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2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

These guys fight...that's what they do. Islam and other tribal motivations has them always bombing this or shooting that. That includes EVERYBODY in the region...Israel included. Much more selective on their part...and usually as a response...but boy, the F-16s (et al) start laying down the big bombs for some pretty minor incursions.

There has NEVER been long periods of peace in the region. From Alexander the Great and before until now....war, war, war.

It's what they do there.

 

Indeed...as noted by a member banned long ago...."Conflict Dirt Farm".

Trump has bigger things to worry about than providing the Kurds with human shields.

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Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Indeed...as noted by a member banned long ago...."Conflict Dirt Farm".

Trump has bigger things to worry about than providing the Kurds with human shields.

 

GH must be in the Cooler.

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14 hours ago, Rue said:

Did you? I would prefer Canadian soldiers who trained the Kurds and fought with them speak for themselves. I defer to their opinion not my own or yours. I think you and I for the sake of discussion on the forum have our opinions but I defer to those soldiers who fought with them.

The Canadians who fought with them no doubt respect them and love them. That's normal. They had each others' backs.

The Kurds who received the help and the training no doubt respect and love the Canadians who fought with them. Of course people in need love the people who help them.

But in the long run, they have the training, and their anti-western ideology which justifies every nasty thing they do to everyone else, and that training will come back to bite us.

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14 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

You are damn right I am being a bit of an ass right now....Canada left Syria and the Kurds long ago.   WTF ?

Same old crap...Canada writing checks with its virtue signaling mouth that it wants the U.S. military to cash....and keep on cashing.

Eff that....Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do in Syria...leave.

I'll accept that criticism, I don't think it's unfair.

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13 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Hard to believe the following statements from Trump. They are real, apparently:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/465098-trump-defends-syria-move-the-kurds-didnt-help-us-in-normandy

 

 

Trump really needs a good history adviser. 

Kurt Schlichter penned the article that Trump referenced and that particular guy...while passionate...seems as dumb as a post. Perhaps that's an insult to posts. He contributed to the Rebel for a while...he's no Sebastian Gorka.

Syria was pretty quiet during WW2...Rommel would have been an issue had he won the Second Battle of El Alamein (not far for Alexandria/Cairo). But he lost...

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37 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Trump really needs a good history adviser. 

Kurt Schlichter penned the article that Trump referenced and that particular guy...while passionate...seems as dumb as a post. Perhaps that's an insult to posts. He contributed to the Rebel for a while...he's no Sebastian Gorka.

Syria was pretty quiet during WW2...Rommel would have been an issue had he won the Second Battle of El Alamein (not far for Alexandria/Cairo). But he lost...

Trump (Kurt) is making a valid point in that the Kurds are great at helping to clear islamic state off their own front yard, but not at sending their armies all over the world, or even the middle east, to aid the US, NATO, the UN Peacekeepers, etc in other people's causes. 

I think that when some people talk about the Kurds being "an ally" they're mistakenly equating that to being an ally like Britain, Canada, France, Australia, etc. It's not nearly the same thing. Some of these countries have fought in full-on wars alongside Americans on hundreds of battlefields all over the world.

With the US/Kurdish relationship I think it's more of a case of the Americans who have been an ally to the Kurds in a very real way, and the Kurds accepting US as an ally in their causes. 

In fairness to the Kurds though, their geopolitical situation is nothing like Canada's. We have no armies ( and especially not historically genocidal armies, like the Turks) along every inch of our borders, threatening our very existence every single day of our lives. Their situation compared to ours is like swimming through shark infested waters with an open wound vs swimming in your own backyard pool. We can send our armies away no problemo, if they sent half their army away for a month they'd come home to see a smoking hole with body parts sticking out.

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15 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Indeed...as noted by a member banned long ago...."Conflict Dirt Farm".

Trump has bigger things to worry about than providing the Kurds with human shields.

American soldiers would not be used as human shields. Kurds will be human targets. Your analogies as usual reflect your Trump can do no wrong bias.

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47 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Trump (Kurt) is making a valid point in that the Kurds are great at helping to clear islamic state off their own front yard, but not at sending their armies all over the world, or even the middle east, to aid the US, NATO, the UN Peacekeepers, etc in other people's causes. 

 

It is not a valid point at all. Using your argument no one should protect innocent civilians from slaughter if they are not part of a large army that fights all over the world. With due respect its a stupid analogy that shows Trump equates all Kurds as armed. So do you.

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17 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

One can pretend the YPG is just the local version of the Jaycees...but can we pretend over at your house?

I know you define all Muslims as one and the same. I call that  willful ignorance equating victims of Islamic extremism as Islamic extremists simply because they are Islamic. I find your blanket generalization illogical. The only one pretending is youl. You suspend all logic and reality to define anyone of the same religion as identical. Thanks been there done that on this forum with people doing that to me as a Jew. You can take that lump stereotyping back to your pretend world. In mine Kurds are real and their suffering has been and is real.

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17 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

That's right...Canada left.   Bye-bye !

The McLean's article could not be clearer on the matter, and the decisions by Canada, not Trump.

Nice try...but Canada left years ago, never delivered promised arms to the Kurds, and hid behind Iraqi police forces instead.

Why does Canada get to decide when the "mission" is over but the USA can't ?

Canada did not as Trump ordered his soldiers go bye bye. They did not leave Kurds exposed to a life threatening situation. Canada never hid behind any Iraqi police force. You now out and out misrepresent what Canada's mission was and why it left. Its mission was completed unlike the American mission. No Canadian soldier was asked to leave anyone exposed to attack.

Bush no one said, especially me that the US can not decide to get out of Syria but to leave your loyal ally exposed to attack on the way out is bullshit. That is the issue. Then again please tell me about the orderly retreat of the Americans from Vietnam and justify that fiasco.  Go on revise history and twist it to suit your needs.

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16 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Canada abandoned the Kurds years ago....what part of that fact do you not understand ?

I do understand the fact that Canada never abandon the Kurds or anyone else and what I also do understand is you deliberately distort what Canada did to justify Trump betraying an ally and placing them in danger trying to use a lame bullshit argument that abandoning allies is  acceptable.

What I do understand is you are so pro Trump you  defend his acts  acts of moral cowardice and tries to justify it as normal every day stuff everyone does.

This has nothing to do with Obama or partisan politics, it has to do with a basic code of military honour, something you and Trump are oblivious to, clearly.

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A lot of folks...not just here...want US soldiers in Syria to fight their personal war against Syria, Russia and Turkey. Damn the consequences.

Heck...they don't think about consequences. What consequences? Nukes? What nukes? 

All for the Kurds, eh?

When quizzed, none of the pro-war in Syria folks I asked would volunteer to fight alongside the Kurds. They're much like some commentators here...hoping for the best while virtue signaling, but unwilling to lift a finger, themselves. US soldiers are for killing & dying...not l'il ol' me.

Normally, they'd throw a fit if US troops were ANYWHERE...but not this time. I think it's because they want Trump to ultimately come to blows with Putin. To prove what...I'm not sure. That nuclear weapons work, perhaps.

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51 minutes ago, Rue said:

I know you define all Muslims as one and the same.

 

No you don't and I don't define all Muslims as the same. Islam is what it is...the Quran is clear on the goals and duties of a Muslim. Don't blame ME for Islam.

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On 10/4/2019 at 6:14 PM, Argus said:

It doesn't even occur to you, does it, why Trump would put so much time and effort into an investigation of Biden's son even when everyone involved says there's nothing there? It doesn't occur to you to wonder why he's doing it NOW and not last year or the year before.

Trump draining the swamp! What a laugh! Trump was a dishonest businessman who lied to his customers, cheated his partners, cheated his suppliers so that his organization wound up having to pay COD for all supplies, cheated his financers so that banks stopped loaning him money, cheated on his wife and friends and everything he's ever done, and you expect HIM to be draining a swamp!? He IS the swamp!

It would appear to me as though it hasn't sunk into your brain yet, or you just want to play ignorant here, after the video of Biden was exposed of Biden threatening the Ukraine leader. The leader of Ukraine today said that he did not feel that Trump ever or was threatened at all by Trump. Get with the program, my liberal fella. If it were not for the dumbo crats trying to get something on Trump by way of this impeachment Ukraine bs with false accusations being made against Trump, this Biden thing would never have been exposed.

The dumbo crats are always walking into their own traps. Such stupid people these liberal dumbo crats are. They have been trying for three years to get Trump and every attempt to do so has failed. When will people like you and those dumbo crats ever get the picture? They just cannot seem to want to get over the loss to Trump. All they are doing now is trying to make problems for Trump every day in hopes that something will stick on Trump that they can use in the next election. Hopefully, come election day, Trump will kick their big lazy fat asses big time out the doors. The dumbp crats will have a lot to answer to when Trump gets a hold of them at the next election debate. Go, Trump, go.  Works for me. ;)

The Clinton's are the biggest swampster cheats and liars that America has ever had. Trump will drain the swamp that you appear to want to see continue on. In business it's like war. A lot of hanky-panky goes on in business every day and many dealings that go on that consist of the many things you described above that Trump "WAS" supposed to have done. How would you know anyway? Were you at those business dealings going on or are you just going by "hearsay"? I think that you are going by the latter like the many anti-Trump haters out there. The MSM alt-left liberal pro-democrat lying and fake media said this about Trump so it must be true. Anyone who listens too and believes what the MSM in America and Canada says today must enjoy being fed and love eating their daily meal of bull shit. Aw well.  :D  

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16 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Indeed...as noted by a member banned long ago...."Conflict Dirt Farm".

Trump has bigger things to worry about than providing the Kurds with human shields.

Trump appears to be more concerned about what is going in swamp America, rather than concern himself with the rest of the world's problems. Trump wants America out of the neo-con globalist created wars that have done more harm and caused plenty of problems for America and Americans. It looks like the Kurds are on their own now. Aw well, as they say, shit happens. :D

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1 hour ago, Rue said:

American soldiers would not be used as human shields. Kurds will be human targets. Your analogies as usual reflect your Trump can do no wrong bias.

 

Then why didn't Canada stay ?   You know, to help the Kurds that you love so much.

Trump is the Commander-in-Chief, and he gets to decide such things, not keyboard warriors in Canada.

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14 minutes ago, taxme said:

Trump appears to be more concerned about what is going in swamp America, rather than concern himself with the rest of the world's problems. Trump wants America out of the neo-con globalist created wars that have done more harm and caused plenty of problems for America and Americans. It looks like the Kurds are on their own now. Aw well, as they say, shit happens. :D

 

Yes...the Kurds want their own nation in Kurdistan, and now they can defend it without the Americans to back them up in Syria.

Trudeau left them long ago for political points that switched to Syrian refugees instead.

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34 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Yes...the Kurds want their own nation in Kurdistan, and now they can defend it without the Americans to back them up in Syria.

Trudeau left them long ago for political points that switched to Syrian refugees instead.

But they dont have a nation.  They have a region.  But they shouldn't even be allowed that, right?  

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25 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

But they dont have a nation.  They have a region.  But they shouldn't even be allowed that, right?  

 

Go for it....just don't insist that Americans have to prop them up.  

American interests are not always Kurdistan interests.

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2 hours ago, Rue said:

It is not a valid point at all. Using your argument no one should protect innocent civilians from slaughter if they are not part of a large army that fights all over the world. With due respect its a stupid analogy that shows Trump equates all Kurds as armed. So do you.

It is a completely valid point that the Kurds aren't an "ally" with the US like Canada and France are allies, or Britain and the US are allies. The Kurds are a group that benefits from US protection but it's not mutual at all. The Kurds only take part in actions in which they are the primary beneficiary and the US is the benefactor. That is 100% correct and it's indisputable. 

That's not to say that they should be left to die, but the eternal army of US soldiers standing guard in Kurdistan theory is coming to an end. 

 

If what the Turks are saying is true, and that Kurdish terrorists are attacking Turkey, then it doesn't look good for the Kurds to be ducking out from under Mama America's wing to attack and then come running back. It makes the US look like West Pakistan.  

 

Turkey got their warning from Trump. They have their chance to establish a buffer zone, just like Israel has theirs at the expense of Palestine, but Trump will not allow another Turkish genocide against a minority. Trump is not Obama. He will not stand idly by when people are gassed, etc. 

 

One thing that I find ironic in this is that the people of the muslim world, who abhor the US and call them monsters, are afraid of what the muslims in Turkey are going to do to the muslims in Kurdistan if the big, bad US isn't there to act as the world police. What reason do they have to fear Turkey? I was under the impression that they thought islam was the religion of peace? 

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11 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

What are America's interests?  Fraud, money laundering, spreading lies against a democratic contender?

They should remove home of the free and land of the brave from the anthem imo. 

Empty words.

 

America's interests are whatever we want them to be, backed up by raw economic and military power.

Americans don't care what you think about the anthem, just keep playing it at your NHL games so we can win another Cup (over 25 years).

 

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Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

America's interests are whatever we want them to be, backed up by raw economic and military power.

Americans don't care what you think about the anthem, just keep playing it at your NHL games so we can win another Cup (over 25 years).

 

How many american teams are lead by canadian players?  Might not be the case if trump has his way, they are foreigners after all.

Oh wait I forgot. 

 

They're white. 

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8 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

How many american teams are lead by canadian players?  Might not be the case if trump has his way, they are foreigners after all.

Oh wait I forgot. 

 

They're white. 

 

???

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Even the Canadian players insist on being paid in U.S. dollars, not Canadian pesos.

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