending, etc. noticeably deteriorate.

It's true. Even as early as the late 80's is an entirely different game.

Vegas would be the best expansion city. Then move the Arizona team to Quebec City.

Vegas will more than likely fail like Arizona in my opinion. It's going to be hard to fill that arena night after night. Canadian travellers go to games that Canadian teams play in. They may be able to fill an arena if the Caps or Pens are into town but if a team like Florida or Philly or Minnesota or Nashville comes through. Theey'll be lucky tobreak even at the gate. Especially in a town where a massive precentage of the population works at night. That leaves very few people with expendable income to go to a hockey game on a given weekday night.

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80s hockey was the best. Hockey today is crap by comparison.

LOL.

Hockey players today are the best they've ever been. Watching games from the 80s is like watching a different sport. The players are so slow, the goalies are so terrible. The problem is the rules of the game haven't kept up.

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Las Vegas has some history and success with minor league hockey franchises, and UNLV has a club hockey team. They certainly can't do any worse than failed NHL franchises in Canadian and northern U.S. cities.

Winnipeg has its team back, Quebec should have its team back. Not sure why Minnesota lost the North Stars but they have the Wild back.

What bugs me is that Bettman would rather put a team in KC or Seattle than another Toronto team or even Quebec. I'm sure he didn't want to lose Atlanta but they threw the keys on the table and the Peg was the only city that had a stadium that could host a team.

32 teams should make the conferences more fair as the East has 16 teams now. Detroit and maybe even Toronto might have to move west though to make it even again. Back to the old Norris Division.

I just think a sport that's seen a niche by most Americans having 32 teams (more than both the MLB and NBA) seems overkill. But that would, hopefully, include 8 Canadian teams so the American saturation is actually less.

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The thing I wonder about is making the season even longer. Assuming each team needs 82 games in order to pay the bills, adding two teams will add another 164 games to a season that is already over 9 months long when you include training camp, exhibitions and playoffs.

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Winnipeg has its team back, Quebec should have its team back. Not sure why Minnesota lost the North Stars but they have the Wild back.

What bugs me is that Bettman would rather put a team in KC or Seattle than another Toronto team or even Quebec. I'm sure he didn't want to lose Atlanta but they threw the keys on the table and the Peg was the only city that had a stadium that could host a team.

Eastern teams get to play most of their games in their own time zone. Adding teams in Seattle and Portland would go a long way to evening things up out west. Vancouver, Seattle and Portland already have big rivalries going in MLS. NHL hockey would be even bigger.

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Winnipeg has its team back, Quebec should have its team back. Not sure why Minnesota lost the North Stars but they have the Wild back.

Owner Norm Green moved the Minnesota North Stars to Dallas because he could not get exclusive rights to a new Minneapolis arena (Target Center) and developers wanted to demolish the smallish Met Center to build the Mall of America. Norm also faced some sexual harassment legal problems if he stayed in Minnesota. Norm Greene, a Canadian developer, is still hated to this day.

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The thing I wonder about is making the season even longer. Assuming each team needs 82 games in order to pay the bills, adding two teams will add another 164 games to a season that is already over 9 months long when you include training camp, exhibitions and playoffs.

I don't follow. The season will still be the same length. Each team will continue to play 82 games, there will just be two more playing games concurrently.
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Eastern teams get to play most of their games in their own time zone. Adding teams in Seattle and Portland would go a long way to evening things up out west. Vancouver, Seattle and Portland already have big rivalries going in MLS. NHL hockey would be even bigger.

It's not good policy to put a team in a small market just because it helps the travel times of the Western teams. But then again this is the league that thought a team in Arizona was a good idea.

I'm sure support for a hockey team in Las Vegas will be strong however. I'm sure the snowbird population that make Tampa a relative success will support a Vegas team. It'll also be another show to attract tourists.

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It's not good policy to put a team in a small market just because it helps the travel times of the Western teams. But then again this is the league that thought a team in Arizona was a good idea.

I'm sure support for a hockey team in Las Vegas will be strong however. I'm sure the snowbird population that make Tampa a relative success will support a Vegas team. It'll also be another show to attract tourists.

Actually realistically from a "people who actually want to and like to watch hockey" point of view, Seattle and Portland will more than likely have far better success than Las Vegas. Having a higher pop. doesn't mean you have more people that want to watch hockey.

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Actually realistically from a "people who actually want to and like to watch hockey" point of view, Seattle and Portland will more than likely have far better success than Las Vegas. Having a higher pop. doesn't mean you have more people that want to watch hockey.

I think a hockey team in Seattle would create a great rivalry between the Cancucks and Seattle. I would love to see that happen. And it would be a tremendous economic benefit to both Washington and BC.

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It's not good policy to put a team in a small market just because it helps the travel times of the Western teams. But then again this is the league that thought a team in Arizona was a good idea.

I'm sure support for a hockey team in Las Vegas will be strong however. I'm sure the snowbird population that make Tampa a relative success will support a Vegas team. It'll also be another show to attract tourists.

Phoenix is swarming with snowbirds every winter. Hasn't helped that franchise much although Canadians can watch their home teams play there for half the cost of seeing them at home.

Americans will support hockey all by themselves in Seattle and and probably Portland.

The Seattle metropolitan area population is pushing 4 million. Not that small a market.

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Population metrics work a little differently in Vegas than other cities. Since, the entertainment industry employs so many and it is operating 24/7, basically the entire city is on shift work. At all times about 1/3 of the population is working and 1/3 is sleeping, leaving less than you would expect to watch hockey. Plus Vegas has more entertainment competition than anywhere else on earth.

Home games will likely be near full of bodies, but I expect most of the seats will be comped or severely discounted by the hotels which own the season tickets. Still, the owners may end up selling more booze, jerseys and other related merch by having a steady stream of new patrons.

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The kickass new MGM owned Vegas arena is located just behind Excalibur and The Luxor and also across the street from New York-New York, which all happen to be MGM resorts. Even if the tickets are comped I'm sure MGM will do just fine when, after the game, 15-20k people are funneled out towards three of their Casinos.

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Population metrics work a little differently in Vegas than other cities. Since, the entertainment industry employs so many and it is operating 24/7, basically the entire city is on shift work. At all times about 1/3 of the population is working and 1/3 is sleeping, leaving less than you would expect to watch hockey.

This is the common perception, but the entire city is not on shift work. There are numerous common 9 to 5 services and associated employment that do not follow the 24 hour hotel and casino shift schedule.

Minor league hockey has been in Las Vegas since I was a kid living there.

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