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I thought comparing social media outrage to getting hung from a tree in a lynching

The "social media outrage" translates into personal attacks that destroy person's ability to live their life (this guy is in hiding). You also don't understand the point of the word "lynching". It is about mob justice - not murder. The fact that it included murder in the past is incidental to meaning but I am sure people who participated in lynch mobs thought just like you and convinced themselves that the victim deserved what he got and no one has a right to criticize them for dispensing "justice".

BTW: I find it supremely ironic that same people who are so quick to use the word "genocide" to describe forced assimilation object to the use of the word "lynching" to describe online mob justice.

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BTW: I find it supremely ironic that same people who are so quick to use the word "genocide" to describe forced assimilation object to the use of the word "lynching" to describe online mob justice.

I never referred to forced assimilation as genocide, so if by "the same people" you mean me, you're wrong.

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The "social media outrage" translates into personal attacks that destroy person's ability to live their life (this guy is in hiding). You also don't understand the point of the word "lynching". It is about mob justice - not murder. The fact that it included murder in the past is incidental to meaning but I am sure people who participated in lynch mobs thought just like you and convinced themselves that the victim deserved what he got and no one has a right to criticize them for dispensing "justice".BTW: I find it supremely ironic that same people who are so quick to use the word "genocide" to describe forced assimilation object to the use of the word "lynching" to describe online mob justice.

I think people still don't grt it because of an inability to see the big picture. It is a lynch mob driving this. There is no justice system or authorities who have arrested or brought charges, and a person's life is ruined. The mob likes its new found power, and I predict we have only seen the beginning of this new form of mob rule.

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Agreed...how dare those (black) Africans "destroy" natural habitat for agriculture, ranching, and other economic development.

Those "(black) Africans" were only practicing local agriculture until Big Ag arrived in the shape of foreign state and private investors bribing already compromised government officials that allow foreigners to buy up large tracts of land for their own objectives and benefits. This article notes that some major hedge fund vultures are swooping in and joining the land rush: Meet The Millionaires And Billionaires Suddenly Buying Tons Of Land In Africa

When hedge fund managers start buying up vast tracts of farmland in Africa or Asia and Latin America (wherever there's cheap land available), that's a tell that the investors looking for high returns see food production and prices as the next great profit opportunity....sure as hell isn't oil right now!

And where it relates to species extinction is the fact that large numbers of Africans (like elsewhere in the world) are being forced off ancestral lands because deeds and titles to land are modern contrivances that allow the forced expulsion of people off their land.

It's a process that first began in England with a series of 'enclosure' laws that started closing off 'common' lands to peasants, leading to the rush of desperate migrants into cities...just in time...coincidentally enough to provide the workers for the new Industrial Revolution.

The same tactics have been applied all around the world...most recently in Bangladesh, but in Africa, if there is an industrial revolution going on, it's of a much smaller scale, because most peasants just cut and burn further into the grasslands and jungles taking away the last remaining wild habitats for large animals to survive on....and that's where the story intersects with wealthy white hunters in a rush to hunt the last creatures before they are completely extinct!

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....The same tactics have been applied all around the world...most recently in Bangladesh, but in Africa, if there is an industrial revolution going on, it's of a much smaller scale, because most peasants just cut and burn further into the grasslands and jungles taking away the last remaining wild habitats for large animals to survive on....and that's where the story intersects with wealthy white hunters in a rush to hunt the last creatures before they are completely extinct!

Sounds good to me....it's their choice...not ours. 99% of all "creatures" went extinct long before mankind arrived in Africa.

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I think people still don't grt it because of an inability to see the big picture. It is a lynch mob driving this. There is no justice system or authorities who have arrested or brought charges, and a person's life is ruined. The mob likes its new found power, and I predict we have only seen the beginning of this new form of mob rule.

The Zimbabwe government wants to charge him. That's why they have asked for his extradition.

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Sounds good to me....it's their choice...not ours. 99% of all "creatures" went extinct long before mankind arrived in Africa.

I guess we can only be thankful that you're not a mad scientist in possession of a doomsday machine

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Sounds good to me....it's their choice...not ours. 99% of all "creatures" went extinct long before mankind arrived in Africa.

WIP posts a well-researched response and this is your reply? Do you ever have anything of substance to add when it doesn't involve posting weapon porn?

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Fully am aware of domestication!

Domestication actually LIMITS/RESTRICTS and REDUCES wild life!

Not necessarily writing that canned hunting is a good thing. But NOBODY has the MORAL HIGHER AUTHORITY to impose their ethics upon how others may choose to earn a living!

Yes that's right! Those people in South Africa whom choose to maintain a canned hunting ranch are earning a living and generating income! That IS THEIR RIGHT! Are you saying those people do not have a right to earn a living for themselves and their families?

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Slave traders wanted the right to run their business I. Peace. Same as the drug dealers, gun runners, sex slave traders, pesos selling their porn on the Internet...all just trying to earn a living for themselves and their family.

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I guess we can only be thankful that you're not a mad scientist in possession of a doomsday machine

Guess whatever you wish...but you would be very wrong on that account too. Good luck forcing Africans to follow your vision of how they should do things.

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Guess whatever you wish...but you would be very wrong on that account too. Good luck forcing Africans to follow your vision of how they should do things.

The Poacher is facing 15 years in prison. So clearly this hunt wasn't legal. Even these "Africans" you're so caring about aren't having a lax attitude towards this type of hunting.

When the wildlife is gone, who's going to be coming to Africa for anything anymore?

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The Poacher is facing 15 years in prison. So clearly this hunt wasn't legal. Even these "Africans" you're so caring about aren't having a lax attitude towards this type of hunting.

When the wildlife is gone, who's going to be coming to Africa for anything anymore?

No....big game hunting continues today...and tomorrow, as does land development for ag and ranching. "If it pays, it stays".

Who still comes to the U.S. after the loss of natural prairie habitat and animals ?

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No....big game hunting continues today...and tomorrow, as does land development for ag and ranching. "If it pays, it stays".

Who still comes to the U.S. after the loss of natural prairie habitat and animals ?

White rhinos "pay" and they don't see to be staying. So what's your next idea?

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One would have to be pretty stupid or gullible to think that big game hunting does jack all for the local economy or conservation in these backwater places. I guarantee the bulk of the money these rich dicks pay for indulging their bloodlust goes straight into the pocket of whatever local official is handling the licensing and then on to Switzerland or the nearest Mercedes dealership.

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As in Canada and the U.S.. "big game hunting" is a very important economic enterprise that has support from more than hunters and poachers. How dare those "stupid or gullible" black Africans use their resources for such things. Sport hunting of polar bears is legal in Canada...the only country that permits such hunting.

....Legal hunting is not a threat to the sustainability of African wildlife populations. In fact, it is an important conservation technique there, as it is in the United States, and is supported by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and major environmental organizations such as the World Wildlife Fund and the International Union for Conservation of Nature. It brings a variety of benefits to local communities and pumps millions of dollars every year into African economies, some of which is used for conservation efforts. Zimbabwe alone earned $45 million from hunting in 2014, and South Africa earns about $510 million annually.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/08/03/forget-cecil-legal-hunting-benefits-africa/

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As in Canada and the U.S.. "big game hunting" is a very important economic enterprise that has support from more than hunters and poachers. How dare those "stupid or gullible" black Africans use their resources for such things. Sport hunting of polar bears is legal in Canada...the only country that permits such hunting.

....Legal hunting is not a threat to the sustainability of African wildlife populations. In fact, it is an important conservation technique there, as it is in the United States, and is supported by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and major environmental organizations such as the World Wildlife Fund and the International Union for Conservation of Nature. It brings a variety of benefits to local communities and pumps millions of dollars every year into African economies, some of which is used for conservation efforts. Zimbabwe alone earned $45 million from hunting in 2014, and South Africa earns about $510 million annually.

http://dailysignal.com/2015/08/03/forget-cecil-legal-hunting-benefits-africa/

I guess I was wrong: I shouldn't have said "gullible or stupid" when clearly it can be both. Big game hunting is small potatoes: the $500M South Africa earns represents about 0.04% of its GDP (it's also a fraction of what is generated by regular tourists) while 97% of that money never reaches local communities, let alone actual conservation or anti-poaching programs. And of course, as this Cecil case shows, the line between legal big game hunting and illegal hunting/poaching can be blurry, with the former serving as a smokescreen for the latter. But the core support of big game hunting is rich white guys with guns, so your slobbering, reflexive support is right in character.

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Of course.....legal great white hunting in Canada or the U.S. is OK, but not OK for legal hunting in Africa.

The racism and bias is so obvious as to need no more elaboration.

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I find trophy hunting repulsive but that doesn't stop me eating meat. Properly managed hunts can assist in conservation efforts. One problem is the elimination of dominant males from the gene pool and another is law-breaking loons like this dentist.

One minor peeve - shouldn't that be 'phenomenon of public shaming? I fear the singular form may go the way of the great beasts before long.

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