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15 hours ago, Wilber said:

Technically a PM can be replaced by caucus without an election. That's pretty much what happened when Martin took over from Chretien.

May didn't receive a majority, she had to make a deal to stay in power.  In no way is that the same as a PM with a majority government.  

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She's facing a confidence vote within her own party as to whether she can remain as leader. That has nothing to do with the number of seats they have in Parliament.  But it shows how PMs in the parliamentary system are also accountable to their parties. There are no kings.

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Interesting how a certain member is apt at pivoting any discussion about President Trade Tarif to talking about other leaders. 

Flail On!

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6 hours ago, Boges said:

Interesting how a certain member is apt at pivoting any discussion about President Trade Tarif to talking about other leaders. 

Flail On!

Trade tariffs aren't the greatest evil the world has ever seen. I don't know why you're so hung up on the fact that Trump is protecting American jobs.

Would you think more of him if he was chasing away investment and killing jobs like Trudeau? 

Who would you rather have as PM: Trump or Trudeau?

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8 hours ago, Truth Detector said:

May didn't receive a majority, she had to make a deal to stay in power.  In no way is that the same as a PM with a majority government.  

Sure it is, she had to make a deal with her own MP's. The vote was between her own MP's, not the Commons. The Liberals had a big majority when Chretien got bounced by Martin.

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11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Trade tariffs aren't the greatest evil the world has ever seen. I don't know why you're so hung up on the fact that Trump is protecting American jobs.

Tell that to GM employees and Farmers. 

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The fall out of this Cohen Affair, similar to the Trump Tower Meeting, is so predictable. 

Strident denial until you can't deny anymore. Then you justify the action and hope your sheeple base ignore the lie. 

If the National Inquirer was in on these payments then stating it's a private transaction is the biggest lie of all. 

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3 hours ago, Boges said:

The fall out of this Cohen Affair, similar to the Trump Tower Meeting, is so predictable. 

Strident denial until you can't deny anymore. Then you justify the action and hope your sheeple base ignore the lie. 

If the National Inquirer was in on these payments then stating it's a private transaction is the biggest lie of all. 

How big of a deal is it? 

It's perfectly legal for Trump to get an NDA signed to protect his family and his company. Should he come out in public and tell the world that he got an NDA signed, or would that defeat the whole purpose of getting an NDA signed? Should he write a cheque to Cohen and write "NDA" on the memo line? Again, not really how it works. Should he draw up his own NDA? How would anyone else in the free world do that? They'd do it through a lawyer. A sleazy Avenatti/Cohen type of lawyer. That's what guys like that are there for.

In order for this to be a campaign violation Mueller needs to prove that the NDA was specifically regarding the campaign, and not for family or business reasons. Even if he does that, it's not a criminal offence, just a civil case. There's nothing there worth getting all hyperbolic about.

Bottom line is Trump had sex with a porn star and a playboy bunny and he tried to hide it. Maybe for family reasons, maybe for business reasons, maybe for political reasons. If that's the worst of his sins then that makes him one of the very best men in Washington.

Bill Clinton was caught influencing Monica Lewinsky to lie in her sworn testimony, trying to get her to file false affidavits, coaching witnesses, he lied to a grand jury. Is he in jail? Did he ever get impeached? That's far more serious than getting an NDA signed by someone who was a consenting adult, which was perfectly legal.

The people at CNN and MSNBC who want you to think this was a big deal are still just as hypocritical as they were the day before they meekly wondered whether or not the should have "believed Bill's legion of accusers".

This is USA politics 101. Entry level stuff. Bill Clinton went to the 808 class, still didn't get impeached. 

 

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

How big of a deal is it? 

It's perfectly legal for Trump to get an NDA signed to protect his family and his company. Should he come out in public and tell the world that he got an NDA signed, or would that defeat the whole purpose of getting an NDA signed? Should he write a cheque to Cohen and write "NDA" on the memo line? Again, not really how it works. Should he draw up his own NDA? How would anyone else in the free world do that? They'd do it through a lawyer. A sleazy Avenatti/Cohen type of lawyer. That's what guys like that are there for.

In order for this to be a campaign violation Mueller needs to prove that the NDA was specifically regarding the campaign, and not for family or business reasons. Even if he does that, it's not a criminal offence, just a civil case. There's nothing there worth getting all hyperbolic about.

Bottom line is Trump had sex with a porn star and a playboy bunny and he tried to hide it. Maybe for family reasons, maybe for business reasons, maybe for political reasons. If that's the worst of his sins then that makes him one of the very best men in Washington.

Bill Clinton was caught influencing Monica Lewinsky to lie in her sworn testimony, trying to get her to file false affidavits, coaching witnesses, he lied to a grand jury. Is he in jail? Did he ever get impeached? That's far more serious than getting an NDA signed by someone who was a consenting adult, which was perfectly legal.

The people at CNN and MSNBC who want you to think this was a big deal are still just as hypocritical as they were the day before they meekly wondered whether or not the should have "believed Bill's legion of accusers".

This is USA politics 101. Entry level stuff. Bill Clinton went to the 808 class, still didn't get impeached. 

John Edwards was indicted for Campaign violations. And his weren't a month before an election. It seems campaign officials were involved in the coverup. So it was definitely involved in the Campaign. 

Oh and Clinton was Impeached! 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

Your lack of knowledge on this undermines your ability to put forward an educated opinion. 

Clinton was Impeached for a Sexual coverup/lie. He just wasn't convicted by the Senate. We're already at a point where that's a likely outcome for Trump. He may not be thrown from office unless Senate Republicans grow spines. But they would still have a trial where all the evidence of his miss-dead would be made public. 

Which, like in everything, the coverup is WAY! worse than the crime. But justifying the crime after the elaborate coverup doesn't make it go away. 

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11 minutes ago, Boges said:

John Edwards was indicted for Campaign violations. And his weren't a month before an election. It seems campaign officials were involved in the coverup. So it was definitely involved in the Campaign. 

Oh and Clinton was Impeached! 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

Your lack of knowledge on this undermines your ability to put forward an educated opinion. 

Clinton was Impeached for a Sexual coverup/lie. He just wasn't convicted by the Senate. We're already at a point where that's a likely outcome for Trump. He may not be thrown from office unless Senate Republicans grow spines. But they would still have a trial where all the evidence of his miss-dead would be made public. 

Which, like in everything, the coverup is WAY! worse than the crime. But justifying the crime after the elaborate coverup doesn't make it go away. 

John Edwards was found not guilty. No one has ever been successfully prosecuted for campaign finance violations just because of an NDA.

It's actually quite legal to get an NDA signed. If it serves the dual purpose of defending his family it's not illegal. Sorry to burst your bubble. The fact that Cohen is enough of a weasel to try to turn this into a crime just to reduce his sentence is just pathetic. He even tried to get this stuff on tape, which is the lowest thing a lawyer can do, and he couldn't even do that.

 

Clinton was acquitted, (see the part of that article that says "acquittal by the Senate") and all 45 Democrats in the Senate (including Diane Feinstein, Chuck Schumer and John Edwards, remember him?) voted "not guilty" on both charges. That's also in your article. The evidence against Clinton was undeniable, including the fact that he lied under oath. Ie, he was caught red-handed engaging in actual criminal activity. Chuck Schumer et al just let him off the hook. If the word impeachment comes out of his mouth he needs to give up politics.

 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

John Edwards was found not guilty. No one has ever been successfully prosecuted for campaign finance violations just because of an NDA.

It's actually quite legal to get an NDA signed. If it serves the dual purpose of defending his family it's not illegal. Sorry to burst your bubble. The fact that Cohen is enough of a weasel to try to turn this into a crime just to reduce his sentence is just pathetic. He even tried to get this stuff on tape, which is the lowest thing a lawyer can do, and he couldn't even do that.

 

Clinton was acquitted, (see the part of that article that says "acquittal by the Senate") and all 45 Democrats in the Senate (including Diane Feinstein, Chuck Schumer and John Edwards, remember him?) voted "not guilty" on both charges. That's also in your article. The evidence against Clinton was undeniable, including the fact that he lied under oath. Ie, he was caught red-handed engaging in actual criminal activity. Chuck Schumer et al just let him off the hook. If the word impeachment comes out of his mouth he needs to give up politics.

He was impeached, just not convicted. Semantics I suppose. 

The truth is this is all a sidebar to the Russia Negotiation. But it shows the same tactic of LIE! LIE! LIE! And once you can't lie anymore just justify it. If it was justifiable, you wouldn't have lied in the first place. 

 

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1 minute ago, Boges said:

He was impeached, just not convicted. Semantics I suppose. 

The truth is this is all a sidebar to the Russia Negotiation. But it shows the same tactic of LIE! LIE! LIE! And once you can't lie anymore just justify it. If it was justifiable, you wouldn't have lied in the first place. 

 

He lied about affairs with Stormy and the playboy bunny. Yeah that's bad. Give 100 men the chance to have sex with those women when they think that they can get away with it, how many say no? Would a married Mike "I don't even have dinner with other women if my wife isn't there" Pence say no? Chuck Schumer? Adam Schiff? Beto O'Rourke? I'd be shocked if one of them said no, but if they did I think it would be solely to protect their political aspirations, which makes it even worse.

If the standard for election is going to rise to the level of "wouldn't have sex with a playboy bunny" no one will run.

When I thought that Clinton's trial was just about an affair I didn't even care. I didn't know about the actual rape allegations because I didn't follow politics that closely back then, and the perjury didn't even bother me. I know, or at least I assumed at the time, that he lied partly to save his wife the humiliation. 

The thing that bugged the most about that whole affair was Hillary's first interview after he confessed. I expected her to say something strong like: "He's doing the most important job in the world, and he's doing a great job of it. It would be ridiculous to throw our country into upheaval right now just because he had an affair. I consider this a personal matter and we're dealing with it as a family." Instead she seemed like smug little schemer with a thirst for power that I found alarming. She was even smiling. It was just gross how detached she was from human emotions. 

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25 minutes ago, Boges said:

He was impeached, just not convicted. Semantics I suppose.

 

Not semantics...fundamental differences in the process for removing a U.S. president.

 

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The truth is this is all a sidebar to the Russia Negotiation. But it shows the same tactic of LIE! LIE! LIE! And once you can't lie anymore just justify it. If it was justifiable, you wouldn't have lied in the first place. 

 

Many politicians lie...including presidents.   Trump is just another U.S. president.

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20 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

He lied about affairs with Stormy and the playboy bunny. Yeah that's bad. Give 100 men the chance to have sex with those women when they think that they can get away with it, how many say no? Would a married Mike "I don't even have dinner with other women if my wife isn't there" Pence say no? Chuck Schumer? Adam Schiff? Beto O'Rourke? I'd be shocked if one of them said no, but if they did I think it would be solely to protect their political aspirations, which makes it even worse.

If the standard for election is going to rise to the level of "wouldn't have sex with a playboy bunny" no one will run.

When I thought that Clinton's trial was just about an affair I didn't even care. I didn't know about the actual rape allegations because I didn't follow politics that closely back then, and the perjury didn't even bother me. I know, or at least I assumed at the time, that he lied partly to save his wife the humiliation. 

The thing that bugged the most about that whole affair was Hillary's first interview after he confessed. I expected her to say something strong like: "He's doing the most important job in the world, and he's doing a great job of it. It would be ridiculous to throw our country into upheaval right now just because he had an affair. I consider this a personal matter and we're dealing with it as a family." Instead she seemed like smug little schemer with a thirst for power that I found alarming. She was even smiling. It was just gross how detached she was from human emotions. 

First of all, I don't think everyone would have sex with a Porn Star if they could. 

Second, even if that was the case, lying about it is the problem not the act. The cover-up is worse than the crime. 

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Just thought I'd drop in to count myself among those who doesn't want to have sex with Stormy Daniels and who generally prefers leaders who would rather not as well.

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11 hours ago, Boges said:

First of all, I don't think everyone would have sex with a Porn Star if they could. 

Second, even if that was the case, lying about it is the problem not the act. The cover-up is worse than the crime. 

Ok, the playboy bunny then. Put 100 men in a position where they think they can get away with it, what % do you honestly think will do it? What % of the people who abstain would be doing it solely for the purpose of attaining power or protecting their job? Are they any more worthy of holding a position of power than the ones who caved? The only % of people who actually pass that test are the ones who do it purely out of loyalty or because they're so pure that they don't even have the desire. 

 

Like I said, the whole point of an NDA is to cover something up. What would be the point of getting and NDA signed and then holding a press conference the next day saying that you got an NDA signed? Of course you cover it up. But.... what kind of person takes the money for an NDA and then goes out and blabs? How could their lawyer be a party to that signing, take his payment for his part in the deal, and then come out and be a party tp disclosing it? The same kind of people who would have sex with a married man, or cheat on their wife I guess.

 

This campaign finace thing is an actual nothingburger, and a sad chapter in the history of the FBI. If you consider that witness tampering is illegal, then how can it be legal for the FBI to say "if you testify that person x said all of these 3 exact things then we will reduce your prison sentence by ten years"? They got Cohen to plead guilty to a non-crime, and they're acting like he's going to jail for it. He is a lawyer who committed bank fraud and tax fraud. That's pretty "jaily" stuff unless I miss my guess. But on CNN and MSNBC they're acting like that dipshit is going to jail for campaign finance violations. LMAO. He actually got his sentence REDUCED for saying that. The lying there is astounding. You have to literally be retarded to sit there and watch 30 straight minutes of that shit. It's like if someone strangles an infant, steals and car and then jaywalks and they come on the news and say "A man just got sent to jail for 20 years for jaywalking". 

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How about we ask the Evangelicals who voted for Trump in Droves if sleeping with Porn Stars is alright? 

If the Campaign Finance thing was a Nothingburger, then don't lie about it. Micheal Cohen is now going to serve 3 years in jail for that Nothingburger and the only thing keeping Trump consequence Free is the opinion that a sitting President can't be indicted. 

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Impeaching President Trump would be a mistake for the Democratic party. Campaigning in 2020 against Pence. Removing President Trump would rally his support to Pence's advantage. For Americans of a liberal persuasion, Pence would be a far more "dangerous" president than trump, simply because, where President Trump is an amateur, Vice-President Pence is a professional. Or, as someone more disrespectful might say , Trump is a clown, Pence is the devil. The peronalities involved are simply a symptom. There is a much deeper cause for this kind of malaise. High unemployment, tribalism, fear and rapid change. IMO. But then, I am just a potter.

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Americans are a weak nation ...
Look at the posts of the Americans of this forum ...
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They say: "Trump-Trump-Trump-Trump"
Sounds like a woodpecker chirping.
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  In the Soviet Union was the same.
The Soviet Union collapsed.
America will also fall apart and I will help

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The type of person that can say this: 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/dec/11/donald-trump-government-shut-down-chuck-schumer-white-house-video

Then a week later Tweet this: 

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Has to be a special level of stupid and dishonest or assume the people that love him don't consume any media other than Fox and his Tweets. . . and be morons. 

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Looks like I should have added my

10 hours ago, Boges said:

The type of person that can say this: 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/dec/11/donald-trump-government-shut-down-chuck-schumer-white-house-video

Then a week later Tweet this: 

 

Has to be a special level of stupid and dishonest or assume the people that love him don't consume any media other than Fox and his Tweets. . . and be morons. 

I have seen Trump supporters likened to sports fans and that seems an apt description in that they support him no matter how badly he plays the game and then claim victory with even a minor win.  Supporting any sports team defies logic as does supporting Trump. 

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18 minutes ago, Iznogoud said:

I have seen Trump supporters likened to sports fans and that seems an apt description in that they support him no matter how badly he plays the game and then claim victory with even a minor win.  Supporting any sports team defies logic as does supporting Trump. 

 

Team Trump actually has higher job approval ratings than Team Trudeau.

This is not only logical, but quite expected.

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On ‎12‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 8:11 AM, Selivan said:

Americans are a weak nation ...
Look at the posts of the Americans of this forum ...
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They say: "Trump-Trump-Trump-Trump"
Sounds like a woodpecker chirping.
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  In the Soviet Union was the same.
The Soviet Union collapsed.
America will also fall apart and I will help

Boris I wish you could smell my breath.  Very strong like bull.  p.s. this is a Canadian web-site. Bush Chaney is the only Yankee I know of on the sight and she is a personal friend of the late John Wayne, Robert Mitchum, Chuck Heston, Ronny Reagan and I hear she is Chuck  Norris's sister so if I were you I would knock off the vodka before she sends Steven Segal to visit you in Moscow.   By the way why are you trying to resurrect the Cold War? If I did not know any better I would say you sound like a bored Canadian teenager with a skin issue. Come on Ahmayreekuh is good friends with Vlad Peeyootin.

 You should go on the internet and watch Rocky and Bullwinkle one of the first gay couples in cartoons.  You would see who you are trying to imitate only you don't do so good a job. .You could learn a lot about Boris and his lover Natasha who was the first transsexual character in comics. Do not confuse her with  Olive Oyl  who was a transvestite and never changed his gender but at all  material times insisted on being called Olive and a "goy-ill".  Bluto a.k.a. Brutus in later years, was a former lover of Vlad Putin. Now in regards to Melania, come on we know her real name is Melvin and she got pictures of Donald in a diaper, etc. 

Everyone knows. Joan Rivers leaked it years ago.

Viva  the Vanguards of the Proletariat, Karl, Fredriech, Vladimir, Leon,  Joe , Nikita, Leonid Breshne, Valeri,.. Down with neo-imperialist colonialist reactionary traitor Boris Yaltsin.

Regards,

Comrade Alexi Kosygin the 7th (p.s. I never smile either and can stand for days out their on the platform in the cold saluting at missiles-I make Comrade Kim in Korea look like an amateur..why that fat boy needs to sit down all the time and can barely wave and what is with those Mao suits I mean my Gawd he needs one of those Russian suits that give off friction sparks when you walk)

Oh yah one other thing, when are you guys going to figure out how to make a car? What's with that?

Also if I were you I would do something with all the nuclear waste sitting in rusting barrels in Leningrad-Stalingrad-St.Petersburgh soon to be Putingrad.

I mean don't you care about your people? Bad enough your Stalin cutting edge apartment highrises have rotted way but that?

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8 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Team Trump actually has higher job approval ratings than Team Trudeau.

This is not only logical, but quite expected.

You are right when you factor in the Russians as being part of team Trump

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