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https://twitter.com/ezralevant

One of the worst offenders.

I like Ezra. I've never heard him say anything remotely prejudicial, nor have I ever heard him incite people to harm others.

He does state facts and hard truths though.

Talk about laziness. Ppl on the left discount him as they don't agree with his political leanings, so they never take a second to check the veracity of his facts.

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IMHO, this is all a clear example of opportunity lost. Once we leave school (and in many cases long before) our thirst for knowledge is largely changed into our thirst for self-gratification. We have the ultimate in communication tools today: dirt cheap television, telephone and internet - and do we use it by and large to learn more about the world? Nah, we use it to distribute porn, commercial exploitation of greed, the mind-numbing BS of "reality TV" (all pretty much devoid of any link whatsoever to reality) and "news" parroted by mindless talking heads with no real idea of ANY of their subject matter.

That kind of universal ignorance in a world in tremendous communication techology leaves a vacuum into which many opportunists can pump their vitriol. That is how ISIS, religion, BS politics, commercial exploitation, and a host of others win the empty minds of the masses. Complicate that by sickeningly uneven distribution of wealth and opportunity, and you have the formula for easy racist response to a rather poorly reported news story.

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We are letting in people from a religion that does not get along with others. Attacking mosques and muslims is a coward way to go, but just looking the other way and bring in 25000 just so you look good is also not a good idea. Let remember the UN vetting rules states ,you can be a member of a terrorist group and still be allowed to become a refugee. Trudeau job as PM is to the Canadian people, not to the Syrians or anyone else.

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And another problem is posts like this that lump Canadian's concern about a reckless refugee program in with burning mosques and beating of Muslim women. Why do those on the left always feel the need to introduce an element of untruth to bolster their arguments. No point in trying to have an intelligent conversation about it when one side is always driving the propaganda.

The plan to bring in refugees is being called 'reckless', 'too hasty', 'too dangerous'. Yet, people have generally don't know what security measures are in place or security measures that are planned. How can anyone determine if a plan is reckless if they don't even know what the plan is? You may fault me for raising concerns that you think are unrelated, but I fault you for characterizing a plan about which you currently know very little as 'reckless'.

Just recently we saw a situation where 'concern' about one woman wearing a niqab during a ceremony ultimately led to the governing party to promise a 'barbaric practices hotline' and some people also wanting to ban niqabs everywhere in public. That escalation took three weeks. If the government, bowing to public pressure, says they'll move more slowly in bringing in refugees, the next thing will be ... don't bring in so many or don't bring in any; that is happening in the States already. And as the anti-refugee sentiment is fed, it will grow, so too will the violence against people who look like those refugees.

Ultimately, the government may not be able to get them all here by year's end, but I hope it's really due to logistics, not bowing to public pressure.

And, just in case anyone wonders, I would love to accept some refugees into my home, if I had the space.

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I consider it ironic that the same people that will always classify acts of Islamic terrorism as "isolated" and not representative of the Muslim population will accuse Canadians of being Islamaphobic in response to two acts of crime in Ontario before even knowing the true intent of the perpetrators.

I wonder how many acts of Arson and Mugging happen daily in Canada? When the victim is a Muslim, suddenly Islamaphobia is a serious problem in Canada?

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http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2015001/article/14191-eng.htm#a19

Muslim women experience the highest percentage of religions hate crime of all religious women in Canada at 47%.

A very misleading statement. Muslim women experience 47% of the 6.2 hate crimes / 100,000 people. That means 2.9 Muslim women per 100,000 experience hate crimes.

Meanwhile, Jews are victims of hate crimes at a rate almost 10 times higher than Muslims: 54.9 / 100,000 people. Even if only 10% of the Jews that experience hate crimes are women (the % is not given in the article), that's would still be 5.5 Jewish women per 100,000.

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I consider it ironic that the same people that will always classify acts of Islamic terrorism as "isolated" and not representative of the Muslim population will accuse Canadians of being Islamaphobic in response to two acts of crime in Ontario before even knowing the true intent of the perpetrators.

I wonder how many acts of Arson and Mugging happen daily in Canada? When the victim is a Muslim, suddenly Islamaphobia is a serious problem in Canada?

Given that the woman who was mugged was also called a terrorist, and told to 'go back to your country, you piece of shit', it's hard not to conclude that it's motivated by anti-Muslim feeling. The police classed the mosque burning as a hate crime, so again - not hard to determine this was anti-Muslim motivated.

You are right, these two acts of anti-Muslim terrorism are not representative of the Canadian people, and I hope it stays that way. I believe that the more people who speak out against anti-Muslim attitudes, the less likely such incidences are to keep occurring in Canada.

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Given that the woman who was mugged was also called a terrorist, and told to 'go back to your country, you piece of shit', it's hard not to conclude that it's motivated by anti-Muslim feeling. The police classed the mosque burning as a hate crime, so again - not hard to determine this was anti-Muslim motivated.

You are right, these two acts of anti-Muslim terrorism are not representative of the Canadian people, and I hope it stays that way. I believe that the more people who speak out against anti-Muslim attitudes, the less likely such incidences are to keep occurring in Canada.

How about just speaking out against mugging and assaulting women (or anyone for that matter) and setting fire to private property.

I was told on this site that we shouldn't see things like female circumcision and honour killing aren't anything more appalling than any form of domestic violence committed by someone from another ethnic group.

That should work both ways. Crime is crime.

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A very misleading statement. Muslim women experience 47% of the 6.2 hate crimes / 100,000 people. That means 2.9 Muslim women per 100,000 experience hate crimes.

Meanwhile, Jews are victims of hate crimes at a rate almost 10 times higher than Muslims: 54.9 / 100,000 people. Even if only 10% of the Jews that experience hate crimes are women (the % is not given in the article), that's would still be 5.5 Jewish women per 100,000.

Good take.

But I think the fact that a woman is a Muslim in the first place is an indicator that 100% of Muslim women are experiencing religious hate crimes nearly everyday.

But that's a different perspective.

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Good take.

But I think the fact that a woman is a Muslim in the first place is an indicator that 100% of Muslim women are experiencing religious hate crimes nearly everyday.

But that's a different perspective.

Yeah but we should only care when whitey is committing the crime right? ;)

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How about just speaking out against mugging and assaulting women (or anyone for that matter) and setting fire to private property.

I was told on this site that we shouldn't see things like female circumcision and honour killing aren't anything more appalling than any form of domestic violence committed by someone from another ethnic group.

Fourteen out of 29 countries that practice FGM are predominantly Christian. Honor killings are practiced by Christians, Jews and Sikhs, as well as Muslims around the world. These are issues of domestic abuse; what else could they be? IMO, a white Canadian women who is rendered infertile because her white Canadian boyfriend shoved a coat hanger into her uterus is equally as horrendous as an African girl mutilated by her family to keep her pure or chaste. A Canadian woman killed by her husband is just as dead as a Jewish woman killed by her father.

Yes, we should speak out against assaulting people, and setting fire to private property and both are against the law. We should also strive not to provide additional 'justification' for those who are inclined that way by inciting fear of and hatred toward one particular group.

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Yes, we should speak out against assaulting people, and setting fire to private property and both are against the law. We should also strive not to provide additional 'justification' for those who are inclined that way by inciting fear of and hatred toward one particular group.

Who's doing that? I can't speak for people who think Muslims that live here should have to answer because of acts of terrorism in France. Just like I shouldn't have to answer for those same people who commit those crimes because they may share my heritage or religion. And again we have no idea who committed these crimes yet. No one has been charged yet.

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I like Ezra. I've never heard him say anything remotely prejudicial, nor have I ever heard him incite people to harm others.

He does state facts and hard truths though.

Talk about laziness. Ppl on the left discount him as they don't agree with his political leanings, so they never take a second to check the veracity of his facts.

LOL.

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I picked the 2nd link (I have always liked the globe) and didn't understand the 'shouted down' part. Maybe you can excerpt that for us ?

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I picked the 2nd link (I have always liked the globe) and didn't understand the 'shouted down' part. Maybe you can excerpt that for us ?

That was more of a link to educate on the type of person Manji is. She wrote a book, the Trouble with Islam. Then next link has an example of how Indonesia tried to ban her from speaking.

The top link from Time is the most recent example.

Here's her interview with Bill Maher last Friday.

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Remember if we bring in these people and some are hard core terrorists, what happens. You know what happens, we keep them. Once there are here it does not matter who they are ,we cant get rid of them. So when the liberals say we will vet them when we get here is a bold face lie, because it does not matter, there are now our problem. It Trudeau goes thru with this with no regard for the rest of us, he should resign. I have no problem with people coming here, but we just cant take who ever shows up at the door. This is what is dividing the country. Islamic countries have had centuries to get their act together and they have failed. We have been around a couple hundred yrs and look at the great country we have built.

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I'm sure they have cells in Canada too. I'm sure I'm a lot more likely to be killed by another white person too.

In what way? The bulk of murders in Canada fall into two categories. The first is criminals killing criminals. The second is relationship killing. So if you are going to be killed by a white person it is your girlfriend, or someone you are involved in crimes with.

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I hold warmongers just as responsible as the terrorists for these attacks on innocent people.

I hold peacemongers as even more responsible than the terrorists. The terrorists do what they do. They are animals, after all. It is the peacemongers who aid and assist them at every opportunity by doing everything in their power to restrain the authorities from dealing with them.

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We are letting in people from a religion that does not get along with others.

I am not Muslim and I get along with pretty much all the Muslims I have met. Are you experiencing something different when you meet Muslims? Have you met any Muslims?

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So, what you're saying is that these muslims already have cells set-up in top european cities. That's reassuring!

Reassuring or not, it's irrelevant when it comes to your earlier point which I refuted. Paris wasn't carried by the syrian refugee as you claimed.

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http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2015001/article/14191-eng.htm#a19

Muslim women experience the highest percentage of religions hate crime of all religious women in Canada at 47%.

From your cite.

It is important to note, however, that, according to the 2011 National Household Survey, 88% of the Muslim population were also members of visible minority groups such as Arab and West Asian or South Asian, and may also be targeted by hate crimes motivated by race or ethnicity

The total number of incidents for the whole year across the whole country was 65 and he majority were 'mischief'. Gee, I guess we should call a state of emergency over this, huh?

I just don't understand why some people are determined to exaggerate things like this into some kind of terrible crisis.

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Remember if we bring in these people and some are hard core terrorists, what happens. You know what happens, we keep them. Once there are here it does not matter who they are ,we cant get rid of them. So when the liberals say we will vet them when we get here is a bold face lie, because it does not matter, there are now our problem. It Trudeau goes thru with this with no regard for the rest of us, he should resign. I have no problem with people coming here, but we just cant take who ever shows up at the door. This is what is dividing the country. Islamic countries have had centuries to get their act together and they have failed. We have been around a couple hundred yrs and look at the great country we have built.

And this country was built by a majority of people who just showed up at the door.

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I hold peacemongers as even more responsible than the terrorists. The terrorists do what they do. They are animals, after all. It is the peacemongers who aid and assist them at every opportunity by doing everything in their power to restrain the authorities from dealing with them.

It was the warmongers who allowed ISIS to be created. If Iraq was not attacked by the West, ISIS would not have been born.

If "peacemongers" were in power, ISIS would not have been born.

You don't need to apologize, but the least you could do is to learn from your mistake.

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