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At the moment they are about $50M less in CAD based on the latest buys by the USN.

Canada doesn't get that price....expect to pay more. Canada's contracts are designed to self-destruct with each change in government.

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Canada doesn't get that price....expect to pay more. Canada's contracts are designed to self-destruct with each change in government.

That's right, as more and more countries step back by cancelling/downsizing orders, the F 35 costs just go up, along with the software snags etc. Luckily we have had the good sense to step back too.

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I was comparing the price that the USAF pays for the F-35 to the price the USN pays for the Super Hornet. I'm not an idiot.

Why don't you actually compare the prices than? With engines, avionics, ECM/targeting pods, the USN is paying well over $70 million per Super Hornet (nearly $90 million per Growler).......

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The USN is keeping the Super Hornet to about 2040. I doubt we'd have a problem keeping it to 2050.

Ahh no, the USN (and RAAF) will retire their fleets in the 2030s........based on the expected ~40 service of our current Hornets, we will be flying their replacements through to the 2060s.......

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Why don't you actually compare the prices than? With engines, avionics, ECM/targeting pods, the USN is paying well over $70 million per Super Hornet (nearly $90 million per Growler).......

That's right, and they're paying over $110M US per F-35A with similar equipment. Thanks for playing.

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Ahh no, the USN (and RAAF) will retire their fleets in the 2030s

Just like the F-18s that they retired exactly on schedule.

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Canada doesn't get that price....expect to pay more.

For either, meaning that the price differential stands.

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Canada doesn't get that price....expect to pay more. Canada's contracts are designed to self-destruct with each change in government.

The USN doesn't get that price.....but you're right, unlike the price we would pay for the F-35, afforded with membership in the program (which the Liberals are still paying into) which is equal to what the Americans would pay, a Super Hornet purchase would be full pull.

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Just like the F-18s that they retired exactly on schedule.

further to that:

The Navy had been planning for the Super Hornets to serve well into the 2030s, but now service leaders say that timeline will need to extend into the 2040s.

http://www.defensetech.org/2015/04/22/navy-leans-toward-building-more-super-hornets-after-f-35c-delays/

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That's right, and they're paying over $110M US per F-35A with similar equipment. Thanks for playing.

Ahh no, the F-35 is equipped with said "equipment" on production, including much of the Growler's suite.......and of course, said F-35 pricing isn't the full-rate production pricing.

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So the opinion of the real Generals that want the F35 do not matter? The only opinions that matter are people who say things you agree with?

No, Big Guy is one of those armchair generals. This armchair general cares what our government wants and not what the real generals want. It is the real generals who change peace keeping missions into combat operations.

I stand by my opinions - they only matter to those who respect them. To the others - PHFSHHHHHTTTPPPPP!!!!!! :P

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further to that:

The Navy had been planning for the Super Hornets to serve well into the 2030s, but now service leaders say that timeline will need to extend into the 2040s.

http://www.defensetech.org/2015/04/22/navy-leans-toward-building-more-super-hornets-after-f-35c-delays/

Old article, as has been cited numerous times, the DoD isn't funding a "Super-Duper Hornet".......but has funded, additional F-35Cs.

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Ahh no, the F-35 is equipped with said "equipment" on production, including much of the Growler's suite

Not the engine. Further, the new build hornets that were just ordered are not Growlers.

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Just like the F-18s that they retired exactly on schedule.

Doesn't mater, the USN's legacy fleet is a decade plus younger than ours.

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Old article

Less than a year old, and since that time, more Super Hornets have been ordered. It must be nice living in a fantasy?

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Doesn't mater, the USN's legacy fleet is a decade plus younger than ours.

And was supposed to be largely gone at this point - yet they're ordering Super Hornets to fill the gap that the late F-35C has left for them, whilst planning to operate them until the middle of the decade.

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Not the engine. Further, the new build hornets that were just ordered are not Growlers.

Nor are Super Hornets........as to Growlers, again, the USMC is replacing their Prowler fleet with baseline F-35s.........and not Growlers, as such, comparing Super Hornets to Lightnings, and what they will bring to future battlefields is applies to oranges.

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Less than a year old, and since that time, more Super Hornets have been ordered. It must be nice living in a fantasy?

Not the "advanced Super Hornet" as cited in your link.

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And was supposed to be largely gone at this point - yet they're ordering Super Hornets to fill the gap that the late F-35C has left for them, whilst planning to operate them until the middle of the decade.

Name one frontline USN squadron that is transitioning to Super Hornets versus F-35C........

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it's always a free-shot for ya... but somehow, you never want to acknowledge the many, many, provisioning failures of the various branches of the U.S. military. My gawd man, Canada is just a piker compared to the U.S. in failed military procurement! There is quite the competence in that failed history of U.S. military procurement!

In fairness, many of the American military boondoggles (nuclear powered airplanes, star wars space lasers) weren't provisioning failures at all - they were pork barrel projects designed to funnel money into the hands of supporters. And in that, they were fabulous successes! :lol: :lol:

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In fairness, many of the American military boondoggles (nuclear powered airplanes, star wars space lasers) weren't provisioning failures at all - they were pork barrel projects designed to funnel money into the hands of supporters. And in that, they were fabulous successes! :lol: :lol:

So much so, Canada buys much of its military hardware from the United States. Let's see....Super Hornet or F-35...no...ummmm...F-35 or Super Hornet !

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Nor are Super Hornets

That was your point not mine - it changes nothing about what I said.

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Not the "advanced Super Hornet" as cited in your link.

That was a completely separate point in the article, and had nothing to do with acquisitions or operating timelines.

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That was your point not mine - it changes nothing about what I said.

Ahh yeah, it does, since you cite a price the DoD paid for Super Hornets, four years ago, absent engines, avionics and ECM/targeting pods......and suggest this is what Canada would pay today, even though the DoD pays far more.

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