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Top-ism And Selfish Morality

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I am glad to discuss with you both.

I see a difference between you as following:

Freddy​ : If anything , this system we have is as ideal as it gets. The only issues are always at the top. Of course accountability is difficult to execute at the top without having to much power in one hand.

Moonlight Graham​: Capitalism is an economic system that takes advantage of the selfish side of human nature. What if an economic system were designed that was both efficient and that took advantage of the altruistic side of human nature?

I agree with both of you, and have a theory (my own theory) to include your ideas.

I am top-ism, which you can think as the name of my theory, which means always thinking for the being over top and transcending top, and refining any thing under top to the top and then transcending it to the being over top.

Top-ism can be used for faith, any beauty under top can be refined to the top, and then believe a much more beautiful vision of it with the being over top. If see top as now, then under top as history, and over top as future.

To Freddy, "issues are always at the top", so we need creatively to create the being over the top to avoid these issues at the top. You know, for a specific system, there is a specific set of issues which can not solved in the system, we need a new system to transcend the system and then avoid its specific issues all together.

To Moonlight Graham, I admit there is altruistic side of human nature, and even in some relations this side is very strong. However, usually, the selfish side of human nature is more general and deep, and we can use the selfish side to explain the altruistic side, and we can not use the altruistic side to explain the selfish side. Therefore, I created a theory of morality firstly on human selfish nature , and around this core, let the selfish benefits and altruistic benefits grow alternatively. This moral theory with top-ism together, I hope that the creative evolution of human politics and in turn human society may speed up.

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We selfishly look to satisfy our own needs first and help others second after our survival and comforts have been achieved.

Why do you ask? Can't help anyone if your dead

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We selfishly look to satisfy our own needs first and help others second after our survival and comforts have been achieved.

Why do you ask? Can't help anyone if your dead

I see selfishness a little more positive than your opinion. Selfishness in my dictionary, is a domain which has many different levels. For example, as the Prime Minister, his selfishness in international environment may include the benefits of Canadian nation. Selfish morality in this meaning is specific important for MPs, for they represent the people of her or his riding. However, Federal political system is not good to meet the demand of this sort of selfishness, which make the federal politics lack of passion.

"In the United States and the United Kingdom, for example, representatives enjoy considerably more freedom from their parties. Canadian MPs, however, are expected to follow the direction set by their parties' leadership and caucus — even when that direction is in opposition to their views or the demands of their constituents." from

http://mapleleafweb.com/features/house-commons-introduction-canadas-premier-legislative-body

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Hmmm.....are you a top-ist or a bottom-ist? Sounds a bit unrelated to morality. :huh:

As to politics, I think the selfish morality is way too powerful in our present society and we need a redress to the more altruistic aspects. I'm doubtful that this will happen though. A democracy is about social concerns that appeal to the majority and is thus an institute intended to act altruistically. The selfish powers though have more reason to conserve their ever present power and so will always be most attentive to means which disrespect democratic ideals.

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Hmmm.....are you a top-ist or a bottom-ist? Sounds a bit unrelated to morality. :huh:

As to politics, I think the selfish morality is way too powerful in our present society and we need a redress to the more altruistic aspects. I'm doubtful that this will happen though. A democracy is about social concerns that appeal to the majority and is thus an institute intended to act altruistically. The selfish powers though have more reason to conserve their ever present power and so will always be most attentive to means which disrespect democratic ideals.

My top-ism is a philosophy here tries to apply to political domain. My theory of selfish morality is a practical theory for the morality can be practically grows continuously, and can also apply to political domain. Any altruistic morality can not grow continuously, because when altruistic morality to a certain degree will be harmful to self, makes the self can not carry on altruistic morality continuously. As morality bases on selfishness, the self is always in growth. As the self always grows her or his own benefits morally, so although the self is selfish but harmless to public, for any harm to public will turn back to injury the benefits of self, which is carefully prevented by selfish morality.

In another aspect, the selfish morality is much ease to be altruistic, for the altruistic relationship will increase the way to grow the self. In political field, a MP wants to be a minister, a minister wants to be the prime minister, the desire is very ease understood in my theory of top-ism and selfish morality, but is very hard understood in a theory of altruistic morality. Altruistic morality makes contest impossible.

Morality in my mind is the rule you get everything done along without causing any argument. Selfish morality means that all you do for yourself do not cause any argument, for that self growth is not harmful to others, and even is good to others once in need.

In political domain, you should always consider top on top, and also you should always to make yourself strong, if not, you can not win the political position. Once you win the position, you also have not enough preparation to do enough goodness for the people. So, my top-ism and selfish morality theory are very good for good politics.

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My shift to the left...or what you seem to call altruistic morality has nothing to do with which system will be most efficient or profitable. It's about us collectively not being able to afford to let greed be our guide in today's world. If the world was less crowded, less polluted, had more resources, I might still be a libertarian....but the facts are what they are, and I believe we have to start leveling out the huge disparities in how people live in today's world, whether that creates inefficiencies and "free rider" problems or not.

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My shift to the left...or what you seem to call altruistic morality has nothing to do with which system will be most efficient or profitable. It's about us collectively not being able to afford to let greed be our guide in today's world. If the world was less crowded, less polluted, had more resources, I might still be a libertarian....but the facts are what they are, and I believe we have to start leveling out the huge disparities in how people live in today's world, whether that creates inefficiencies and "free rider" problems or not.

I understand what you really mean, and I agree that meaning on appearance. On appearance, the difference is only on name, you call it altruistic morality, I call it selfish morality. Why I use a name very different from you about the same thing, one reason is that the name altruistic morality is easily to be used as disguise by some evil being. The name selfish morality is casted for getting rid of that worry.

However, deeply, you will always see a self there, and others around the self. The selfish morality still works well at such a deep, but the altruistic morality will easily loss its function at this deep.

And, fundamentally, before you want to be altruistic, you should at first have the ability and resources, what are more reasonable from the efforts with selfish morality than from the efforts with altruistic consideration.

So, the selfish morality is more general than the altruistic morality, even in the same personal soul.

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