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He's right in a way, actually, the majority of us were with Haper on the subject but even the most ardent niqab-opposers detested the way he exploited the issue.

I'm not sure what percentage of the population actually agreed with the ban on wearing the niqab during the citizenship ceremony - probably nobody does. The survey that the Harper apologists keep referencing was flawed. The number one reason that people in focus groups gave for wanting the women to remove the niqab was to allow for identification. This showed that most people didn't know this was already being done.

I understand that you consider the niqab a symbol of oppression of women but this was way down the list in terms of the reasons given during the focus groups.

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If Harper had resigned and Kenney had led the Tories into this election the Conservatives would likely have won fairly easily.

Damn. If only the Conservatives had been able to afford you as their adviser, we'd have Prime Minister Kenney. Instead, they had to settle for that Australian with a history of race-baiting. :wacko:

Your sudden shift into the role of wide eyed, devoted admirrer of Trudeau is as strange in its way as Socialist suddenly coming to hate socialists.

Yup. He's a wide-eyed devotee. :rolleyes: And Socialist used to be a real socialist. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I only come around this place for the satire.

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Even after all the CPC endorsements? You guys are sticking to this?

Suggesting that there is bias does not mean that the bias is uniform.

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I understand that you consider the niqab a symbol of oppression of women but this was way down the list in terms of the reasons given during the focus groups.

I never said otherwise.

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I believe that the federal Tories are in the same battle that the provinicial Ontario Tories have been fighting. In Ontario, the Mike Harris far right wing tried to hold on to power after Mike was defeated. They would not accpet that it was the hard conservative policies that the electorate rejected. That party is still trying to get its act together between the moderates and the ideologists. Meanwhile, the L:iberlas keep winning election after election.

The current Conservative party is going to have to decide if it is the Harper Conservatives or the Progressive Conservatives. The leadership fight may decide this. If they decide on the old Harper Conservatives then the Liberals have a long future in power to look forward to.

This battle is pretty serious starting with the fight for interim leader to keeping the losing Conservatives out of the decision making process.

You mean red tory vs blue tory?

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Even prominent member of his own party have concluded that flogging the issue was a (one of) huge mistake.

That's nice, but completely irrelevant to the point at hand.

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Harper apologists like to think so. And yet, that was the point when the election started to turn against Harper.

Uhm, he was behind the whole time. What the niqab issue did was turn Quebecers against the NDP.

It has nothing to do with apologists. The polls have been remarkably consistent since the subject was first raised. Large majorities in every group were opposed to the niqab at citizenship ceremonies. That includes supporters of all five parties, as well as 'new stock Canadians'.

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That's the conservatives main weakness. They think there is some silent majority that agree with them, when that isn't the case.

Are you entirely ignorant of the multiple public opinion polls in the past year and a half which showed immense support for the government position on the niqab?

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Even after all the CPC endorsements? You guys are sticking to this?

When was the last time the Liberal party chose a leader from outside Central Canada?

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Then why did you wish to try and make it a point here?

You said Kenney wouldn't be acceptable as a leader because he supported Harper on the niqab. My point is almost the whole country supported Harper on the niqab.

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When was the last time the Liberal party chose a leader from outside Central Canada?

I wrote my post to equation guy for saying the media is left-wing. What's the relevance of where Liberal leaders come from?

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Not enough to cast a ballot for him so it seems.

Your reply makes no sense given he was not running for office except in his riding, where he won.

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How Canada will look like in 4 year? It will look like the Canada it used to be before these invaders from the western oil sand desert of Alberta hidden as progressive conservatives but in fact the former Reform Party members took over this country. A peace making country internationally and a caring free democratic country nationally.

First, you're in the wrong topic. Second, your reply is inane and sophomoric.

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I thought you were all about playing the ball and not the man. Oh yeah, that was on another thread as well.

I directly addressed the reply, not the player. And the reply WAS inane and sophomoric. Or are you going to agree with what he said?

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Are you entirely ignorant of the multiple public opinion polls in the past year and a half which showed immense support for the government position on the niqab?

Most people agree, but that doesn't mean most people care that much. There are far more important issues.

Maybe if the conservatives focused more on the TPP or national security during the last weeks they would have done better. Focusing on the niqab and using fear tactics about legalization of marijuana was a terrible strategy.

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I directly addressed the reply, not the player. And the reply WAS inane and sophomoric. Or are you going to agree with what he said?

If you don't agree then debate to the contrary or rebuff the argument instead of making personal attacks or attacking the comments using insulting words without proposing an alternative positive statement. This is the civil way of doing things.

Which part you don't agree the fact that they were outsiders to Eastern Canada from out west or the fact that Canada would be a better place in 4 years time?

ps - I moved the post as I realized it was misplaced.

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And why would that be? Kenney is smart, personable and bilingual. What's your issue with him? Not Liberal enough?

He's smart to be sure. He's also seen, even in the Tory ranks, as one of the party's leading social conservatives, and also as one of Harper's lieutenants. While I think he has the best shot at becoming leader at this point, he's going to have soften his own harder right instincts.

And really, the only reason he has an edge is because he's been quietly building a leadership team for at least 18 months.

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