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Sandra Bland did none of those things and she's not fine. She's dead.

She did all of these things. And that's why she was arrested. She's dead because she was emotionally unstable and killed herself.

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If shoulds were woulds you'd be correct, however, police will lie and cover up for each other as well as sanction those other officers who don't play along. Not sure of the exact figure but over 5000 people in the U.S. were reportedly killed by police since 2000

The US has a lot of violent street gangs who are well-armed - and crazy. Hell, according to the BBC police in Rio killed 1500 people just last year. Imagine that. The police in one city kill three times more people in a year than all police in the US combined do.

I'm not seeking proportionality here or justifying officer deaths but the officer death rate has gone down significantly, especially considering population growth, while the concern over officer safety is leaning toward paranoia and citizen deaths are rising. The paranoia is simply not borne out by the numbers.

I agree, and have said the same thing. They need to revise their training methods. They need to stop training police to be afraid, to have a hand on their gun and fear in their hearts every time they talk to someone.

That's one interpretation of the 'facts' with which I'm sure that all racists would agree.

Why is it stating a statistical fact which even Black civil rights campaigners don't dispute always sets the Left into stupid-mode?

The other, most obvious interpretation in light of the brief history of policing that has been presented to you by WIP, is that

black people are still being disproportionately targeted

I know, eh! How unfair that just because they commit so much crime the police look at them more suspiciously! I mean, there's all those Polish and German street gangs out there terrorizing communities and shooting up the neighbourhood! Why don't the cops start focusing on them, darn it!?

There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.... After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating. -- Jesse Jackson

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Obviously you haven't watched the video, or you happily rejigged what you saw to suit your needs.

I did watch the video. I saw her being uncooperative, antagonistic, refusing to exit the car and physically resisting his effort to pull her out of the car. In that context, her kicking him in the shin doesn't seem all that shocking either. You think Black women don't resist arrest or something?

Here's a lovely case of police brutality against a poor, helpless Black woman! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRno-A6daS8

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I did watch the video. I saw her being uncooperative, antagonistic, refusing to exit the car and physically resisting his effort to pull her out of the car. In that context, her kicking him in the shin doesn't seem all that shocking either. You think Black women don't resist arrest or something?

Here's a lovely case of police brutality against a poor, helpless Black woman! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRno-A6daS8

The only thing "uncooperative she does is not put out the smoke. She doesn't have to, smoking is legal in Texas, especially in your own car. He had no right to ask her to exit the vehicle. He says she kicked him but you don't see it. He did throw her to the ground, you see that in the bystander video. This cop went well beyond his authority. I'm still suspicious about her death but we'll see what the FBI comes up with.

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The US has a lot of violent street gangs who are well-armed - and crazy. Hell, according to the BBC police in Rio killed 1500 people just last year. Imagine that. The police in one city kill three times more people in a year than all police in the US combined do.

I agree, and have said the same thing. They need to revise their training methods. They need to stop training police to be afraid, to have a hand on their gun and fear in their hearts every time they talk to someone.

Why is it stating a statistical fact which even Black civil rights campaigners don't dispute always sets the Left into stupid-mode?

I know, eh! How unfair that just because they commit so much crime the police look at them more suspiciously! I mean, there's all those Polish and German street gangs out there terrorizing communities and shooting up the neighbourhood! Why don't the cops start focusing on them, darn it!?

There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.... After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating. -- Jesse Jackson

So, if you are black you can expect to be harassed and the reasoning is that half the people in jail are the same colour. Natural born suspects. That's just wonderful. Isn't that something like prior restraint or are there different laws for different skin tones? Do shades of black matter? Please, explain like I'm 5.

The police in Rio are well known as the most corrupt force in S. America so.... what's your point? Is it that the people in the states should be thankful that their police forces aren't AS corrupt? My point in bringing up the UK stats is that there are other ways to effectively police without so much violence. Are there no gangs in the UK?

btw, I may be stupid at times but I am neither right nor left. I don't participate in that paradigm which is why you'll never see me post in threads solely related to partisanship. I'm interested in people and how they relate to one another and their environment, not their party politics.

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I know, eh! How unfair that just because they commit so much crime the police look at them more suspiciously! I mean, there's all those Polish and German street gangs out there terrorizing communities and shooting up the neighbourhood! Why don't the cops start focusing on them, darn it!?

There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.... After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating. -- Jesse Jackson

Don't hide your racism behind opportunists like Jesse Jackson! FWIW, I live in a neighbourhood with a high immigrant population from all over the world, but it's those white jackals that I keep my eye on when I'm out at night, because they are the ones who go out of their way to attack random strangers for no good reasons, or throw stuff or shoot paintballs driving by. So, in the Canadian context, which has not experienced the long slavery/Jim Crow legacy of America, you better not feel safe whatever colour you are if you see a gang of white guys approaching you!

In the US context of impoverished mostly black neighbourhoods, as the Atlantic journalist - Ta Naheisi Coates puts it in context of growing up in Chicago:'nobody calls the police in black neighbourhoods except maybe the elderly. To young blacks, the police are just there to stop you and find reasons to write tickets or try to add you to add you to the jail/prison system. If you have a dispute at school or with your neighbours, you have to go with vigilante justice and call up your cousins and friends to go with you. Going the legal route puts you most at risk of being charged for a crime, so it's not considered an option, even in cases of murder and aggravated assault.'

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Even among whites, there are so many video examples of bad things happening when people follow the cop's orders and get out of the car when no charges are being made, that nobody is just going to step out of the car because a policeman asks them to.

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Even among whites, there are so many video examples of bad things happening when people follow the cop's orders and get out of the car when no charges are being made, that nobody is just going to step out of the car because a policeman asks them to.

There are far more examples of "bad things happening" when people do not follow "cop's orders".

Most people are going to exit the vehicle when ordered to do so, because it is a lawful order. Most people in the U.S. are going to ignore "anti-pig advice" gleaned from Google or U.S. television....from across the border.

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Even among whites, there are so many video examples of bad things happening when people follow the cop's orders and get out of the car when no charges are being made, that nobody is just going to step out of the car because a policeman asks them to.

This woman knew her rights and that the cop had no right under the circumstances to order her out of the car, and look what bad things happened to her. Of course there are those around here who think you should just ignore your rights and let an over zealous cop have his way with you. Hopefully this case will evoke some backlash that will help at least maybe require some additional training for cops.

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So, if you are black you can expect to be harassed and the reasoning is that half the people in jail are the same colour.

The point is that young Black men are, because of their disproportionate criminality, interacting with police a lot more than young white men.

The police in Rio are well known as the most corrupt force in S. America so.... what's your point?

It's called 'context'. You should look up the term some time.

My point in bringing up the UK stats is that there are other ways to effectively police without so much violence.

Not if people are shooting at you, which tends not to happen so much in the UK.

Are there no gangs in the UK?

Vicious ones, mostly Black or Muslim, by the way, but they tend not to be so well armed.

btw, I may be stupid at times but I am neither right nor left.

Well I'm not allowed to call you stupid, even if I think you are. As to Right or Left, all the positions you have taken thus far on this site are quite far to the Left. So identifying yourself as anything else seems disingenuous.

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Don't hide your racism behind opportunists like Jesse Jackson! FWIW, I live in a neighbourhood with a high immigrant population from all over the world, but it's those white jackals that I keep my eye on when I'm out at night, because they are the ones who go out of their way to attack random strangers for no good reasons, or throw stuff or shoot paintballs driving by.

It's interesting that you accuse me of racism then make a racist statement in the same paragraph.

I wonder how people would react if I said I don't worry about whites but it's those black animals I worry about when I go out because they attack people at random.

The statistics, btw, say you are lying or delusional. Quite probably both.

So, in the Canadian context, which has not experienced the long slavery/Jim Crow legacy of America, you better not feel safe whatever colour you are if you see a gang of white guys approaching you!

There are no white gangs except the bikers, and they don't attack random people on the street. Swarmings around this neck of the woods are universally blamed on 'youths' which means Somalis. I recall a police inspector in Toronto mistakenly letting it slip that whilte Blacks made up 5% of the population in 52 division they were responsible for 95% of the crime.

In the US context of impoverished mostly black neighbourhoods, as the Atlantic journalist - Ta Naheisi Coates puts it in context of growing up in Chicago:'nobody calls the police in black neighbourhoods except maybe the elderly.

Which is again, nonsense. The police are called by Blacks all the time, mostly to protect them from other Blacks.

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This woman knew her rights and that the cop had no right under the circumstances to order her out of the car,

No, she didn't, nor do you.

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Given her background she knew what her rights were. I would like to know why no one checked on her for over 2 hours given her suicidal tendencies that were uncovered during the process of detaining her. And why the discrepancy in the questionnaires. We still don't know what went wrong during the detainment period leading up to this suicide.

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Even among whites, there are so many video examples of bad things happening when people follow the cop's orders and get out of the car when no charges are being made, that nobody is just going to step out of the car because a policeman asks them to.

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She did all of these things. And that's why she was arrested.

Unh ... No.

Just making it up as usual, eh Argus?!

She was threatened with a taser and pulled out of her car ...

- because she refused to put her cigarette out

- because she tried to call her lawyer.

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Unh ... No.

Just making it up as usual, eh Argus?!

She was threatened with a taser and pulled out of her car ...

- because she refused to put her cigarette out

- because she tried to call her lawyer.

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I wonder also why he couldn't have just bought her story that she changed lanes to get out of his way as he accelerated up behind her, which sees plausible when you view the video. It does of course also show she did the lane change w/o signalling. He could have given her a warning such as he does with the previous person he had pulled over for something as trivial. Did he have to get his quota met, or did it have something to do with a color issue?

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Bland also violated Texas law by driving impaired (marijuana). She made a lot of bad choices...including her last one.

Don't keep trying to flog that bs. A toxicology report after her death, and 3 days after the arrest, has absolutely no merit, whatsoever to the initial arrest.

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I wonder also why he couldn't have just bought her story that she changed lanes to get out of his way as he accelerated up behind her, which sees plausible when you view the video. It does of course also show she did the lane change w/o signalling. He could have given her a warning such as he does with the previous person he had pulled over for something as trivial. Did he have to get his quota met, or did it have something to do with a color issue?

He sure got ignorant pretty fast when she refused to be bullied.

He'd probably call that getting 'uppity'.

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Bland also violated Texas law by driving impaired

There is no reliable evidence to support that.

All the cop 'disrupters' trolling here are really outing themselves on this one !! :lol:

What a friggen waste of taxpayers' money you guys are. 😴

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