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From what I've read in the media, joining this bank is guaranteed to lead to a wonderful new found friendship with China and enhanced trade relations.

Looks like joining is part of the price China demanded for delaying its bogus regulations which will block Canadian Canola imports. I think it would have been cheaper to simply compensate Canola farmers especially since China will turn around and impose the regulations as soon as the ink dries on the Canadian contribution to the bank. Edited by TimG
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Looks like joining is part of the price China demanded for delaying its bogus regulations which will block Canadian Canola imports. I think it would have been cheaper to simply compensate Canola farmers especially since China will turn around and impose the regulations as soon as the ink dries on the Canadian contribution to the bank.

Indeed.

Here's something interesting to note: "But the Prime Minister and International Trade Minister Chrystia Freeland came to no permanent solution, leaving Ms. Freeland to plead with her Chinese counterparts for a long-term solution by late September, when Mr. Li is expected in Canada for an official visit."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/china-delays-canola-rules-as-little-progress-made-for-canadian-agenda/article31633334/

It just so happens that Ms. Freeland's father is a canola grower. Dad may not receive the good news he expected from his influential daughter.

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Trudeau has taken one question since he has been in china, but a lot of pictures of trudeau the tourist and basketball player. Harper was always roasted for taking few questions, but again the media will not say boo about trudeau.

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Trudeau has taken one question since he has been in china, but a lot of pictures of trudeau the tourist and basketball player. Harper was always roasted for taking few questions, but again the media will not say boo about trudeau.

Trudeau has taken more questions and made more appearances than Harper ever did in 9 years. There are reasons to criticize him - this isn't one.

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Wrong, this china trip is important and we need to know what he is up to. And again if it was harper ,it would have its own thread up by now. And there is a big difference between photo ops and taking questions.

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Wrong, this china trip is important and we need to know what he is up to. And again if it was harper ,it would have its own thread up by now. And there is a big difference between photo ops and taking questions.

We know exactly what he's up to - there's a running tally of announcements and appearances on CTV.

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One bilateral meeting with the president of chad. Side meeting with the others ,but I imagine they were just nice get together and nobody probably paid any attention to him anyways and the meeting on Ukraine where we have soldiers ,were not even asked to join in. We are now the laughing stock of the world. Of course the press loves him,that that means nothing. Under Harper we were respected.

http://www.ottawasun.com/2016/09/05/selfies-not-substance-hurting-pm-at-g20

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As if that makes a difference. The Chinese government keeps tight control over media - public and private. Nothing gets put on air unless it conveys the message the Communist Party wants. How many programs have been broadcast on this "private media" that document the abuse of the Tibetans and Uighurs? How many Chinese think the policy of forced assimilation for conquered people is a bad thing? Natives love to blame the government everything in Canada but they have rights and privileges in Canada that minorities in countries like China would never dream of.

Your little story was covered on Canadian media. Whatever the chief said I am sure he has said the same thing on Canadian media. The exact content was not broadcast because Canadians have heard the same thing over and over. This story is about the Chinese government wishing to distract its people from the gross human rights abuses at home.

One out of every 10 Chinese go abroad to you called free world each year for travelling. Can Chinese government control the media out of China? Like in the United States? Chinese have more freedom in getting information from more channels than most Canadians who are surrounded by western brain wash content only.

It is not a problem of what China's foreign minister want.

It is a problem of what you want or not want.

They don't hostile to you, you want to hostile to them.

You want to stick on your decades long brain washed content that said China people are poor.

You want to follow the US no matter how many US take from you.

However, US has already benefit from China.

http://tinet.ita.doc.gov/pdf/2015-Top-10-Markets.pdf

Rank
Country 2015 Spending
1
China (+12%) $26.9 Billion
A decade ago, China ranked ninth in terms of total tourism-related spending in the United States. Now,
however, after more than a decade of double-digit growth (averaging 24% a year since 2004), China has
become the #1 market for U.S. travel and tourism exports—injecting nearly $74 million a day into the
U.S. economy. Travel and tourism exports account for 59% of all U.S. services exports to China.

http://media.unwto.org/press-release/2016-05-03/exports-international-tourism-rise-4-2015

China continues to lead global outbound travel after double-digit growth in tourism expenditure every year since 2004, benefitting Asian destinations such as Japan and Thailand as well as the United States and various European destinations. Spending by Chinese travellers increased 25% in 2015 to reach US$ 292 billion, as total outbound travellers rose 10% to 128 million.

And you don't care how many Canadians can get jobs if those tourists comes.

All you care about is the brain washed false illusion that media and your education has been giving you every day.

p.s.

The episode was broadcast. If you call it propaganda, it is actually propaganda for Canada and "free world".

http://www.iqiyi.com/v_19rrm4glr8.html

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One out of every 10 Chinese go abroad to you called free world each year for travelling.

And how many of them speak enough English or other local language that would allow them to follow the media in the countries they visit? How many even bother even if they could? People on vacation usually don't spend a lot of time watching/reading the news.

[Cinese have more freedom in getting information from more channels than most Canadians who are surrounded by western brain wash content only.

Complete nonsense. Canadians can read the New York Times and access Google which censors nothing. Chinese cannot. Canadians can access media which offer multiple points of view. Chinese can only hear the authorized communist party view. You clearly have no idea what free press means. It does not mean every source is unbiased because all sources are biased. What it means is people are free to access multiple sources with multiple biases so they can get the complete picture. Edited by TimG
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One out of every 10 Chinese go abroad to you called free world each year for travelling.

And how many of them speak enough English or other local language that would allow them to follow the media in the countries they visit? How many even bother even if they could? People on vacation usually don't spend a lot of time watching/reading the news.

There are plenty of information prepared by CIA supported organizations such as Fa Lun Gong written in Chinese full of every kind of Chinese media in US, Canada, Europe, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and everywhere. Those people just stand everywhere like in front of supper market, I have even seen them at the Ferry Boat port to the Toronto Center Island promoting their rumors, lies and the brain washing materials. Chinese tourists need not know any English to understand those things. They have plenty chances to receive those information.

Even they did not, according your following answer, They "are free to access" those information.

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Chinese have more freedom in getting information from more channels than most Canadians who are surrounded by western brain wash content only.

Complete nonsense. Canadians can read the New York Times and access Google which censors nothing. Chinese cannot. Canadians can access media which offer multiple points of view. Chinese can only hear the authorized communist party view. You clearly have no idea what free press means. It does not mean every source is unbiased because all sources are biased. What it means is people are free to access multiple sources with multiple biases so they can get the complete picture.

China has made great achievements, it has lifted 660 million people out of poverty between 1978 and 2010. 93.3% of the world poverty reduction comes from China, and it has achieved huge successful that we can found things related with China everywhere in everyday life. However, in media here, we can hardly find positive comment related to China. What we can found are always negative things for decades. This is obviously brain wash.

Chinese can only hear the authorized communist party view.

That is definitely a lie. Did you even watched the episode that Canada government tried to block:

p.s.

The episode was broadcast. If you call it propaganda, it is actually propaganda for Canada and "free world".

http://www.iqiyi.com/v_19rrm4glr8.html

It has plenty of content that preaching about the "freedom" in Canada, US. Are those your so called " the authorized communist party view", and his talk show has been clicked more than 800 million times in China. And there are too many people try to promote western "universal values" full of Chinese popular forums.

That is the reason that Chinese has more freedom in access various opinions and different point of views and different kind of information than Canadians. That is the reason that Chinese can have more ideas on how to solve problems. That is the reason that China become world's 2nd largest economy in such a short time. They actually have more freedom than people live in the western nations.

It is obviously that your are either brain washed or trying to brain wash others or both.

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They have plenty chances to receive those information.

But only when they leave China. Do you really not see the huge problem here?

That is the reason that Chinese has more freedom in access various opinions and different point of views and different kind of information than Canadians.

ROTFL. I will stop laughing at your absurdities when the Chinese government stops blocking major websites like NYT, Le Monde, Google or Facebook. I will take you seriously when Chinese can openly advocate an independent Tibet or Taiwan or have a memorial for the victims of the Tiananmen Square massacre without fear of being thrown in jail.

That is the reason that China become world's 2nd largest economy in such a short time.

China always should have been a large player on the world stage. It wasn't because it decided to waste 40 years trying to run the country with a bankrupt economic ideology. It recovered quickly largely because of the generosity shown by western countries that allowed China access to its markets even though China systematically stole the ideas and technology it needed to produce those products. Without the western world's markets, technology and money, China would still be an economic backwater. Edited by TimG
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But only when they leave China. Do you really not see the huge problem here?

So you intentionally ignored my comment in the same post:

It has plenty of content that preaching about the "freedom" in Canada, US. Are those your so called " the authorized communist party view", and his talk show has been clicked more than 800 million times in China. And there are too many people try to promote western "universal values" full of Chinese popular forums.

Now we can clear see what you really are.

ROTFL. I will stop laughing at your absurdities when the Chinese government stops blocking major websites like NYT, Le Monde, Google or Facebook. I will take you seriously when Chinese can openly advocate an independent Tibet or Taiwan or have a memorial for the victims of the Tiananmen Square massacre without fear of being thrown in jail.

Those are national security issues. Those are wars between China and US leading west world. Many US politicians and Canadian politicians are hostile to China, they want to change the system of China by means of color revolution. Google, Facebook are tools used by US government to launch color revolutions in many country. Thousands people died in those color revolutions, refugees created because of those revolutions and other wars backed or involved by US, more terrorists created after those color revolutions. Block access to those information is good to world peace and good for Canada. Doing business and provide cheap goods with China is better than have wars with China.

On the other hand, as I said in the previous posts, Chinese government's behavior can not block Chinese from get those information, too many know those things.

If you did this kind of things in Canada (try to change government through revolution), you will be send to jails too.

China always should have been a large player on the world stage. It wasn't because it decided to waste 40 years trying to run the country with a bankrupt economic ideology. It recovered quickly largely because of the generosity shown by western countries that allowed China access to its markets even though China systematically stole the ideas and technology it needed to produce those products. Without the western world's markets, technology and money, China would still be an economic backwater.

Canada should improve the economy too, but Canada did not improved so much compare with China.

And US systematically stole ideas from Europe during and after WWII for a long time and you keep silent.

And now US and Canada systematically use new ideas on mobile phone and internet area as I previous post indicated and you ignore those information too.

Without western world's markets, technology and money, China was the No.1 economy for thousands of years before Opium War. During that period westerners systematically killed hundreds of millions of people on the earth and destroy various of civilizations everywhere include native American civilizations.

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Those are national security issues. Those are wars between China and US leading west world. Many US politicians and Canadian politicians are hostile to China, they want to change the system of China by means of color revolution.

What Western politicians want is China to follow the path of Taiwan and become a multi-party democracy with a free press and rule of law. Democracies with a free press can be trusted. One party states with no free press are dangerous. What politicians in the West also want is that China become a responsible partner in managing the world economy. That means China needs to stop threatening to start wars with its neighbors over irrelevant islands and it needs to accept that Taiwan is an independent state that may or may not choose to rejoin China at some point in time in the future. None of these things requires a revolution in China (there was no revolution in Taiwan when it evolved from a one party state into a democracy). In fact the last thing any politician in the West wants is a revolution in China.

Google, Facebook are tools used by US government to launch color revolutions in many country.

Nonsense. They are information distribution hubs. Their connection to the US government is only a concern if one uses services like gmail. If one only uses the sites to find and read information they are no threat what so ever. The blanket bans have nothing to with security and you should know that. The Chinese government bans those sites because it does not it citizens reading POVs that it disagrees with.

And US systematically stole ideas from Europe during and after WWII for a long time and you keep silent.

You are the one talking with so much pride about what China accomplished in 20 years. I simply pointed out that China could not have done that without the assistance and support of the West.

Without western world's markets, technology and money, China was the No.1 economy for thousands of years before Opium War.

Yet a few interlopers from the other side of the world were able to topple it and keep it subjugated for 200 years? Spare me. China was a tree rotten to the core when the Europeans showed up. It took China 200 years to figure out how to modernize and in the process killed more of its own citizens in civil wars and state created famines that the West ever did.

During that period westerners systematically killed hundreds of millions of people on the earth and destroy various of civilizations everywhere include native American civilizations.

And how exactly do think the land area which we call China today was created? China followed the exact same path where a kingdom expanded, conquered and then assimilated its neighbors, repeat over and over. That process is still going on in Tibet and Xinjiang where the Han Chinese are acting no differently that the Europeans in Africa and North America 300 years ago. China has absolutely no business pointing fingers at the Europeans. Edited by TimG
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What Western politicians want is China to follow the path of Taiwan and become a multi-party democracy with a free press and rule of law. Democracies with a free press can be trusted. One party states with no free press are dangerous. What politicians in the West also want is that China become a responsible partner in managing the world economy. That means China needs to stop threatening to start wars with its neighbors over irrelevant islands and it needs to accept that Taiwan is an independent state that may or may not choose to rejoin China at some point in time in the future. None of these things requires a revolution in China (there was no revolution in Taiwan when it evolved from a one party state into a democracy). In fact the last thing any politician in the West wants is a revolution in China.

Totally lies. What US want is rob more from China. Singapore government has one party only, Saudi is dictate nation, US live with them very well, because US can use them as a base for attack other nations. Haiti's president was democratically elected, Ukraine's president was democratically elected, US used various ugly methods to remove the president. US also use Brexit to remove David Cameron because he try to work with China to improve British economy. US don't care if a nation is democracy or not, it cares only about its interest.

Nonsense. They are information distribution hubs. Their connection to the US government is only a concern if one uses services like gmail. If one only uses the sites to find and read information they are no threat what so ever. The blanket bans have nothing to with security and you should know that. The Chinese government bans those sites because it does not it citizens reading POVs that it disagrees with.

You comment is nonsense. after all those color revolutions happened.

You are the one talking with so much pride about what China accomplished in 20 years. I simply pointed out that China could not have done that without the assistance and support of the West.

Without aggressive west, there won't be so many people died in wars in recent several hundreds of years. Without US lead west, there won't be so many people died in wars in 21 century.
China will develop better if not US lead west keep trying to contain china and limit it from development.

Yet a few interlopers from the other side of the world were able to topple it and keep it subjugated for 200 years? Spare me. China was a tree rotten to the core when the Europeans showed up. It took China 200 years to figure out how to modernize and in the process killed more of its own citizens in civil wars and state created famines that the West ever did.

Lie, it not a few interlopers, its multiple western nations, using lies cheating as well as warships, guns, various strategies. try to tear china into small pieces and eat each ones. If not due to china's great population, china will be the same fate as Africa and native Americas. West kill the most people during WWI, and during WWII, and during hundred of years before WWI and during the time after WWII, it keep try to blame others (most time with lies) to try to justify its own killings.

And how exactly do think the land area which we call China today was created? China followed the exact same path where a kingdom expanded, conquered and then assimilated its neighbors, repeat over and over. That process is still going on in Tibet and Xinjiang where the Han Chinese are acting no differently that the Europeans in Africa and North America 300 years ago. China has absolutely no business pointing fingers at the Europeans.

Thieves can not imaging others are not thieves. they always try to false accusation others to be a thief or make a trap to make other to be a thief to justify themselves.

They can never understand the world can be better when it runs in another way,

They refuse to learn how to do that by learn from history and learning from others.

Because they still want to be shameless thieves.

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Totally lies. What US want is rob more from China. Singapore government has one party only, Saudi is dictate nation, US live with them very well, because US can use them as a base for attack other nations.

This is why a free press is important. You have been force fed a version of world politics that is designed to make you fear the west and support the Communist dictators of China. The attitude you express is a testament to how successful the Communist party propaganda apparatus has been. Your denials don't change the fact that everything I said is 100% true. The Western politicians wants China to be a constructive part of the international order. At the same time Western politicians fear China because of the hateful propaganda the Communist party has been feeding their people in order to stay in power. Politicians in the West know the Saudi regime is bad too and would like to see it replaced with a democracy. Ultimately, that is why the US invaded Iraq. They thought that if they could replace Saddam with a democratically elected government they would allow Iraqis to create a more prosperous future for themselves and be an example for the other countries in the region. That experiment was a miserable failure because Iraqi society was too tribal to make a democracy work. You can be assured that the US has learned from their errors and will never make that mistake again.

You comment is nonsense. after all those color revolutions happened.

Taiwan's transition to a true democracy was bloodless. No one died. Nothing was destroyed. The Taiwanese example proves that democracy and a free press can work for Chinese. But the Communist Party does not want Chinese to learn that which is why they censor the media.

Lie, it not a few interlopers, its multiple western nations, using lies cheating as well as warships, guns, various strategies

We are still talking about a very small number of people compared to the population of China. The only reason they were able to do that was because the Chinese institutions had rotted and had no strength left. Other countries, like Japan, realized the error of their ways and quickly started to modernize their economy starting in the 1860s. The Chinese did not start until 1990.

they always try to false accusation others to be a thief or make a trap to make other to be a thief to justify themselves.

What do you know of the Tibetans of the Uyghurs? Do you believe their welcome their Han Chinese overlords? Do you believe they support their extermination of the culture by Han Chinese immigrants? Why don't you explain to me why there is any difference between the experience of the Tibetans and Uyghurs at the hands of the Han Chinese and the experience of the Native Americans at the hands of the Europeans? Edited by TimG
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This is why a free press is important. You have been force fed a version of world politics that is designed to make you fear the west and support the Communist dictators of China. The attitude you express is a testament to how successful the Communist party propaganda apparatus has been. Your denials don't change the fact that everything I said is 100% true. The Western politicians wants China to be a constructive part of the international order. At the same time Western politicians fear China because of the hateful propaganda the Communist party has been feeding their people in order to stay in power. Politicians in the West know the Saudi regime is bad too and would like to see it replaced with a democracy. Ultimately, that is why the US invaded Iraq. They thought that if they could replace Saddam with a democratically elected government they would allow Iraqis to create a more prosperous future for themselves and be an example for the other countries in the region. That experiment was a miserable failure because Iraqi society was too tribal to make a democracy work. You can be assured that the US has learned from their errors and will never make that mistake again.

What you said is completely wrong. I don't fear west, I just look down it. It is not due to Communist Party in China. When I was in China, once I was very admire west system, that was part of the reason I moved to here. The change happened after I live here for many years and found there are too many people in Canada live in a poor condition. And the government has almost no intention to solve the real problems, they just focus on attack between parties and keep themselves elected, and then I started to research more and find although democracy may be good, current style of western democracy is just for top interest groups to rob more wealth from working people and from the rest of the world. It has no function to meet most people's need. It makes government almost no function. for example, Toronto is unable to build a meter of new subway, while in a 2nd rate or 3rd rate Chinese city can build a subway line in one or a few years. I don't hate west, I just have sympathy for the people lived under the western fake democracy and fake freedom, and the victims of wars created by the cruel western politicians.
US has not change, because it is still trying to create color revolutions and real wars in order to change other governments.

Taiwan's transition to a true democracy was bloodless. No one died. Nothing was destroyed. The Taiwanese example proves that democracy and a free press can work for Chinese. But the Communist Party does not want Chinese to learn that which is why they censor the media.

Taiwan's economy become worse and worse after you so called "democracy" happened. which is fake too, and made by US of cause.

We are still talking about a very small number of people compared to the population of China. The only reason they were able to do that was because the Chinese institutions had rotted and had no strength left. Other countries, like Japan, realized the error of their ways and quickly started to modernize their economy starting in the 1860s. The Chinese did not start until 1990.

Japan did not start in a correct way, it just tried to become a thief like western nations to robbery other nations and kill people of other nations until it was defeated in WWII.
Chinese did not following the western fake "democracy", yet it make huge progress even when western try to contain it.

What do you know of the Tibetans of the Uyghurs? Do you believe their welcome their Han Chinese overlords? Do you believe they support their extermination of the culture by Han Chinese immigrants? Why don't you explain to me why there is any difference between the experience of the Tibetans and Uyghurs at the hands of the Han Chinese and the experience of the Native Americans at the hands of the Europeans?

Suyab city which is now in Kyrgyzstan is the home town of one of the most famous ancient Chinese poet Li Bai who was born in the year 701 AD. What you can do is only tell lies.

If Han Chinese is similar as west politicians who enjoy killing, western nations would disappear a thousand years ago.

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The change happened after I live here for many years and found there are too many people in Canada live in a poor condition.

And all of them have more than poor Chinese. They are only poor by comparison to other Canadians. By definition any capitalist economy will have poor people and the debate is only about what level of services will be offered to them to ensure they are not destitute.

And the government has almost no intention to solve the real problems, they just focus on attack between parties and keep themselves elected

The exact same thing goes on in China behind closed doors. DO you really think Xi and his family amassed billions of dollars because they are good businessmen? The system in China is rigged to benefit the 500 or so families that occupy the top echelon of the Communist Party. When Xi has a disagreement on policy with someone else he simply launches a 'corruption probe' and throws the dissenter in jail. There is no universe where the Chinese system is better for the common people than a western democracy - warts and all.

Taiwan's economy become worse and worse after you so called "democracy" happened. which is fake too, and made by US of cause.

They have elections and the party that wins gets power and the party that loses peacefully relinquishes power. That is the essence of democracy and Taiwan's democracy is very real. Democracy is no guarantee of a good economy. Many factors affect that and democratically elected politicians sometimes do dumb things. But there is no better way to keep government honest than a system that allows the people to kick leaders out of power without requiring a revolution.

Japan did not start in a correct way, it just tried to become a thief like western nations to robbery other nations and kill people of other nations until it was defeated in WWII.

Yes, Japan tried to emulate the European model but they succeeded enough to push the Europeans out of Asia. Something that China was unable to do. Japan has since reformed and has built its prosperity by working within the international order. China should learn from post WW2 Japan instead of trying to emulate pre-WW2 Japan.

Suyab city which is now in Kyrgyzstan is the home town of one of the most famous ancient Chinese poet Li Bai who was born in the year 701 AD.

What does that do with anything? I asked you a simple question:

What do you know of the Tibetans of the Uyghurs? Do you believe their welcome their Han Chinese overlords? Do you believe they support their extermination of the culture by Han Chinese immigrants? Why don't you explain to me why there is any difference between the experience of the Tibetans and Uyghurs at the hands of the Han Chinese and the experience of the Native Americans at the hands of the Europeans?

Please answer the question.

Here is a link to give you an idea what the Tibetans think of the Han Chinese: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-14533879

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And almost all of them have more than poor Chinese. They are only poor by comparison to other Canadians. By definition any capitalist economy will have poor people and the debate is only about what level of services will be offered to them to ensure they are not destitute.

Lots of Chinese were poor is caused by more than 100 years of wars started by western nations for robbery from China.

And how poor is chinese poor people and canadian poor people has nothing to do with if Canadian politicians willing to improve the condition of Canadians.

Chinese has poor people is not an excuse for Canadian "democracy" don't care about its own people.

Actually china has made 660 million people out of poverty from 1978 to 2010, most people's living condition greatly improved there. At the same time, "democracy" Canadian government unable to do much on improve people's living condition.

The exact same thing goes on in China behind closed doors. DO you really think Xi and his family amassed billions of dollars because they are good businessmen? The system in China is rigged to benefit the 500 or so families that occupy the top echelon of the Communist Party. When Xi has a disagreement on policy with someone else he simply launches a 'corruption probe' and throws the dissenter in jail. There is no universe where the Chinese system is better for the common people than a western democracy - warts and all.

That is mostly lies. Even it was like so, it is not an excuse for the "democray" Canada to behavior so poor.

They have elections and the party that wins gets power and the party that loses peacefully relinquishes power. That is the essence of democracy and Taiwan's democracy is very real. Democracy is no guarantee of a good economy. Many factors affect that and democratically elected politicians sometimes do dumb things. But there is no better way to keep government honest than a system that allows the people to kick leaders out of power without requiring a revolution.

Lie, the purpose of elections is only for US to control that region. it has nothing to do for the most people living there.

Yes, Japan tried to emulate the European model but they succeeded enough to push the Europeans out of Asia. Something that China was unable to do. Japan has since reformed and has built its prosperity by working within the international order. China should learn from post WW2 Japan instead of trying to emulate pre-WW2 Japan.

So according to you Hitler is also success too that you need to learn from?

Chinese government has corruption at that time, but that is not the excuse for western nations kill people and did robbery there.

What does that do with anything? I asked you a simple question:

Please answer the question.

That part of land there was belong to China more than 1000 ago.

Tibetans and Uyghurs living in China are all Chinese. just like there are different people living in Canada.

Their languages and cultures are taught in schools there, unlike Canada, the children of native people were sent to resident school to force them forget their culture. China has more human rights than Canada.

What you want is just try to make conflict between Chinese people and make them hate/fight each other so that you can take interest just like you (western nations) did everywhere in the world. and pretend yourself is for others.

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