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Name one frontline USN squadron that is transitioning to Super Hornets versus F-35C........

At the moment, the F-35C is relatively useless as part of a carrier air wing, as it isn't able to perform all of its intended functions. The Super Hornet is needed in larger numbers and for longer to fill in the gap that the late arrival of the F-35C is causing. That gap is set to continue to the middle of the century.

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That doesn't mean Canada is going to buy the butterball. It's more likely that the reason Canada paid to stay in the program is this:

Canadian companies have won more than $750-million in contracts related to the F-35 because Canada has been a partner in the program for decades. Should the Liberals exit the program, Canadian firms’ contracts will wind down and they will not be eligible to bid on further work.

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Ahh yeah, it does, since you cite a price the DoD paid for Super Hornets, four years ago,

I'm talking about in their newest buy for 2016. The different, using the exchange rate at the time, between the Super Hornet and the F-35A in the requests from DoD were in the range of $40 - 50M each.

absent engines, avionics and ECM/targeting pods

Yes, both planes were less some of their equipment.

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So much so, Canada buys much of its military hardware from the United States. Let's see....Super Hornet or F-35...no...ummmm...F-35 or Super Hornet !

.... or Eurofighter or Gripen or Rafale

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Ahh yeah, it does, since you cite a price the DoD paid for Super Hornets, four years ago, absent engines, avionics and ECM/targeting pods......and suggest this is what Canada would pay today, even though the DoD pays far more.

Right...apples and oranges on costs. The fairy tales continue....

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That was a completely separate point in the article, and had nothing to do with acquisitions or operating timelines.

No, it was the crux of the article....i.e upgrades to the Super Hornet to add a measure of survivability to an aircraft that is already outclassed by the latest Russian aircraft and air defense systems today.

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I'm not so sure I'd like to be flying a plane powered by one engine, one that tends to rub turbine blades together when it gets hot until it blows up, with an ejection seat that may kill me if I have to use it.

And the hits just seem to keep on coming.

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/02/f-35s-terrifying-bug-list/125638/

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No, it was the crux of the article

We didn't read the same article, apparently.

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At the moment, the F-35C is relatively useless as part of a carrier air wing, as it isn't able to perform all of its intended functions. The Super Hornet is needed in larger numbers and for longer to fill in the gap that the late arrival of the F-35C is causing. That gap is set to continue to the middle of the century.

Name one frontline squadron the is now transitioning from legacy Hornets to Super Hornets versus the F-35C........can't do it? Thats because there isn't, and is why the articles you cite are out of context and don't paint the actual reality.

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We didn't read the same article, apparently.

I read the one you cited......and the point stands, the USN isn't funding upgrades to their Super Hornet fleet.

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Name one frontline squadron the is now transitioning from legacy Hornets to Super Hornets versus the F-35C........can't do it? Thats because there isn't, and is why the articles you cite are out of context and don't paint the actual reality.

Why are they buying more super hornets? To fill in the gap that will exist well into the future. Why are they considering buying more Growlers? Because the F-35C does not have (despite your claims) the same electronic warfare capabilities.

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I read the one you cited......and the point stands, the USN isn't funding upgrades to their Super Hornet fleet.

There were several points in that article:

We need more planes.

Super Hornets are available and capable, so we need more of them.

We need to operate the Super Hornet longer, so we need more of them.

We might upgrade the Super Hornet

We might need more Growlers and EW support for the F-35 well into the future.

The article I read was several paragraphs and sentences, and didn't say what you apparently think it did.

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Other nations are buying aircraft now...Canada isn't...Canada is just window shopping.

You're looking back through the window.

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I guess it's because what's on sale isn't worth buying - at any price.

True...perhaps Canada should visit a Rent-A-Center instead....consider leasing....money is tight !

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There were several points in that article:

We need more planes.

As already cited, the USN is now seeking Congressional approval to defund and retire an entire Carrier Air Wing.....hence your article is now dated.

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Why are they buying more super hornets?

Attrition reserves for their current fleet, a fleet that aged greatly with the operational tempo for the last 15 years.

To fill in the gap that will exist well into the future.

A gap never intended to be filled by the F-35, but the eventual Super Hornet replacement.

Why are they considering buying more Growlers?

So their present fleet can operate in a modern battlefield with an enhanced measure of safety.

Because the F-35C does not have (despite your claims) the same electronic warfare capabilities.

These are not my claims, but the former head of the USMC, which will operate an entire F-35 fleet........versus the USN, that will operate a mixed fleet of strike aircraft, in addition, requires dedicated electronic warfare aircraft to protect their surface fleet, in addition force wide ECM support to other branches of the US military, namely the USAF...........as noted countless times, the F-35 isn't (yet) the planned replacement for the Super Hornet and Growler aircraft fleets.

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That doesn't mean Canada is going to buy the butterball. It's more likely that the reason Canada paid to stay in the program is this:

In other words "Canadian pork barreling"?

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In other words "Canadian pork barreling"?

You don't know what pork barreling is, do you?

This isn't a case of the Canadian government directing work, it's a case of the Canadian government paying an entrance fee so that Canadian companies can bid on much larger pieces of work.

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You don't know what pork barreling is, do you?

This isn't a case of the Canadian government directing work, it's a case of the Canadian government paying an entrance fee so that Canadian companies can bid on much larger pieces of work.

I know exactly what it is, and what this is.........the Previous Liberal Government signed the initial agreement years ago....PET did likewise with Canadair in the later 60s with Northrop, over producing the CF-5 Freedom Fighter in greater Montreal ridings......today, Pratt & Whitney Canada (and countless other companies), produce parts for the F-35 program, including companies in Montreal ridings.

How much involvement does Canadian industry currently have in the Super Hornet, Gripen NG, Eurofighter and Rafale programs?

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Attrition reserves for their current fleet, a fleet that aged greatly with the operational tempo for the last 15 years.

And?

A gap never intended to be filled by the F-35, but the eventual Super Hornet replacement.

The Super Hornet, of course, was supposed to be taking a back seat to the Lightning at this point.

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And?

What?

The Super Hornet, of course, was supposed to be taking a back seat to the Lightning at this point.

Name one USN frontline Super Hornet squadron to be replaced by the F-35C..........can't do it? That's because the F-35C isn't replacing the Super Hornet.

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