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12 hours ago, dialamah said:

Do you seriously think Jesus would approve of Trump?   

And if Jesus was not involving himself in the political world and advising his followers to also keep themselves separate, why would Christians allow themselves to be so involved in politics, whether its supporting a lying adulterer, or seeking political power and calling themselves Christian?

I already explained why I thought Trump's base voted for him.  The alternative was worse in their minds.   Fro all we know Trump may have repented for his past sins and been forgiven.  I don't know his personal beliefs.  You can concentrate on those kinds of things if it will ease your conscience but I think his alleged past has nothing much to do with governing the country and the promises he made to build a wall and take action to make America great again.  Saving unborn babies is like saving the Jews being sent to the holocaust.  If you don't think that is important there isn't much I can say.  If you think Trump's alleged groping is a more important consideration than saving America, we can't possibly agree on much.  Hillary would not stop the illegal immigration and in fact probably bring in many more and not deport criminals.  America is in a mess with drugs and crime and a lot from undocumented illegals.  Obama was hurting the energy industry, blocking Keystone XL, and planning to spend billions on climate change.    Hillary was no saint, neither was her husband.  She wasn't kind to Clinton's women victims who came forward either.  For that matter, nobody is perfect.  The Bible says all are sinners and need to be born again.   Politics is not made of saints;  it has people of all types and kinds.  Christians must support their country as well as anyone else and make what they see is the best choice from what there is available.

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1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

There's nothing wrong with a wall, per se.  I have a fence around my vegetables to keep the critters out.  Only it didn't cost 5 billion dollars, actually does keep the critters out, and I didn't build it just to maintain my popularity.

And that said, Jesus did have a lot to say about border walls.  The problem is it was all in one of those dead sea scrolls that some peasant burned to keep warm.  Don't ask me how I know.

Don't know if you ever watch those channels that show border security agents running around the U.S.-Mexican border trying to catch illegal migrants coming but it is a steady struggle.  Also watch the cocaine manufacturing and underworld in Columbia and other places and how they ship it into America.   Billions of dollars worth. 

The Americans use helicopters, ATVs, trucks, police on foot constantly struggling.  One the illegals come in all they can do is arrest them and process them and let them go.  They are supposed to appear in a future hearing.  It is a hopeless situation because previous administrations laws allow border crossers to stay once they set foot on American soil.  Similar to Canada.  A wall might do a lot by making it physically impossible to get in.  Without the wall there is no hope of stopping them from continuing to pour in.  

Also, a lot of these migrants are coming from central America and Africa, bad places.  Lots of crime and bad dudes.  Many of the ones who get into America head for Canada because they know our system is generous and possibly they will have a better chance of staying in Canada.  If rejected by the refugee board at some distant time, they might just disappear into the woodwork and work under the table.

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On ‎2016‎-‎10‎-‎16 at 7:21 AM, Argus said:

Donald Trump is about as far from being a Christian, about as far from a man who upholds Christian values and virtues as it's possible to find in a western country. I could easily make the case that Hugh Hefner, the founder of Playboy, was a far better representative of Christian virtues, through his long years of dedicated support for the downtrodden, his campaigning for womens rights and the rights of minorities and those improperly convicted in jails. 

Purely on his own self-admission, and on his own representation, without taking into account what others say, Trump is a hedonist of the first order, a selfish, wretched, covetous adulterer and sinner who has never shown any interest in helping others, but only in satisfying his own lust and narcissistic desire for fame and adulation. By all accounts, and by simple observation, a cruel and intolerant man with a mean streak a mile wide, it seems impossible that anyone who actually believes in Christian ideals would be anything but repulsed by Donald Trump. Yet any number of prominent political Christian leaders have endorsed him.

This despite the fairly obvious fact he has spent as little time in church as possible, has never read the bible, nor understands it (nor cares about it), and has, up until his run for president, taken positions entirely at odds with the social values Christians believe in, including a long history of supporting abortion.

Principled Christians, of course, do not support Trump. Christianity Today, the magazine founded by Billy Graham, in an editorial last week said “Enthusiasm for a candidate like Trump gives our neighbors ample reason to doubt that we believe Jesus is Lord. They see that some of us are so self-interested, and so self-protective, that we will ally ourselves with someone who violates all that is sacred to us.”

The editorial criticized the Republican nominee in biblical terms. Quoting a list of sins that St. Paul condemns — “sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires, and greed, which is idolatry” — Crouch wrote, “this is an incredibly apt summary of Trump’s life to date.”

The fact so many self-described Christians continue to endorse Trump seems, to me, to lay bare their hypocrisy, and to raise the question of what kind of commitment their religion has when it can be ignored for perceived political gain.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/10/11/christianity-today-blasts-trump-questions-support-for-someone-who-violates-all-that-is-sacred-to-us/

The thing to remember the Bible says all are sinners and worthy of damnation.  Sure there are different kinds of sinners.  Some hedonists, some adulterers, some crooked in their dealings with others, and some crooked politicians who will say anything to get elected.  No use going through the list of possible sins.  The fact is someone who not as bad a sinner as others still doesn't get into heaven according to the Bible unless he is born again.  So non-believers in Christ will be in the company of all kinds of different sinners from the world's worst tyrants, the sexual sinners, the crime gangs, and all the down to the kid on the block whose sins might seem insignificant.   It is foolish to compare one's self with somebody like Trump and think that will get one into heaven.  It won't.  Maybe one hasn't committed the same class of sins but that doesn't absolve one from all the other sins that people commit daily.  That's why God sent his son into the world to save lost sinners, including someone like Trump.  Who knows what he believes?  It is foolish to judge.  

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."  John 3:16  The worst mistake someone can make is to think he is not as bad as some other guy and think that this will be enough to get him into heaven.

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

The thing to remember the Bible says all are sinners and worthy of damnation.  Sure there are different kinds of sinners.  Some hedonists, some adulterers, some crooked in their dealings with others, and some crooked politicians who will say anything to get elected.  No use going through the list of possible sins.  The fact is someone who not as bad a sinner as others still doesn't get into heaven according to the Bible unless he is born again.  So non-believers in Christ will be in the company of all kinds of different sinners from the world's worst tyrants, the sexual sinners, the crime gangs, and all the down to the kid on the block whose sins might seem insignificant.   It is foolish to compare one's self with somebody like Trump and think that will get one into heaven.  It won't.  Maybe one hasn't committed the same class of sins but that doesn't absolve one from all the other sins that people commit daily.  That's why God sent his son into the world to save lost sinners, including someone like Trump.  Who knows what he believes?  It is foolish to judge.  

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."  John 3:16  The worst mistake someone can make is to think he is not as bad as some other guy and think that this will be enough to get him into heaven.

Well, at least there's no Hell.  The Pope let it slip recently.

 

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2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Well, at least there's no Hell.  The Pope let it slip recently.

 

Better to believe the Holy Scripture.   Read Luke ch17 vs 19-31.  King James Bible.    Jesus gave this account of a rich man in hell and Lazarus.  It doesn't say it was a parable. It must be taken as fact.

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7 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Well, at least there's no Hell.  The Pope let it slip recently.

 

Hold a sec. 

 

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Vatican: Pope did not say there is no hell

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43596919

If the Pope actually stated what was quoted from him, then he must believe it.  Just because it was stated in a private meeting  has nothing to do with it.....except that he's preaching to Catholics something (hell) he personally does not believe in.

 

 

Anyway.....

Why is it so easy to believe what the Pope says, and yet find it so difficult to believe Jesus? 

 

Here's what's said about hell in the Scriptures.

"fire" Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41
"everlasting fire" Matt 18:8, 25:41
"eternal damnation" Mark 3:29
"hell fire" Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47
"damnation" Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47
"damnation of hell" Matt 23:33
"resurrection of damnation" John 5:29
"furnace of fire" Matt 13:42, 50
"the fire that never shall be quenched" Mark 9:43, 45
"the fire is not quenched" Mark 9:44, 46, 48
"Where their worm dieth not" Mark 9:44, 46, 48
"wailing and gnashing of teeth" Matt 13:42, 50
"weeping and gnashing of teeth" Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30
"torments" Luke 16:23
"tormented in this flame" Luke 16:24
"place of torment" Luke 16:28
"outer darkness" Matt 8:12, 22:13
"everlasting punishment" Matt 25:46

 

 

 

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On 4/6/2018 at 4:18 PM, Rue said:

So if you believe that it is possible that what we cakk Jesus may be in fact Satan posing as Jesus-how would one know the difference?

 

 

Satan can masquerade as Jesus to fool us.  

 

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How can we discern which light is of God and which light is of Satan? Our minds and hearts are easily confused by conflicting messages. How can we make sure we are on the right path? Psalm 119 says, “Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path” (verse 105) and “The unfolding of your words gives light; it imparts understanding to the simple” (verse 130).

The words of God have power. Just as God’s voice spoke physical light into existence, it can speak spiritual light into our hearts. Exposure to His voice – in His Word – will help us recognize the difference between the good light of God and that which is counterfeit.

https://www.gotquestions.org/angel-of-light.html

 

That's why it's imperative to read (and study) the Bible.

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14 hours ago, betsy said:

Hold a sec. 

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43596919

If the Pope actually stated what was quoted from him, then he must believe it.  Just because it was stated in a private meeting  has nothing to do with it.....except that he's preaching to Catholics something (hell) he personally does not believe in.

 

 

Anyway.....

Why is it so easy to believe what the Pope says, and yet find it so difficult to believe Jesus? 

 

Here's what's said about hell in the Scriptures.

"fire" Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41
"everlasting fire" Matt 18:8, 25:41
"eternal damnation" Mark 3:29
"hell fire" Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47
"damnation" Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47
"damnation of hell" Matt 23:33
"resurrection of damnation" John 5:29
"furnace of fire" Matt 13:42, 50
"the fire that never shall be quenched" Mark 9:43, 45
"the fire is not quenched" Mark 9:44, 46, 48
"Where their worm dieth not" Mark 9:44, 46, 48
"wailing and gnashing of teeth" Matt 13:42, 50
"weeping and gnashing of teeth" Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30
"torments" Luke 16:23
"tormented in this flame" Luke 16:24
"place of torment" Luke 16:28
"outer darkness" Matt 8:12, 22:13
"everlasting punishment" Matt 25:46

 

 

 

Well, the Vatican, sure.  They care only about their jobs.  If there's no Hell today, there might be no Heaven tomorrow.  Then all the Cardinals are on the dole looking for jobs at Hortons under the  temporary foreign worker program.  I wouldn't put too much stock in their opinions.

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It seems to be the general misconception among  many that, Christians - following the footsteps of Jesus -  should be non-sinners.  That any sinner who claims to be a Christian, or a Christian who endorses someone like Trump,  must be a hypocrite.  The Christian-hypocrisy card is often used by non-Christians to discredit Christianity.  However, those are red flags that clearly show that those who bring up those arguments are ignorant of the Scriptures.  They're clearly arguing about something they don't understand.

 

Another misconception surrounds the term,  peace.

 

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Perhaps you came to Christ because someone told you that in Him, you would find peace. That’s true. In Christ, we experience peace with God (Rom. 5:1). Christ is the basis for peace between believers (Eph. 2:14). As much as is possible, we are to be at peace with all people (Rom. 12:18). And, in Christ we come to know a sense of inner peace, even in the face of tribulation, that we lacked before (John 16:33).

But while the Christian life is one of peace, it’s also one of constant warfare. As we serve Christ and seek to extend His kingdom, we’re at war with the evil powers of darkness (Eph. 6:10-20). We’re engaged in the battle between God’s truth and the lies of Satan that captivate the minds of the unbelieving (2 Cor. 10:3-5). And, as every Christian knows, there is a fierce inner battle that goes on between the flesh and the spirit, the old man and the new (Gal. 5:17).

If we do not learn how to overcome the strong inner urge to gratify the flesh, sin will take us captive and enslave us. Paul describes this war within in Romans 7:14-25.

As I explained in the previous two messages, some godly scholars understand these verses to be a description of Paul as an unbelieving Jew, striving but failing to keep God’s law. Others argue that Paul is describing the ongoing battle that he was experiencing as he wrote.

Even mature believers have to fight this battle against indwelling sin as long as they live.

 

https://bible.org/seriespage/lesson-41-war-within-romans-721-25

 

 

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It's one thing to judge Trump on the basis of his leadership, but it's quite another when folks are judging him as a "sinner." 

Oft times, the very same people who brings up the Trump-is-a-sinner card, are usually the very same people who JUDGE  that any Christian who makes judgement on homosexuality as sin........is a hypocrite. 

They can't even see the big difference:  we are allowed to discern right from wrong (and we use our judgement in doing that).  What sensible person doesn't use his judgement everyday, with practically everything he does?

 

Discerning and judging a behaviour as wrong, isn't the same as judging a man for his sins! 

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The title of this topic is quite ironic.  I think it aptly refers to supporters of Hillary.

When we look at policies that are promised to be implemented once a candidate wins, which platform is more devil-friendly?

 

 

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On ‎29‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 11:35 AM, betsy said:

Oh cry me the Nile.

No one is forcing them to have children.   They knew of the possibility of pregnancy as a result of having sex.  Any woman with any brain - even if it's only pea-sized -  know that!

As you know, the Holy Buggers are desperate to force them.    What they want is a hateful society full of unwanted children being sold drugs and put in prison so that they can be bullied.   At the moment, any woman with a brain knows she can have an abortion with relative safety, as you also know.

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21 hours ago, Penderyn said:

As you know, the Holy Buggers are desperate to force them.  

Whoa.  Forcing women to have sex?

 

Because, unlike the Unholy Self-Huggers,  the "Holy Buggers" sees the fetus as a human being. 

The fetus NATURALLY goes through his developmental process, which still continues after he's born.

 

 

 

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What they want is a hateful society full of unwanted children.....

I know and have heard of  so many "unwanted" children.......having been adopted.  The demand for adoption is high.

 

Anyway......

Therefore, we should terminate all unwanted people?  That's the rationale behind it, isn't it? 

Who's the one who'd had sex........ and as a result, had created an "unwanted" child?

 

I know of people who regretted having a child when they're dealing with a two-year old!  Therefore, some day....it'll be okay to kill a two year old! 

Unholy Self-Huggers don't want any pain and sacrifice.....they don't want any inconvenience!  They don't want to take responsibility, and accept consequences.

 

If you see something hateful -  then, take out the cause of the problem!  It's not the children!

I'm sure liberals will be howling if we ever demand that women who've had repeat-abortions should be made barren. 

 

 

 

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.......being sold drugs and put in prison .....

 

.......could it be because a lot of them lack parental supervisions?  Parents are both busy juggling careers...... so they can buy a bigger house, a boat, and go to the Bahamas every year - and then, they can plaster and show them all off  on facebook?    A lot of addicts come from wealthy families.

 

 

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Rich teens, drug abuse and the importance of involved parents

Researchers have documented higher levels of drug abuse and binge drinking in white, wealthy suburbs than in other communities. A 2017 survey of over 13,000 American high school students found that attendance at a school with high median family income was associated with more students engaging in this type of risky behavior. “

 

https://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/drug-policy/rich-teens-adolescents-drugs-alcohol-parenting

 

 

.......could it be that children nowadays are just like "accessories?"

 

Anyway......don't worry. 

The day will come when a parent - especially a mother - will be given the right to terminate her dependent child, at any age. 

 

 

 

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....so that they can be bullied.  

The only bullies I see in this picture are the big folks who're ganging up to murder a defenseless child. 

 

 

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At the moment, any woman with a brain knows she can have an abortion with relative safety, as you also know.

Only a woman with a dysfunctional brain would see that as the green light to indulge reckelessly!  

There is still risk of consequences from having an abortion - physical, and PSYCHOLOGICAL!

Why take an unnecessary risk?

 

A woman with normal brain would think that it's imperative to have safe sex.........

...........because these days, it's not only an unwanted child you could end up with unprotected sex!

 

  In case there are women with dysfunctional brains reading this - let me put it more plainly:  you could also get STD! 

FYI,  Some STDs are getting meaner!


 

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Gonorrhea has developed the strongest resistance to drugs, but the worries about untreatable syphilis and chlamydia come at a time when rates for the three STDs are rising rapidly in the U.S, especially among young people ages 20 to 24.

According to data published by the CDC in 2014, the most recent year available: cases of chlamydia have increased 2.5 percent; gonorrhea 5.1 percent; and syphilis 15.1 percent. This is the first increase in the United States since 2006.

 

https://www.medicaldaily.com/syphilis-update-2017-drug-resistant-stds-could-be-devastating-globally-406187

 

What happened to PREVENTATIVE approach?

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1 hour ago, betsy said:

Whoa.  Forcing women to have sex?

 

Because, unlike the Unholy Self-Huggers,  the "Holy Buggers" sees the fetus as a human being. 

The fetus NATURALLY goes through his developmental process, which still continues after he's born.

 

 

 

I know and have heard of  so many "unwanted" children.......having been adopted.  The demand for adoption is high.

 

Anyway......

Therefore, we should terminate all unwanted people?  That's the rationale behind it, isn't it? 

Who's the one who'd had sex........ and as a result, had created an "unwanted" child?

 

I know of people who regretted having a child when they're dealing with a two-year old!  Therefore, some day....it'll be okay to kill a two year old! 

Unholy Self-Huggers don't want any pain and sacrifice.....they don't want any inconvenience!  They don't want to take responsibility, and accept consequences.

 

If you see something hateful -  then, take out the cause of the problem!  It's not the children!

I'm sure liberals will be howling if we ever demand that women who've had repeat-abortions should be made barren. 

 

 

 

 

.......could it be because a lot of them lack parental supervisions?  Parents are both busy juggling careers...... so they can buy a bigger house, a boat, and go to the Bahamas every year - and then, they can plaster and show them all off  on facebook?    A lot of addicts come from wealthy families.

 

 

https://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/drug-policy/rich-teens-adolescents-drugs-alcohol-parenting

 

 

.......could it be that children nowadays are just like "accessories?"

 

Anyway......don't worry. 

The day will come when a parent - especially a mother - will be given the right to terminate her dependent child, at any age. 

 

 

 

The only bullies I see in this picture are the big folks who're ganging up to murder a defenseless child. 

 

 

Only a woman with a dysfunctional brain would see that as the green light to indulge reckelessly!  

There is still risk of consequences from having an abortion - physical, and PSYCHOLOGICAL!

Why take an unnecessary risk?

 

A woman with normal brain would think that it's imperative to have safe sex.........

...........because these days, it's not only an unwanted child you could end up with unprotected sex!

 

  In case there are women with dysfunctional brains reading this - let me put it more plainly:  you could also get STD! 

FYI,  Some STDs are getting meaner!


 

https://www.medicaldaily.com/syphilis-update-2017-drug-resistant-stds-could-be-devastating-globally-406187

 

What happened to PREVENTATIVE approach?

There is a great deal of gargle here.   I know of no-one who WANTS an abortion - it is always the best of a bad choice.    From an honest point of view the best bet is usually abortion, though:  it is wicked to force life on an unwanted child in this extremely nasty society, and giving the child to someone else is very often to give it to child-abusers.   Self-righteous holy buggers should try living in the real world, not some silly place they imagine.

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4 hours ago, Penderyn said:

There is a great deal of gargle here.   I know of no-one who WANTS an abortion - it is always the best of a bad choice.  

You're wrong.  The best of bad choice is to abstain from having that sex.....if you're not prepared  for it!   taking a cold shower isn't all that bad.

We all know what could result from having coitus.  It's the woman who may end up bearing the unwanted consequences - therefore, the onus is more on the woman - especially, in this self-centered climate we have - to ensure that she's prepared!   

If you have to supply the condom - go for it!  Why gamble?

 

 

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At the moment, any woman with a brain knows she can have an abortion with relative safety, as you also know.

Yep.  Abortion has become just another pregnancy prevention method (after the fact)! 

Otherwise, there wouldn't be a high rate of repeat-abortions!

 

 

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19 hours ago, betsy said:

You're wrong.  The best of bad choice is to abstain from having that sex.....if you're not prepared  for it!   taking a cold shower isn't all that bad.

We all know what could result from having coitus.  It's the woman who may end up bearing the unwanted consequences - therefore, the onus is more on the woman - especially, in this self-centered climate we have - to ensure that she's prepared!   

If you have to supply the condom - go for it!  Why gamble?

 

 

Yep.  Abortion has become just another pregnancy prevention method (after the fact)! 

Otherwise, there wouldn't be a high rate of repeat-abortions!

 

 

You have a touching faith in condoms. and in men's fondness for them, clearly!

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23 hours ago, Penderyn said:

You have a touching faith in condoms. and in men's fondness for them, clearly!

:rolleyes:  What a pathetic lame response!   And you seem to have a touching faith in other things than condoms.    Is anything guaranteed 100% in life other than having bills and dying? 

 

 What do they tell you to wear to prevent getting AIDS and HIV?  You don't believe that?  So, you don't tell your son to wear condoms?  You don't remind your daughter about safe sex?  If you're a parent, wouldn't you want your kids to develop a "fondness" for condoms? 

You think the term  safe sex, is simply just for preventing pregnancy? 

 

No wonder STD is still such a big problem!

 

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STDs at record high, indicating urgent need for prevention

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p0926-std-prevention.html

 

  Just shows you - by your response - all that pricey tag on so-called educating the masses  about safe sex.......why it hasn't  worked! 

And we want more education??? If education had done nothing here in this society - why do we expect it to work any wonders in Africa?

 

You want to be more careful?   No one stops a woman from using more than one kind of method at one time!  What's wrong with condoms AND something else?  Can't women figure that out?

 

 

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23 hours ago, Penderyn said:

You have a touching faith in condoms. and in men's fondness for them, clearly!

You're from Wales?

 

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Syphilis, gonorrhoea, herpes and chlamydia in men rose from 2012 and 2014 in Wales and continued to increase in the past 12 months.

It has been claimed users of some sites meet up for casual sex which could contribute to a spread.

 

The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence has published guidance suggesting handing out free or cost-price condoms in a bid to cut STIs including HIV.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-36989496

 

Of course, you don't prevent STD by simply having a condom in your pocket! :lol:

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23 hours ago, Penderyn said:

You have a touching faith in condoms. and in men's fondness for them, clearly!

Going back to the title........I can't help but think of the irony!

See, why the Dems policy is  devil-friendly? 

 

STD must be one of the big reasons why God is so against fornication?  Immorality?

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1 hour ago, betsy said:

:rolleyes:  What a pathetic lame response!   And you seem to have a touching faith in other things than condoms.    Is anything guaranteed 100% in life other than having bills and dying? 

 

 What do they tell you to wear to prevent getting AIDS and HIV?  You don't believe that?  So, you don't tell your son to wear condoms?  You don't remind your daughter about safe sex?  If you're a parent, wouldn't you want your kids to develop a "fondness" for condoms? 

You think the term  safe sex, is simply just for preventing pregnancy? 

 

No wonder STD is still such a big problem!

 

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p0926-std-prevention.html

 

  Just shows you - by your response - all that pricey tag on so-called educating the masses  about safe sex.......why it hasn't  worked! 

And we want more education??? If education had done nothing here in this society - why do we expect it to work any wonders in Africa?

 

You want to be more careful?   No one stops a woman from using more than one kind of method at one time!  What's wrong with condoms AND something else?  Can't women figure that out?

 

 

You do go on a bit, don't you?   We are discussing whether we have abortion or the forced birth of unwanted children to people who can't look after them, and you're 'Christian' position is to condemn children to your smelly capitalist hell.    Just don't feel holy about it!

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1 hour ago, betsy said:

:rolleyes:  What a pathetic lame response!   And you seem to have a touching faith in other things than condoms.    Is anything guaranteed 100% in life other than having bills and dying? 

 

 What do they tell you to wear to prevent getting AIDS and HIV?  You don't believe that?  So, you don't tell your son to wear condoms?  You don't remind your daughter about safe sex?  If you're a parent, wouldn't you want your kids to develop a "fondness" for condoms? 

You think the term  safe sex, is simply just for preventing pregnancy? 

 

No wonder STD is still such a big problem!

 

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p0926-std-prevention.html

 

  Just shows you - by your response - all that pricey tag on so-called educating the masses  about safe sex.......why it hasn't  worked! 

And we want more education??? If education had done nothing here in this society - why do we expect it to work any wonders in Africa?

 

You want to be more careful?   No one stops a woman from using more than one kind of method at one time!  What's wrong with condoms AND something else?  Can't women figure that out?

 

 

A pal of mine, who used to get around a bit, always insisted that between 'em they should use three.    He clocked up 100 notches on his belt as well as turning into a billionaire, the sort you doubtless admire.    We used to suggest he fill the relevant organs with concrete!

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47 minutes ago, betsy said:

Going back to the title........I can't help but think of the irony!

See, why the Dems policy is  devil-friendly? 

 

STD must be one of the big reasons why God is so against fornication?  Immorality?

I didn't mention the Devil because it is impolite to be rude about what people worship.    Enjoy your black mass!

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2 hours ago, Penderyn said:

You do go on a bit, don't you?   We are discussing whether we have abortion or the forced birth of unwanted children to people who can't look after them,

:rolleyes:

The use  of CONDOM - or any pregnancy-prevention method, is at the heart of the discussion about HAVING UNWANTED children!

If women use preventive methods, there wouldn't be so many unwanted children!

 

And I'm saying, safe sex  isn't only about preventing pregnancy!   Hello?   Where have you been all these years???  A woman gets double benefit when she demands her partner uses condom!  Tow birds with one stone, so to speak.

If getting pregnant doesn't scares a woman, getting STD ought to!

 

 

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......and you're 'Christian' position is to condemn children to your smelly capitalist hell.    Just don't feel holy about it!


 

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A pal of mine, who used to get around a bit, always insisted that between 'em they should use three.    He clocked up 100 notches on his belt as well as turning into a billionaire, the sort you doubtless admire.    We used to suggest he fill the relevant organs with concrete!

 

I didn't mention the Devil because it is impolite to be rude about what people worship.    Enjoy your black mass!

 

 

....and now, you're babbling!

 

Bye.

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6 minutes ago, betsy said:

:rolleyes:

The use  of CONDOM - or any pregnancy-prevention method, is at the heart of the discussion about HAVING UNWANTED children!

If women use preventive methods, there wouldn't be so many unwanted children!

 

 


 

 

....and now, you're babbling!

 

Bye.

Well, you have to believe so , don't you. or you might have to take a good look at yourself.    Have a good black mass!  :)

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3 minutes ago, Penderyn said:

Well, you have to believe so , don't you. or you might have to take a good look at yourself.    Have a good black mass!  :)

resorting to the usual personal attack - as expected from a lib?  Being silly?   

 

You can't refute my arguments.....that's why.  :)

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