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Just now, WestCanMan said:

Boges, that cite isn't relevant. 

You said that Shokin wasn't investigating Burisma. I asked for proof. You cited a link that claims Shokin was fired for a different reason. That's not the same thing, at all. 

Find me a source that backs your claim, and don't change the direction. It was your claim, you need to back that claim up. Not change the topic.

He was fired for not investigating corruption. 

The Trump narrative is that he was fired to protect Hunter Biden. Those two narratives don't jive. Assuming you believe Hunter Biden's position at Burisma is corruption and not just plain old Nepotism. 

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3 minutes ago, Boges said:

He was fired for not investigating corruption. 

The Trump narrative is that he was fired to protect Hunter Biden. Those two narratives don't jive. Assuming you believe Hunter Biden's position at Burisma is corruption and not just plain old Nepotism. 

There you go again. Failing to back a claim which you chose to make. 

If there was no evidence to back your claim then you just shouldn't have made it in the first place.

 

Here's a thing that bugs me.... Why is it that I only have to be exposed to CNNery for a minute to expose and conclusively prove material lies in their propaganda and you never-Trumpers are exposed to it constantly and can't even catch them one time? Do you need me to do all of your thinking for you? Do you never get offended when you find out that they lied to you, over and over? You need higher standards Boges. 

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1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

Here's a thing that bugs me.... Why is it that I only have to be exposed to CNNery for a minute to expose and conclusively prove material lies in their propaganda and you never-Trumpers are exposed to it constantly and can't even catch them one time? Do you need me to do all of your thinking for you? Do you never get offended when you find out that they lied to you, over and over? You need higher standards Boges. 

You have presented no standard. You just choose to deny evidence presented. 

I think I've presented many sources that claim that Burisma was not being investigated by Shotkin. And not from CNN. But you refuse to believe it. 

You live in a much smaller bubble than I do. 

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On 1/6/2020 at 10:24 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

It was perfectly with his presidential power to do so.

Which is why he instantly allowed the aid to go ahead and denied he wanted any quid pro quo when someone told on him.

Riiiiiight.

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On 1/6/2020 at 10:25 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

They have to wait for the courts to verify that the process for calling those witnesses was correct, as they were legally challenging them on it. If they wanted Mulvaney to testify, they could have waited

And if Mulvaney had any way to defend this he would have gladly testified. That he didn't speaks volumes.

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On 1/6/2020 at 11:30 AM, Yzermandius19 said:

You have no evidence of a crime, so impeachment based on you not liking the POTUS is just political suicide.

You don't need to have committed a crime to be impeached.

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On 1/6/2020 at 12:58 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

He won't be subpoena'd and if he is, it just means the Republicans are sure his testimony will play to Trump's advantage. Don't get your hopes up.

Oh thanks for confirming that Republicans have no interest in finding out what actually happened as opposed to whitewashing things.

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23 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Did what? Talked to Zelenski about an investigation into an obvious crime?

An "obvious crime" that no American law enforcement agency has the slightest interest in, even Trump's own Justice Department, and that Ukraine also has no interest in. The story originated with a far right conservative group as little more than a conspiracy theory and was kicked around by the likes of Brietbart for a couple of years before Trump came across it and seized on it.

And you call this an 'obvious crime'?

23 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

So what? Everyone on the planet knows that Biden committed a crime because he bragged about it.

Outright lie.

23 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The Dems are trying to prove that Trump withheld aid to force Zelenski to "dig up crap" on Biden. No one on earth has produced any actual evidence of that.

Other than the testimony of everyone involved, of course. Or at least, those willing to testify. Other Republicans who were subpoenaed refused to testify because they don't trust Trump to pardon them if they commit perjury.

If Trump told you to set yourself on fire you'd do it. You're just a cult member without a single thought in your head but worship for your Great Leader.

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3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Here's a thing that bugs me.... Why is it that I only have to be exposed to CNNery for a minute to expose and conclusively prove material lies in their propaganda and you never-Trumpers are exposed to it constantly and can't even catch them one time? Do you need me to do all of your thinking for you? Do you never get offended when you find out that they lied to you, over and over? You need higher standards Boges. 

Maybe we don't buy Trump's excuses because we're not members of your cult.

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3 hours ago, Boges said:

You have presented no standard. You just choose to deny evidence presented. 

I think I've presented many sources that claim that Burisma was not being investigated by Shotkin. And not from CNN. But you refuse to believe it. 

You live in a much smaller bubble than I do. 

BS. I showed the CNN quote, stated exactly how it was incorrect, and then showed their own webpage where they had all of the correct info. You just ignored that part. Shocker.

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19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

BS. I showed the CNN quote, stated exactly how it was incorrect, and then showed their own webpage where they had all of the correct info. You just ignored that part. Shocker.

I never used a CNN quote to argue this issue. 

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26 minutes ago, Argus said:

An "obvious crime" that no American law enforcement agency has the slightest interest in, even Trump's own Justice Department, and that Ukraine also has no interest in. The story originated with a far right conservative group as little more than a conspiracy theory and was kicked around by the likes of Brietbart for a couple of years before Trump came across it and seized on it.

And you call this an 'obvious crime'?

Outright lie.

Other than the testimony of everyone involved, of course. Or at least, those willing to testify. Other Republicans who were subpoenaed refused to testify because they don't trust Trump to pardon them if they commit perjury.

If Trump told you to set yourself on fire you'd do it. You're just a cult member without a single thought in your head but worship for your Great Leader.

Get real Argus. 

Biden got his kid a cushy $50K/mo job, lied and said he knew nothing about it, finally admitted that he did know about it when presented photo evidence, and this was after he bragged on national TV that he withheld $1B in loan guarantees until the prosecutor who was investigating his son's company was fired.

His kid also flew to China on AF2 and closed hundreds of millions of dollars worth of business with the communist bank of China. Again, Joe said he didn't talk to Hunter about what he was doing in China. Never said a word. 

Why did Biden pretend not to know his son worked there if there was nothing wrong with what he was doing? Why does he always pretend that he never talked to his kid and suddenly his kid is up to his eyeballs in money?

Why are you so adamant that this is all above board? Utter hypocrisy, that's why.

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55 minutes ago, Argus said:

Maybe we don't buy Trump's excuses because we're not members of your cult.

That's a total non-sequitur Argus.

The post says, basically "why is it so easy for me to spot CNN's obvious lies when you never manage to catch any at all"? It doesn't say anything about what anyone else said, just CNN. 

I'm not finding these CNN lies with any info from Trump, or Fox News, this is all from cross-referencing CNN's own information that they put out. 

They say two things that don't jive. 1) Some people notice, 2) some people don't. 3) Some people can't even connect the dots when you put the info right there in one post with all the links. Which crowd are you in? (the correct answer is 3)

Care to guess? (the answer is right above here. It's 3. You can get this one thing right. Just reply "3")

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29 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's a total non-sequitur Argus.

The post says, basically "why is it so easy for me to spot CNN's obvious lies when you never manage to catch any at all"? It doesn't say anything about what anyone else said, just CNN. 

I'm not finding these CNN lies with any info from Trump, or Fox News, this is all from cross-referencing CNN's own information that they put out. 

They say two things that don't jive. 1) Some people notice, 2) some people don't. 3) Some people can't even connect the dots when you put the info right there in one post with all the links. Which crowd are you in? (the correct answer is 3)

Care to guess? (the answer is right above here. It's 3. You can get this one thing right. Just reply "3")

I bet you're a conspiracy theorist.

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37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Biden got his kid a cushy $50K/mo job,

Evidence? You saying so doesn't make it so.

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

He lied and said he knew nothing about it, finally admitted that he did know about it when presented photo evidence,

Evidence? Cite?

37 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

His kid also flew to China on AF2 and closed hundreds of millions of dollars worth of business with the communist bank of China.

That doesn't seem to bother you when Trump junior or Ivanka do it.

This seems a reasonable summary of what happened.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/us/politics/joe-biden-ukraine.html

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5 hours ago, Argus said:

Evidence? You saying so doesn't make it so.

Hunter even admitted that he "probably" got that job because his last name was Biden. https://www.dailywire.com/news/hunter-biden-admits-he-probably-got-high-paying-jobs-because-im-the-son-of-the-vice-president

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Evidence? Cite?

One page back I posted a video of Joe Biden saying that he didn't know that Hunter was on the board of Burisma in a reply to Boges. Joe Biden absolutely stated on camera that [paraphrasing] "he didn't even know that Hunter was on the board of Burisma when he fired the prosecutor". TOTAL LIE. And honestly Argus, you've been opining on the topic for long enough that you should know all this by now. 

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That doesn't seem to bother you when Trump junior or Ivanka do it.

This seems a reasonable summary of what happened.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/us/politics/joe-biden-ukraine.html

Paywall...

Regarding Trump Junior and Ivanka, they're still working in the exact same businesses that they were working in before Trump became President, on the same continent, in the same country, for the same company that they were in 2015. Another major difference is that they're not even acquiring any new real estate while Trump is in office, so in fact they've curtailed their business somewhat.

Are you honestly trying to compare that with H Biden? Hunter "got hired" in the Ukraine, where he'd never worked before, in the oil and gas sector, where he'd never worked before, when he didn't even speak Ukrainian, they paid him $50K per month, and they gave him all that money while he was busy off-continent for long periods of time running a business based out of North America and mainly invested in China. Sure Argus, that's just like the Trump kids. Are you honestly making that comparison because it's like comparing a quivering bunny to a raging elephant.

And if that's not enough, there's still the matter of "how did Hunter fly to China on AF2 and just walk out with $500M in new business from the Communist Bank of China" to contend with. (and again, his dad didn't know what he was going to China for) 

If you tried to tell the full & honest story of how Hunter Biden is innocent with a straight face you'd turn BRIGHT purple. Literally no one on earth is stupid enough to believe it. So Biden apologists just say "CNN and the Dems say it's all good. What more evidence could we possibly need?"

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6 hours ago, Boges said:

I never used a CNN quote to argue this issue. 

You speak fluent CNN and nary a sensible word Boges. I'll just leave it at that.

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11 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

It was to protect his family. Hunter wasn't just reaping the benefits of his dad's position in Ukraine, he was also doing it with the Communist Bank of China.

It was the Trump administration's position that a crime by Biden needed to be investigated.

Get your head out of your ass Boges. It was common knowledge for a long time that Joe Biden's position was that he didn't know his son was on the board at Burisma

Here's Joe saying it, rudely, for the 1,000th time, on video: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/11/02/joe_biden_on_hunter_i_didnt_know_he_was_on_the_board_of_that_company.html

If Joe wasn't on record as saying that he didn't know his son worked for Burisma then why would the photo of Joe, Hunter and Devon Archer been a big deal? It was proof that Joe was lying the whole time, about knowing that Hunter worked at Burisma. The day that photo came out was the day that the whistleblower complaint story went hyperbolic. It was the day when the Dems started circling their wagons like a tornado. 

 

For Argus. You can hit the back button if you want to see the original in all it's hyper-glorious awesomeness.

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14 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Hunter even admitted that he "probably" got that job because his last name was Biden. https://www.dailywire.com/news/hunter-biden-admits-he-probably-got-high-paying-jobs-because-im-the-son-of-the-vice-president

Now you're moving the goalposts from "Joe Biden got his son a job" to "Hunter Biden probably got the job because of his dad". Not the same thing. I agree he probably got the job because of who his father was, btw. What I don't see is any action from Biden senior which benefited this company.

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Regarding Trump Junior and Ivanka, they're still working in the exact same businesses that they were working in before Trump became President, on the same continent, in the same country, for the same company that they were in 2015. Another major difference is that they're not even acquiring any new real estate while Trump is in office, so in fact they've curtailed their business somewhat.

Riiiight. Ivanka got a string of new patents from the Chinese govenrment and her brother gets $500 million of Chinese money invested in a Trump resort in Indonesia and right after that daddy unexpectedly says he'll remove sanctions from a Chinese telecommunications company. Nice!

 

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22 hours ago, Argus said:

Oh thanks for confirming that Republicans have no interest in finding out what actually happened as opposed to whitewashing things.

Neither do Democrats. If you don't have the President committing a crime, you aren't going to succeed in removing them from office via impeachment. Even if you do have them committing a crime, they could get off and be more popular than ever, see Bill Clinton. Going forward with ground as flimsy as the Democrats are using to go after Trump will just help Trump, and they have less on Trump than Republicans had on Clinton. If you think going forward on impeachment without evidence of a crime is going to hurt Trump, you are engaging in wishful thinking.

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4 hours ago, Argus said:

Riiiight. Ivanka got a string of new patents from the Chinese govenrment and her brother gets $500 million of Chinese money invested in a Trump resort in Indonesia and right after that daddy unexpectedly says he'll remove sanctions from a Chinese telecommunications company. Nice!

Cite? And not something behind a paywall.

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Now you're moving the goalposts from "Joe Biden got his son a job" to "Hunter Biden probably got the job because of his dad". Not the same thing. I agree he probably got the job because of who his father was, btw.

I didn't move the goalposts at at all. Hunter admitting that his dad got him that job is like saying that Burisma was giving $50K/mo to the Biden family. That's the same Burisma that is widely acknowledged to be on of the most corrupt companies in Ukraine.

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What I don't see is any action from Biden senior which benefited this company.

The firing of Shokin doesn't ring any bells? 

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12 minutes ago, Boges said:

So who here really believes Trump has no idea who Lev Parnas is? 

WestCanMan for sure.  Pictures evidencing otherwise were all Photo-shopped by the Deep-state Media-party.

I can't help but notice that Trump and his butt-sniffing lickspittles don't use the terms deepstate and media party as much.  Did it finally dawn on someone just how abjectly stupid it made them sound?

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The Democrats seem to be falling into the trap that happens to politicians of all stripes. There is a tendency to tell the voter what they should think rather than listen to what they do think. President Trump's constituancy supports him because they believe he is listening to their message. I believe he will win in 2020 barring the unforseen. His other qualities aside, he really knows how to campaign. Democrats should pay attention. Listen to what the voters are saying.

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1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said:

The Democrats seem to be falling into the trap that happens to politicians of all stripes. There is a tendency to tell the voter what they should think rather than listen to what they do think. President Trump's constituancy supports him because they believe he is listening to their message. I believe he will win in 2020 barring the unforseen. His other qualities aside, he really knows how to campaign. Democrats should pay attention. Listen to what the voters are saying.

The whole country has fallen into a trap.

The trouble is that Trump's and the Republican constituency don't know it's ass from a hole in the ground. People talk about Bush or Trump derangement syndromes but these are like mild headaches compared to the brain wasting disease of left/liberal/progressive derangement syndrome that conservatives suffer from. This death spiral of polarization has been going on for decades ever since the likes of Limbaugh Coulter and other no-holds barred partisan war-hawks took hold of the GOP's shtik.  Trump is simply the most recent albeit the most telling symptom of America's descent into its next civil-war. 

Democratic voters are probably just wondering when the Democrats are going to issue their call to arms as well.

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