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25 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Gulf war one yes.  Not part 2.  

Were allies.  Key word is were. That's where this "cold war" began, did it not?  

 

Nope.....Canada contributed more resources to the invasion of Iraq in 2003 except for three other nations.   Chretien wanted the rubes back home to think he was "standing up to the Americans" while quietly aiding and abetting the invasion, to wit:

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Though no declaration of war was issued, the Governor General-in-Council did order the mobilization of a number of Canadian Forces personnel to serve actively in Iraq.[2] On 31 March 2003, it was reported in Maclean's that in the previous month Canadian officers, aboard three frigates and a destroyer, had been placed in command of the multinational naval group Task Force 151, which patrolled the Persian Gulf region. A further 30 Canadians worked at the US Central Command in Qatar, and 150 troops were on exchange with US and British forces in proximity to combat.[4]North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) stationed Canadian Air Force pilots also flew combat missions with the US Air Force E-3 Sentry, and exchange officers fought with US units. Canadian pilots also flew Boeing C-17s into Iraq to "season" the flight crews.[9] In all, 40 to 50 Canadian military members participated in the conflict.

However, it was claimed by Janice Gross Stein and Eugene Lang in The Unexpected War that people from Canadian ministries were in Washington, D.C., openly vaunting Canada's participation in Iraq;[2] as Stein and Lang put it: "in an almost schizophrenic way, the government bragged publicly about its decision to stand aside from the war in Iraq because it violated core principles of multilateralism and support for the United Nations. At the same time, senior Canadian officials, military officers and politicians were currying favour in Washington, privately telling anyone in the State Department of the Pentagon who would listen that, by some measures, Canada's indirect contribution to the American war effort in Iraq– three ships and 100 exchange officers– exceeded that of all but three other countries that were formally part of the coalition."[2][10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada_and_the_Iraq_War

 

Chretien also begged Bush for access to post invasion contracts for oil services and infrastructure...for firms like SNC Lavalin.

The point about Stalin and Putin is that you cannot deny U.S. cooperation then and now.   American (and a Canadian) astronauts use Russian man-rated launch vehicles to reach and return from the ISS.  

 

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I see Trump went all "crybaby" toward the press yet again today in Florida. Is it perhaps that orange crap he sprays himself with that makes his skin so thin?  

His first 100 days will be a flurry of activities to implement most of the policies he'd promised. Here's an excerpt from a lengthy article how he says it would look: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05

I can't establish a case that Realitycheck beats his wife, but I can't exonerate him either.

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14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It's not a real process. The Dems know that successfully impeaching the President is another one of their crackpipe dreams. This is a total smear campaign and has nothing to do with actual impeachable material.

Using the power of the presidency to get another country to help you win an election is an impeachable offence. 

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The Dems are being sneaky and underhanded, DUH! Are you honestly acting like you don't know that? Why do you think that Schiff was meeting with the "whistleblower" privately before his report came out, and why do you think that he lied about that fact and tried to hide it?

He probably came for advise because he knew Trump and his sycophants would try to threaten him. The Report has been proven out. The July 25th call memo shows that Trump did ask for a favour in helping him politically. 

These depositions are only the first step. Before Articles of impeachment are voted on there most certainly will be public hearings. What's hilarious is, apparently, a quarter of the GOP stooges that stormed the deposition were actually allowed to be there. Also these rules were written by a Republican. 

The Republicans really want people like Bill Taylor and Marie Yovanovitch telling their story on National TV? 

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That was never a "whistleblower" report. It was an Adam Schiff story. 

Your claim is that there is no Whistleblower and it's actually just something Adam Schiff concocted. Wanna cite that? 

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1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The point about Stalin and Putin is that you cannot deny U.S. cooperation then and now.   American (and a Canadian) astronauts use Russian man-rated launch vehicles to reach and return from the ISS.  

You conveniently forget the Cold War. :rolleyes:

Also it seems that Russia interfered with the US election. US intelligence and a Republican Controlled Senate investigation concluded as much. Doesn't sound like they're a great ally. 

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2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Nope.....Canada contributed more resources to the invasion of Iraq in 2003 except for three other nations.   Chretien wanted the rubes back home to think he was "standing up to the Americans" while quietly aiding and abetting the invasion, to wit:

 

Chretien also begged Bush for access to post invasion contracts for oil services and infrastructure...for firms like SNC Lavalin.

The point about Stalin and Putin is that you cannot deny U.S. cooperation then and now.   American (and a Canadian) astronauts use Russian man-rated launch vehicles to reach and return from the ISS.  

 

And they use the Canadarm to repair their shuttles.  So?  

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3 hours ago, Boges said:

Using the power of the presidency to get another country to help you win an election is an impeachable offence. 

lf there was some compelling reason to believe that was true then you might be on to something, but your assumption of the President's motivation amounts to no more than speculation. Biden is almost 99.9% certain to have been guilty of influence peddling in at least two countries. There are plenty of obvious reasons for wanting to get that investigated, and all Trump asked for was an investigation. Not a result. 

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He probably came for advise because he knew Trump and his sycophants would try to threaten him.

So he's not an actual whistleblower because of the nature of the way that he revealed himself and how he is actually working with the Democrat party. He's a Democrat asset. He's Schiff's puppet.

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The Report has been proven out. The July 25th call memo shows that Trump did ask for a favour in helping him politically. 

That's a complete fabrication.

Trump asked for an investigation which was completely warranted when Biden bragged about using American governmental influence to affect an investigation which had huge implications for himself and his immediate family.

Biden's guilt and his quid pro quo are undeniable facts. Trump's motivation for an investigation is pure speculation. He knew a crime was committed. That's reason enough for an investigation. 

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These depositions are only the first step. Before Articles of impeachment are voted on there most certainly will be public hearings. What's hilarious is, apparently, a quarter of the GOP stooges that stormed the deposition were actually allowed to be there. Also these rules were written by a Republican. 

Of course they're just a first step. A long, drawn out first step in an ongoing smear campaign that is a clone of the Russian collusion investigation, the obstruction accusations, the Ford/Kavanaugh accusations, the obvious recession, the sudden rise of racism since 2017 (they never noticed two years worth of race riots and cop killings) etc. This is what Dems do. They get their idiotic base riled up about false crimes and false narratives to distract from the fact that the governance of the country is actually far more solid than it was from '08-'16.

America is coming out miles and miles ahead right now plus they're taking on China economically. They don't have soldiers dying anywhere. No new wars of attrition have started.

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The Republicans really want people like Bill Taylor and Marie Yovanovitch telling their story on National TV? 

Your claim is that there is no Whistleblower and it's actually just something Adam Schiff concocted. Wanna cite that? 

 

There is a person who is trying to use whistleblower status to leak information with the protection that whistleblowers are supposed to get but he hasn't followed proper protocols to maintain whistleblower status. He (or she) filled out a form requiring information about what members of government he had talked to and neglected to mention that he was working with Adam Schiff at the time. The whistleblower lied about it, Adam Schiff lied about it.

Once again Boges you're pushing false narratives (plural - 1 Biden is above suspicion (there's a 99% chance he's quite guilty), 2 the informant is a "whistleblower" (doesn't qualify), 3 you know the one reason why Trump asked for an investigation, 4 you know the one and only reason why Trump withheld a second round of military aid, 5 Trump had no right to delay the military aid, 6 Trump only allowed the military aid to be sent because of the whistleblower, 7 this is a serious impeachment inquiry which has a chance of resulting in impeachment and not a smear campaign) which come from sources who, by legal standards which are the same all across the commonwealth and every civilized country on earth including America, have already blown their credibility in this matter.  

You're also pushing another CNN narrative (Charlie Brown vs the football). That's stupid. All of the narratives you are pushing are false, pure speculation, or just plain stupid.

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

lf there was some compelling reason to believe that was true then you might be on to something, but your assumption of the President's motivation amounts to no more than speculation. Biden is almost 99.9% certain to have been guilty of influence peddling in at least two countries. There are plenty of obvious reasons for wanting to get that investigated, and all Trump asked for was an investigation. Not a result. 

Well Bill Taylor's testimony and the July 25th call would indicate otherwise. So would Mulvaney's admission that there was a Quid Pro Quo. 

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So he's not an actual whistleblower because of the nature of the way that he revealed himself and how he is actually working with the Democrat party. He's a Democrat asset. He's Schiff's puppet.

That's a complete fabrication.

Trump asked for an investigation which was completely warranted when Biden bragged about using American governmental influence to affect an investigation which had huge implications for himself and his immediate family.

 

Anonymously? When you consider Trump's threat to execute whistleblowers, it's good that he remained anonymous. 

 

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Of course they're just a first step. A long, drawn out first step in an ongoing smear campaign that is a clone of the Russian collusion investigation, the obstruction accusations, the Ford/Kavanaugh accusations, the obvious recession, the sudden rise of racism since 2017 (they never noticed two years worth of race riots and cop killings) etc. This is what Dems do. They get their idiotic base riled up about false crimes and false narratives to distract from the fact that the governance of the country is actually far more solid than it was from '08-'16.


 

Blah Blah, Kavanaugh isn't being impeached. 

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Once again Boges you're pushing false narratives (plural - 1 Biden is above suspicion (there's a 99% chance he's quite guilty), 2 the informant is a "whistleblower" (doesn't qualify), 3 you know the one reason why Trump asked for an investigation, 4 you know the one and only reason why Trump withheld a second round of military aid, 5 Trump had no right to delay the military aid, 6 Trump only allowed the military aid to be sent because of the whistleblower, 7 this is a serious impeachment inquiry which has a chance of resulting in impeachment and not a smear campaign) which come from sources who, by legal standards which are the same all across the commonwealth and every civilized country on earth including America, have already blown their credibility in this matter.  

You're also pushing another CNN narrative (Charlie Brown vs the football). That's stupid. All of the narratives you are pushing are false, pure speculation, or just plain stupid.

 

Speculation except for all the evidence. Yet you have no evidence Biden got Shokin fired to protect his son. 

How do you calculate your 99%? 

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15 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

So ?    Gotta do better than that......maybe find photos of Trump in "blackface" ?

Alright, 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/08/senate-russia-helped-trump-against-clinton-2016/3909680002/

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WASHINGTON – A new report released by the Senate Intelligence Committee on Russian interference in the 2016 election has concluded that Russia acted to boost Donald Trump at the expense of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and delivers a call for future action to prevent foreign election interference.

The report's release comes as controversy swirls around President Donald Trump's requests to foreign nations to open investigations into his political opponent former Vice President Joe Biden. Trump asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate the Biden family and has also called on China to investigate them as well, though China said it would reject the request. 

 

Bipartisan. Not Deep-State Dem.

Russia Bad. 

BTW THIS is what may get Trump impeached. He couldn't let it be that even his own party came to the conclusion Putin helped get him elected, so he leveraged taxpayer money to pressure Ukraine to follow some ridiculous Crowdstrike conspiracy. 

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36 minutes ago, Boges said:

Alright, 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/08/senate-russia-helped-trump-against-clinton-2016/3909680002/

Bipartisan. Not Deep-State Dem.

Russia Bad. 

BTW THIS is what may get Trump impeached. He couldn't let it be that even his own party came to the conclusion Putin helped get him elected, so he leveraged taxpayer money to pressure Ukraine to follow some ridiculous Crowdstrike conspiracy. 

 

Again, so what ?   Mueller Report.....crickets.

Russia could help Trump again in 2020....same as many other nations.

What difference does it make if it was Russia  ?

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2 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

So it is not as simple as "Kurds good, Putin bad".

The Cold War is over.   

https://www.historyextra.com/period/cold-war/did-cold-war-us-russia-relations-ever-really-end-soviet-union-america-tensions-nuclear-weapons/

 

When I see Putin and trump on a beach drinking pina coladas I'll buy that. 

Keep living in ostrich syndrome.

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3 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

When I see Putin and trump on a beach drinking pina coladas I'll buy that. 

Keep living in ostrich syndrome.

 

Look...I fought the Cold War in real time...against real Soviets/Russians.  So did some Canadians.

Let me know when they come back so I can worry about it.

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2 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

As far as obstruction, the Mueller report laid out facts on both sides but did not reach a conclusion

 

 

Yeah...we got all that the first time.   We don't convict people based on hearsay and unproven allegations for laws that don't even exist.

All the rest is just politics, just as it has always been.

Trump is just another U.S. president....there will be others, and more after that.

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2 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

I would but with you in ostrich syndrome I get a rather comical view.  :lol:

 

What does this even mean ?   

If you are afraid of Russia/Putin, then do something about it, instead of whining about what my country/president are/are not doing to your satisfaction.  

Obviously Canada is even less committed to "stopping Russia".

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What does this even mean ?   

If you are afraid of Russia/Putin, then do something about it, instead of whining about what my country/president are/are not doing to your satisfaction.  

Obviously Canada is even less committed to "stopping Russia".

We supported america against russia since 1946.   And what do we get?  Whining about how we don't contribute enough and are called deadbeats.  Thrown under a bus by someone who does not even know the difference between a kurd and an Iraqi.  

 

Some allies.  

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4 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

We supported america against russia since 1946.   And what do we get?  Whining about how we don't contribute enough and are called deadbeats.  Thrown under a bus by someone who does not even know the difference between a kurd and an Iraqi.  

 

Some allies.  

 

canada was/is part of NATO...a founding member.   Not supporting america..supporting Canadian post WW2 interest(s).

canada has systematically defunded its military and commitments, relying more and more on American spending and capabilities.

canada has done even less for the Kurds....walking away before Trump did.

I ask again...if you are so concerned about Russia/Putin, what is canada doing about it ?

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5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

canada was/is part of NATO...a founding member.   Not supporting america..supporting Canadian post WW2 interest(s).

canada has systematically defunded its military and commitments, relying more and more on American spending and capabilities.

canada has done even less for the Kurds....walking away before Trump did.

I ask again...if you are so concerned about Russia/Putin, what is canada doing about it ?

We retain our commitment to NATO.  Fighting terrorists is not what NATO is, regardless how much trump claims it is.  Do you know why NATO was formed?  

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6 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

We retain our commitment to NATO.  Fighting terrorists is not what NATO is, regardless how much trump claims it is.  Do you know why NATO was formed?  

 

Canada is a NATO defence spending deadbeat...by NATO's own standards (2% of GDP).

The Soviet Union is gone...cold war is over.

NATO is now an alliance looking for a mission....long before Trump came along.

Do you know why NATO is weaker today ?   

What is Canada doing about Russia/Putin ?

 

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2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Canada is a NATO defence spending deadbeat...by NATO's own standards (2% of GDP).

The Soviet Union is gone...cold war is over.

NATO is now an alliance looking for a mission....long before Trump came along.

Do you know why NATO is weaker today ?   

 

In 2014, following Russia's military intervention in Ukraine, all NATO members pledged to meet the 2% target by 2024. At that time only three countries -- the US, Greece and the UK -- met the requirement.

 

yeah, ostrich.  Nice view.  

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3 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

In 2014, following Russia's military intervention in Ukraine, all NATO members pledged to meet the 2% target by 2024. At that time only three countries -- the US, Greece and the UK -- met the requirement.

 

Yep...deadbeats....like Canada....which has done nothing about Russia/Putin.

Easier and cheaper to bitch about what America is/is not doing...again.

Same for Obama....same for Trump.

So tell the Canadian deadbeats to just go to hell until they pony up and do better.

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Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Yep...deadbeats....like Canada....which has done nothing about Russia/Putin.

Easier and cheaper to bitch about what America is/is not doing...again.

Same for Obama....same for Trump.

So tell the Canadian deadbeats to just go to hell until they pony up and do better.

 

Yeah sidestep that russia is not a threat as you said earlier and that we placed sanctions on russia at America's request.  Much easier to call us deadbeats and throw us under a bus.  

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3 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Yeah sidestep that russia is not a threat as you said earlier and that we placed sanctions on russia at America's request.  Much easier to call us deadbeats and throw us under a bus.  

 

Canada is a NATO deadbeat...for many years.    Bush said so...so did Obama...so has Trump...very consistent that way.

Don't like it ?   Then stop being deadbeats. 

We don't care if Chrystia Freeland cries in her speeches begging Trump to save the world....because she is a deadbeat too.

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