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It seems America is determined to antagonize China over those tiny Spratly islands that nobody wanted until natural gas and oil was discovered five years ago. Vietnam, and the Phillipines have their own military forces and mutual defense treaties with America, yet America keeps provoking China claiming they will put nuclear subs in the Philippines. Sorry to say, but it seems as if they want to provoke a conflict in the South China Sea - not avoid one. So if the shit hits the proverbial fan, should Canada get involved with troops, arms, or anything more than verbal support, if even that?

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It seems America is determined to antagonize China over those tiny Spratly islands that nobody wanted until natural gas and oil was discovered five years ago.

China suddenly decides that it has a right to islands that are far away from China yet right off the coasts of other countries based on the ridiculous premise that Chinese boats sailed by them 500 years ago. Yet you have no issue with Chinese aggression?

China does not need these islands and if China was more mature politically it would understand that its long term interests would be better served by not making an issue out them. Unfortunately, China is not mature politically and feels it has to annex territories it does not own to 'save face'. This leaves other countries with no choice but to express their displeasure. The US gets involved because it has developed a network of mutually beneficial alliances over the years and preserving the integrity of these alliances is important to the US.

If China really thinks it has a case it should take it to the International Court. Annexing islands by force is an act of war.

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China suddenly decides that it has a right to islands that are far away from China yet right off the coasts of other countries based on the ridiculous premise that Chinese boats sailed by them 500 years ago. Yet you have no issue with Chinese aggression?

Has China lost it's senses?

They're provoking a culture (ours) that's still kicking Islam's ass for trying to take our oil away from us 1500 year's ago? What is China thinking, doesn't it realize that's our oil and gas under those island's.

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If a shooting war developed between the Chinese and the Americans in the South China Sea, even if we wanted to involve ourselves, there would be very little Canada could contribute outside an ancillary token..........I wouldn't loose sleep over it.

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It seems America is determined to antagonize China over those tiny Spratly islands that nobody wanted until natural gas and oil was discovered five years ago. Vietnam, and the Phillipines have their own military forces and mutual defense treaties with America, yet America keeps provoking China claiming they will put nuclear subs in the Philippines. Sorry to say, but it seems as if they want to provoke a conflict in the South China Sea - not avoid one. So if the shit hits the proverbial fan, should Canada get involved with troops, arms, or anything more than verbal support, if even that?

Is there a supporting link that describes the conflict?

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It seems America is determined to antagonize China over those tiny Spratly islands that nobody wanted until natural gas and oil was discovered five years ago. Vietnam, and the Phillipines have their own military forces and mutual defense treaties with America, yet America keeps provoking China claiming they will put nuclear subs in the Philippines.

You can't put a submarine in the Philippines, though perhaps in the waters around it... US subs will go wherever in international waters they want to go and that includes the South China sea. China's ridiculous position that it owns everything hundreds of miles from its coast based on islands it is creating by dredging up dirt is laughable anywhere outside of the peoples communist republic. It is provoking and bullying its neighbors and if it gets punched back it deserves it.

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The UN, you still believe in that topaz. The UN is just a place that dictators get to hang out in. With all the money the UN receives, it could not invaded a boy scout camp. I wish the UN was exactly as Pearson wanted, but now if Pearson seen what it has turned into, he would not be pleased. Jusdt think if we had a UN with teeth. It could have surrounded refugee camps, and made them safer and a lot more pleasant for the people that have to use them. But we will spend 1-2 billions dollars to bring a handful over here. The UN needs a over haul or just shut down.

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The UN is all we have , if we depend on NATO, we would be at war all the time, which by the way, it seems right now. Every time ISIS comes out and takes credit I keep thinking of the backers of this terrorists group which has names of Israel, Saudi Arabia and the US in many articles and wonder how many other countries are saying one thing and doing another for their own interest.

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China would be silly to provoke America into a war. As it stands right now, it is a one way relationship. America builds factories in China, those factories send goods back to America, and money into China. What does America stand to lose in a war? Well they get back all their factories and about 10 million manufacturing jobs, and the bleeding of money overseas weakening its own position. What does China win in a war? Even if they win, theyd estroy the country where all their money comes from. For America it is a win, win. If the Chinese were smart they'd avoid conflict with usa as much as possible.

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Special Delivery your question was based on a false premises. The US had not initiated any policy in the South China Ses since Obama was elected. In fact because Obama in each and every speech on foreign policy indicates the US is no longer a superpower, it signalled China, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and extremist Muslim terrorists to feel free to operate without a fail safe to reign them in.

What you see in the South Chinese sea is a direct response to the vacuum in wrld leaership Obama signalled by pulling the US out.Of course China moved in. The US was its only check and balance in the area.

It has initiated illegal expansionism in the South China sea illegally seizing islands and engaging in acts of war against Vietnam, It directly has threatened and invaded Japanese, South Korean, Filippino, Taiwanese, Russian as well as Vietnamese waters as a show of exansionism and a disregard for international law or working bilaterally ormultilaterally with these other nations.

China has taken advantage of not only the Obama signalling the US wil be toothless under his regime, but the North Korean fiasco. Without the US countering North Korea, the very nations in the South Pacific it now harsses and gives the finger to, depend on China not the US to control North Korea so of course it flexes.

It was the Philippines that asked the US to engage in joint air flights. The US did not initiate that request and is reluctant to do so and at this point Obama said no.

China's building of its naval fleet over the last 20 years makes it the no.1 military power in the South China Seas.

Hilary Clinton will not change that if elected. She has made clear she will continue eactly with Obama foreign policy.

A Republican President looking more and more unlikely given the damage Trump is doing and will do to split the Conservative vote allowing Clinton to get elected might engage in a different policy.

Clinton is pro China. Her husband's no. 1 financial supporter to get elected was the People's Republic. Under Bill Clinton, China was given full access to controlling and buying out the US economy. Hilary is owned by China.

Unfortunately as Vietnam found out when China attacked it and seized its oil fields, the world says zero when it comes to China. The UN is a joke. It has remained silent on China illegally seizing land not belong to it, or illegally building man made islands to seize international waters in blatant violation of international law and the law of the seas.

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