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Why did you make it about my job and why are you so supportive of corporate Canada?

You seem to be enthusiastic about bringing masses of people here willing to work cheap. So the first person who loses their job ought to be you. Karma, eh?

I don't support corporate Canada. I would cut immigration in half and redirect it to those with needed trades skills.

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*shrugs*. I expected that from well before the election, regardless of who got in. At least Trudeau was slightly more realistic than the other two.

There is ZERO evidence to support your statement. I believe a Consevative government would have delayed programs and cut back on others because they've made balancing the budget the keystone of who they are. I don't know what the NDP would have done, of course, but Mulcair strikes me as a guy who would try very hard to conform to his promise.

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Argus I've read many of your posts your opinion is well known to anyone reading these boards. What I can't figure out is what really drives you to continue saying the same thing over and over and over again.

I don't say the same thing over and over again except were rebutting those who keep giving incorrect information. But if pointing out that you are completely wrong in trying to suggest Trudeau is more 'honest' than his predecessors hurts your feelings feel free to try and defend your statement. We discuss positions and opinions here, not the motivation of those who post them.

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There is ZERO evidence to support your statement. I believe a Consevative government would have delayed programs and cut back on others because they've made balancing the budget the keystone of who they are. I don't know what the NDP would have done, of course, but Mulcair strikes me as a guy who would try very hard to conform to his promise.

My statement was about what I expected; I don't see how a statement of my past expectations requires evidence.

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I believe a Conservative government would have delayed programs and cut back on others because they've made balancing the budget the keystone of who they are.

considering the 6 deficits they did run... and the absolute BS the Harper Conservative 2014/15 forecast turned out to be... just, as you say, "who are the Conservatives"?

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considering the 6 deficits they did run... and the absolute BS the Harper Conservative 2014/15 forecast turned out to be... just, as you say, "who are the Conservatives"?

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You mean the deficits forced on them by the other parties during the worst recession in memory?

Their balanced budget forecast was accurate when they made it, but things deteriorated rapidly.

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You mean the deficits forced on them by the other parties during the worst recession in memory?

Their balanced budget forecast was accurate when they made it, but things deteriorated rapidly.

which (Conservative) government held a majority during the deficit years of 2011, 2012, 2013 and 2014? :lol: Same ole, same ole... no accountability for (Harper) Conservatives... evah! A majority government always being made to run deficits by those wascally, in minority, Opposition parties! Some, as you say, "keystone of who the Conservative Party is", hey!

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You mean the deficits forced on them by the other parties during the worst recession in memory?

Why is the Conservative never at fault:

We lost the election because of Liberal media (not because we screwed up enough times that the electorate got sick of us)

We were forced to break our promise because the other guys made us (not - we could have set different priorities: hired fewer senators, done less warmongering, kept the GST at 7%).

One does wonder just when Conservatives and their supporters will take responsiblity.

Their balanced budget forecast was accurate when they made it, but things deteriorated rapidly.

Yeah, and no doubt Liberals forecast was accurate when they made it, but things deteriorated rapidly when they got into office and found out just how cooked the books were, never mind that the world economy still isn't all that great. This government is facing some of the same challenges you happily forgive Harper to run deficits on, so why do Conservatives get a pass, but not the Liberals?

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Why is the Conservative never at fault:

Sometimes they are. I have criticized them in the past and been fairly unforgiving about some things they have done.

Nonetheless, this continuing meme among the Left blaming them for the deficit is disingenuous intellectual bankruptcy given the Left demanded huge economic incentive programs, and given the Left squealed like pigs as the Tories began to cut back to balance the books.

It has always been a running theme among the Left that any government cutbacks are wrong, that the government must continue to increase the amount of money they throw at every conceivable problem and issue, and that not doing so is a moral failing.

The Lefties are kind and caring because they want to help people, while the righties are cold and cruel and heartless because they don't want to bankrupt the country by throwing money at every cause in existence.

Yeah, and no doubt Liberals forecast was accurate when they made it, but things changed when they got into office and found out just how ]cooked the books were

My point was that the Tories would have adjusted to the real world situation and made further cutbacks in order to keep the books balanced, while the Liberals don't really care, and will continue full bore ahead on increasing spending. The claim the Liberals were ignorant of the economic realities fails the smell test given what they were saying about the Conservative balanced books before and during the election. They knew very well what the situation was. They simply lied. And they will continue to blame the Conservatives for the next ten years of deficits, just like the Ontario Liberals have done.

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You seem to be enthusiastic about bringing masses of people here willing to work cheap.

Not as enthusiastic as I am to stop corporations from moving our economy overseas to take advantage of people who have little means to advance their rights or protect their environment. Places where activists get the crap beaten out of them by billy-club wielding cops and worse on a routine basis - your kind of place for sure.

So the first person who loses their job ought to be you. Karma, eh?

No, my job requires a lot of local knowledge that immigrants couldn't possibly bring with them. Your's on the other hand could be done by anyone who can add and subtract.

I don't support corporate Canada. I would cut immigration in half and redirect it to those with needed trades skills.

I figure as long as the world is borderless for corporations it should also be borderless for human beings. We're people too after all.
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Not as enthusiastic as I am to stop corporations from moving our economy overseas to take advantage of people who have little means to advance their rights or protect their environment. Places where activists get the crap beaten out of them by billy-club wielding cops and worse on a routine basis - your kind of place for sure.

When activists act like bullies they deserve to be beat up.

No, my job requires a lot of local knowledge that immigrants couldn't possibly bring with them. Your's on the other hand could be done by anyone who can add and subtract.

Ah, so you don't care about bringing over masses of people who will take the jobs from Canadians at lower prices so long as it doesn't affect you?

You don't even know what I do, btw.

I figure as long as the world is borderless for corporations it should also be borderless for human beings. We're people too after all.

I assure you the corporate world thanks you for their support. There's nothing they want better than to be able to farm out work to desperate people at miniscule wages.

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When activists act like bullies they deserve to be beat up.

Activists feel that when governments and corporations act like hypocrites they need to be stopped.

Ah, so you don't care about bringing over masses of people who will take the jobs from Canadians at lower prices so long as it doesn't affect you?

That's not what I said at all. Guaranteed annual incomes, minimum living wages, tax benefit for volunteers would all quite handily maintain our standard of living...in lieu of trade sanctions and price controls that strip exploitive corporations of their ill-gotten gains in the dictatorships they set up shop.

You don't even know what I do, btw.

You're an accountant.

I assure you the corporate world thanks you for their support. There's nothing they want better than to be able to farm out work to desperate people at miniscule wages.

Oh yes there is, they'd much rather move to places where people are contained within a border so the regime governing them allows their people and environments to be exploited.
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It's pretty clear that Justin Trudeau picked a number out of thin air and didn't really give much thought to the actual logistics involved.This is why the numbers and time frames keep changing.I think the same kind of thinking applies to most of his campaign platform.

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When I'm faced with a crisis I kinda think on my feet as things unfold and change too. Everything usually comes out in the wash though.

Don't get me wrong, it's actually refreshing as hell that so many people are so hung up on this business of holding politicians to their promises as if they were the end all and be all. This notion that politicians should be held to account for their promises is sound but maybe we should pick a target that's within a more realistic timeframe and isn't moving so quickly, like the date of a fixed election or reforming how we hold them for example.

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It's all about holding them accountable for making ridiculously mis-informed decisions in the first place. Making a commitment to responsibly increase and prioritize the inflow of Syrian refugees is honourable. Completely ignoring the human consequences in making commitments that bear have no semblance of reality is not. The truth is, the vast, vast majority of Syrian refugees do not want to come to Canada - they want to stay closer to home and hopefully, one day return. That's only one element of this misguided attempt to shoehorn 25,000 government-sponsored Syrian refugees into an election promise that was made only to score points against the more practical approaches of the other two parties.

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Agreement. There is apparently problems finding even 10,000 that want to come to Canada. Not only do many not want to stray too far from Syria, those willing to stray would rather stray to Germany or the UK (et al) where the welfare package is far more generous.

Seeing there is a problem finding folks, one has to wonder how far down the barrel they'll scrape to find 25,000+...50,000...whatever.

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I don't. I'm not the one presuming how far down the barrel they'll be scraping.

They're already having problems finding 5,000 let alone 50,000. What further incentive will be needed to fill those chairs? More money? A free house? What?

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They're already having problems finding 5,000 let alone 50,000. What further incentive will be needed to fill those chairs? More money? A free house? What?

Who said we're going to offer any further incentives? It's not surprising that people are reluctant to stray too far from their home. It won't be a problem to fill 50,000 spots out of millions - no barrel scraping required.

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Who said we're going to offer any further incentives? It's not surprising that people are reluctant to stray too far from their home. It won't be a problem to fill 50,000 spots out of millions - no barrel scraping required.

Sorry...but that's not what I am hearing. For example...

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/12/23/canada-could-miss-goal-of-10000-syrians-refugees-arriving-this-year.html

I was under the impression there is some sort of CRISIS going on. Certain European countries are swamped with 'Syrians' fleeing the usual suspects.

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I'm certain we won't meet any timeline at this point. I'm also certain we'll have no problem meeting the actual target. No one wants to leave their home for good. It's just human nature.

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I'm certain we won't meet any timeline at this point. I'm also certain we'll have no problem meeting the actual target. No one wants to leave their home for good. It's just human nature.

Tell that to Europe...lol. 'Syrians' seem just fine with leaving their dear homes in that region. Are our 'Syrians' different?

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