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11 minutes ago, New World Disorder said:

Notice absolute silence from Trump supporters on this forum. Telling is it not?

 

Telling of what ?   So called "progressives" are so much better at race baiting from across the border.

Obama cop killings riots good...Trump riots bad ?

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7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Telling of what ?   So called "progressives" are so much better at race baiting from across the border.

Obama cop killings riots good...Trump riots bad ?

It's nice to see what kind of 'leader' Trump really is.  The nation is in a crisis and he hides in a bunker.  That's your guy!

Your next reply would most likely been about Trudeau.

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3 minutes ago, New World Disorder said:

It's nice to see what kind of 'leader' Trump really is.  The nation is in a crisis and he hides in a bunker.  That's your guy!

Your next reply would most likely been about Trudeau.

 

Trudeau is your problem, not mine....but you choose to make Trump your problem as well for reasons only you understand.

I have seen plenty of President Trump....he was at the Cape to watch the Space X Crew Dragon launch with many other Americans...and spoke directly to the current "crisis".

Canada can only watch...as usual.

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4 hours ago, Boges said:

None of the Obama protesting was this bad and widespread. 

Wrong. For 3 years there was widespread rioting and looting in the US. This is nothing compared to Ferguson. 

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I don't think he has the guts to order the US Military to go into US cities and start cracking heads. 

The difference between Trump's and Obama's response to the rioting is already evident.

The National Guard is already out in many places pre-empting heavy rioting and looting. When Obama was potus the rioting and looting went on completely unchecked for 3 years.

 

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44 minutes ago, New World Disorder said:

Notice absolute silence from Trump supporters on this forum. Telling is it not?

Yeah, we're working.

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History is repeating itself....1960's social unrest, protests, rioting, even assassinations peaked in 1968 after two Democrat presidents (JFK & LBJ).   Nixon promised more "law and order".... and won the '68 election.   

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1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Trudeau is your problem, not mine....but you choose to make Trump your problem as well for reasons only you understand.

We know. You keep trying to remind us.  Not to worry, we got this.

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

I have seen plenty of President Trump....he was at the Cape to watch the Space X Crew Dragon launch with many other Americans...and spoke directly to the current "crisis".

Canada can only watch...as usual.

This is something that I don't mind watching. As long as it stays south of the 49th.

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1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Yeah, we're working.

5 Days later , Orange Man appears on TV to tell us Martial Law is coming.  Good thing he gave that bunker a test run. He may need it again very soon.

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6 minutes ago, New World Disorder said:

We know. You keep trying to remind us.  Not to worry, we got this.

This is something that I don't mind watching. As long as it stays south of the 49th.

 

Canada even watches America "north of the 49th"...it is just what Canada does....keep watching.

 

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1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Canada even watches America "north of the 49th"...it is just what Canada does....keep watching.

 

I am crankin the hell out of Childish Gambino right now ..  sing it with me . 'This is America ...'

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1 hour ago, New World Disorder said:

5 Days later , Orange Man appears on TV to tell us Martial Law is coming.  Good thing he gave that bunker a test run. He may need it again very soon.

He could just let the riots go on for 3 years like Obama did. You can tell these people aren't done grieving yet:

 

Grieving Protestors.jpg

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3 hours ago, New World Disorder said:

It's nice to see what kind of 'leader' Trump really is.  The nation is in a crisis and he hides in a bunker.  That's your guy!

Your next reply would most likely been about Trudeau.

I’m not sure what you’re talking about.  He held a press conference today outside at a church progressive pukes tried to burn down.  Apparently the church was involved in George Floyd’s death too.

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3 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Yeah, we're working.

It’s usually easier for progressive pukes to protest err riot because they don’t have to worry about missing work. 

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1 minute ago, Shady said:

It’s usually easier for progressive pukes to protest err riot because they don’t have to worry about missing work. 

Or part of it is because many are out of work, because of a pandemic and a failing economy.  However it appears the looters and rioters are coordinated and between cities.

 

4 minutes ago, Shady said:

I’m not sure what you’re talking about.  He held a press conference today outside at a church progressive pukes tried to burn down.  Apparently the church was involved in George Floyd’s death too.

A leader would have been way ahead of this. But that's not Trump's style. And come on, using tear gas to disperse the crowd so he could cross the street to the burnt out church with bible in hand?  Yikes!

And no, I absolutely 100% reject damaging property and looting. That won't solve a damn thing.   March on the legislative grounds and sit down and let your voice be heard.  There is a good way to do this, and the overwhelming majority of protests have been peaceful. 

The few bad apples among the cops ruin it for the rest, and same for the citizens. Need to call those out on both sides.

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25 minutes ago, New World Disorder said:

Or part of it is because many are out of work, because of a pandemic and a failing economy.  However it appears the looters and rioters are coordinated and between cities.

 

A leader would have been way ahead of this. But that's not Trump's style. And come on, using tear gas to disperse the crowd so he could cross the street to the burnt out church with bible in hand?  Yikes!

And no, I absolutely 100% reject damaging property and looting. That won't solve a damn thing.   March on the legislative grounds and sit down and let your voice be heard.  There is a good way to do this, and the overwhelming majority of protests have been peaceful. 

The few bad apples among the cops ruin it for the rest, and same for the citizens. Need to call those out on both sides.

I actually agree with you.  The indefinite illogical stay at home orders created a tinderbox.  Hopefully this is a good lesson for people in charge.  You don’t purposely put tens of millions of people out of work for an extended period of time and not expect serious ramifications.  I also agree that leaders should have been ahead of this.  But particularly mayors and police departments of cities purposely refused to enforce the law and prevent the rioters from taking action.  In some cases it was a let them release some anger strategy.  It was as irresponsible as the stay at home orders.

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1 hour ago, Shady said:

I actually agree with you.  The indefinite illogical stay at home orders created a tinderbox.  Hopefully this is a good lesson for people in charge.  You don’t purposely put tens of millions of people out of work for an extended period of time and not expect serious ramifications.  I also agree that leaders should have been ahead of this.  But particularly mayors and police departments of cities purposely refused to enforce the law and prevent the rioters from taking action.  In some cases it was a let them release some anger strategy.  It was as irresponsible as the stay at home orders.

What indefinite stay at home orders? You've failed to answer this a couple times now.

I wonder how much of this tinderbox is being fuelled by stingy governments and a lack of adequate benefits and relief for unemployed Americans?

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Relief programs are set to run out, severing an economic lifeline.

The latest sign of the economic strain and the government’s role in easing it came Thursday, when the Labor Department reported that 2.1 million more Americans applied for unemployment benefits last week. More than 40 million people have filed for benefits since the crisis began, and some 30 million are receiving them.

The multitrillion-dollar patchwork of federal and state programs has not kept bills from piling up or prevented long lines at food banks, but it has mitigated the damage. Now the expiration of those programs represents a cliff that individuals — and the broader economy — are hurtling toward.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/us/coronavirus-news-usa.html

People know the clock is running out and they're scared.  There is fear as well as anger driving the anarchy unfolding south of us. We may not have seen anything yet but we might if it's fear that tips the imbalance farther.

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Oh the Irony of Trump's act yesterday. 

You have an objectively peaceful protest outside of the White House. Then Tear Gas Trump has them violently cleared out so he can lie about valuing peaceful protestors and say that this is all about Antifa. Then says he'll have the US Military restore order. 

THEN!!! goes to a church to hold a Bible up. Doesn't go in, doesn't pray. It was just a photo-op. 

He put people's lives in danger to look tough then tries to appeal to his Christian base. The level of contradiction in all of this is astonishing. 

Does Trump have the stomach to order the US military to shoot US civilians in US cities? That's why the US can't win wars anymore. It's easy to dominate people, but restoring order and peace, that's the difficult part. 

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10 hours ago, eyeball said:

What indefinite stay at home orders? You've failed to answer this a couple times now.

I wonder how much of this tinderbox is being fuelled by stingy governments and a lack of adequate benefits and relief for unemployed Americans?

People know the clock is running out and they're scared.  There is fear as well as anger driving the anarchy unfolding south of us. We may not have seen anything yet but we might if it's fear that tips the imbalance farther.

I partially agree.  The benefits were inadequate, but that's to be expected from a large beauracracy.  They're inherently inefficient.    Thankfully the powers that be are lifting the illogical stay at home orders now.  Hopefully that helps a bit.

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9 minutes ago, Shady said:

I partially agree.  The benefits were inadequate, but that's to be expected from a large beauracracy.  They're inherently inefficient.    Thankfully the powers that be are lifting the illogical stay at home orders now.  Hopefully that helps a bit.

IF the powers that be could not fix this before, it shows they have been unwilling to fix it at all. The economy was crashing before the virus came.

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1 hour ago, Shady said:

I partially agree.  The benefits were inadequate, but that's to be expected from a large beauracracy.  They're inherently inefficient.    Thankfully the powers that be are lifting the illogical stay at home orders now.  Hopefully that helps a bit.

You'd especially expect inadequacy when the government's heart really isn't into handing out free stuff to people.  Benefits seem adequate in Canada despite our large bureaucracy although there should be better support for small business' and people threatened by mortgage defaults.  I don't see any reason to leave people behind.  Front line workers who risked their health during the bleakest time should also be rewarded with a tax holiday and or bonus.  History would indicate that opening early is the wrong thing to do.  History also indicates countries that take a more cautionary approach save more lives and have better economic recoveries that remain apparent years later in terms of growth and GDP.  I don't see much helping the US at all right at the moment.

A straight up comparison seems to indicate that socialism is proving more effective at dealing with pandemics than capitalism.  From here it looks like a government has to use just as much or more force to impose capitalism on a society as it does to impose socialism on people.

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Where is the money spent?

Notice how equipped the Police are,,  while the front line medical workers get broken PPE from China.  You'd think it would be the other way around.

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21 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Trudeau is your problem, not mine....but you choose to make Trump your problem as well for reasons only you understand.

 

An analogy that explains Canada's interest in US politics is: imagine you are driving a Honda Civic on a busy freeway, hemmed in front and rear by other cars. Beside you is a tractor trailer truck. Now imagine that truck is being driven by someone with no experience , no training and not particularly concerned about the vehicles around him. The chances are, everyone will manage to reach our destination but you will still be watching his every move like a hawk. 

Does that help you understand why we seem to be obsessed by current US Presidential politics. I know some will be afraid, if they change drivers, the next guy might fall asleep at the wheel.

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20 hours ago, Shady said:

I’m not sure what you’re talking about.  He held a press conference today outside at a church progressive pukes tried to burn down.  Apparently the church was involved in George Floyd’s death too.

You don't really think Trump is a Christian or knows or cares anything about Christianity, do you?

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