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2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Kind of like gitmo.....

Gitmo would be a better place to stay then our own jails.

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Where on earth you guys get your info that it was muslims shooting muslims!!!!!. Seriously!!!!!! From what I hear and read it is an extreme right wing Caucasian individual who  liked” Donald Trump, French Front National leader Marine Le Pen and Mathieu Bock-Cóté, a Quebec City columnist known for his pro-nationalist and anti-multicultural views and worse of all anti-feminist (what a jerk).

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7 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Where on earth you guys get your info that it was muslims shooting muslims!!!!!. Seriously!!!!!! From what I hear and read it is an extreme right wing Caucasian individual who  liked” Donald Trump, French Front National leader Marine Le Pen and Mathieu Bock-Cóté, a Quebec City columnist known for his pro-nationalist and anti-multicultural views and worse of all anti-feminist (what a jerk).

The right-wing fake news sites were spreading misinformation based on speculation because one of the witnesses was being identified as a suspect. Then some of the posters started speculating that it was a muslim conspiracy to start a religious war and demanding that Trudeau say it was muslim terrorism. Then they found out it was one of their own, so now you can watch them scurry.

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15 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

From what I hear and read it is an extreme right wing Caucasian individual who  liked” Donald Trump, French Front National leader Marine Le Pen and Mathieu Bock-Cóté, a Quebec City columnist known for his pro-nationalist and anti-multicultural views and worse of all anti-feminist (what a jerk).

....and all that was surmised from the Facebook page of mr Bissonnette who may or may not be the actual guy arrested.

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No matter what this tragedy would reflect very badly on Canada and Canadians. Canada is known for its peace keeping role and Canadians are known as peace loving nation and with advanced tolerant welcoming population  now the world is watching that Canada has become the only country in the world (after Israel where settlers did same many years ago) that a Canadian extremist walked in and targets individuals based on faith and mass murders. Very sad indeed. 

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1 hour ago, BubberMiley said:

So will you call on Trudeau to label it right-wing terrorism if that is what it turns out to be?

 

Why are you too quick to theorize it could be a right-wing terrorism?  :lol:

I wonder what he's doing running around with a Moroccan if he's racist?  Because, that's what you're trying to push right?   That he's racist......... because he's right-wing! 

 

 

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You were quick to come up with theories when you thought it might have been.

Aren't you super lightning quick.

Talk about self-description.  Projection.  :lol:

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

No matter what this tragedy would reflect very badly on Canada and Canadians. Canada is known for its peace keeping role and Canadians are known as peace loving nation and with advanced tolerant welcoming population  now the world is watching that Canada has become the only country in the world (after Israel where settlers did same many years ago) that a Canadian extremist walked in and targets individuals based on faith and mass murders. Very sad indeed. 

 

We are a peace-loving, welcoming nation.  That doesn't make us immune to terrorism.  Our way of life runs along with the USA - so, we are an evil presence to Islamists. 

 

I don't know why they're all saying on tv that they're "shocked! " and had feelings of "disbelief?"   All Intelligence will agree that a terrorist attack on Canadian soil is not a matter of IF........but  a matter of WHEN!

 

I suspect the only reason why we're not getting targeted for a major attack (as we see in France)....is due to the fact that we serve a purpose for these Islamists.   Their ultimate destination is to get into the USA.  We are the neighbor of the USA, and our borders aren't too strict. 

 

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5 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

Why are you too quick to theorize it could be a right-wing terrorism?  :lol:

I wonder what he's doing running around with a Moroccan if he's racist?  Because, that's what you're trying to push right?   That he's racist......... because he's right-wing! 

 

I said IF. When you were speculating that it was an islamist, you demanded that Trudeau identify it as such. Now that there are reports coming out that he was a right-wing terrorist, are you going to demand Trudeau label it as such and disavow the anti-muslim dialogue you have taken part in that may have led to this event? I ask because I enjoy watching you try to avoid answering direct questions.

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10 minutes ago, betsy said:

I don't know why they're all saying on tv that they're "shocked! " and had feelings of "disbelief?"   All Intelligence will agree that a terrorist attack on Canadian soil is not a matter of IF........but  a matter of WHEN!

I think it was somewhat expected (though we all hoped it would never happen) but the other way round (a terrorist attack by an outsider Muslim extremist against Canadians rather than a terrorist attack by a born Canadian extremist against Muslims!!!!)

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18 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

I said IF.

 

When you were speculating that it was an islamist, you demanded that Trudeau identify it as such. Now that there are reports coming out that he was a right-wing terrorist, are you going to demand Trudeau label it as such and disavow the anti-muslim dialogue you have taken part in that may have led to this event? I ask because I enjoy watching you try to avoid answering direct questions.

 

I said IF, too!

 

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If indeed this was Islamist terrorism

 

Put on your glasses! :rolleyes:

 

Furthermore, don't put words in my mouth!  That's dishonest.  Here's what i said:

 

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If indeed this was Islamist terrorism - we'll see if Trudeau will state it flatly as Islamist terrorism.  Remember when Obama and Hillary refused to identify it specifically?  they refused to say Islamist.

 

 

 

Goodbye.  I'm tired of your interruptions and your inability to understand what you read.

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8 minutes ago, betsy said:

Goodbye.  I'm tired of your interruptions and your inability to understand what you read.

That's one way to avoid answering a question that makes you uncomfortable. Personally, I don't think Trudeau needs to identify what kind of terrorism it is because all terrorism is wrong. But maybe now you will temper your rhetoric and not paint all muslims with the same brush. Although I doubt it.

But since you're backtracking and pretending you didn't jump to conclusions, why didn't you say IF they said "allahu Akbar"?

8 hours ago, betsy said:

When they shouted "Allahu Akbar," could it be it was meant to mock since Islamic terrorists are shouting it?

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6 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

. Personally, I don't think Trudeau needs to identify what kind of terrorism it is because all terrorism is wrong

Agree with this. Violent extremists who carry out terror attacks should be condemned equally, whether Islamic or right-wing or any other kind.  

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The timing of this hate attack makes me wonder if Donald Trump's recent action to ban Muslims entering US and the publicity it receives had anything to do with this hate crime. Something in my mind says very likely.

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1 minute ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The timing of this hate attack makes me wonder if Donald Trump's recent action to ban Muslims entering US and the publicity it receives had anything to do with this hate crime. Something in my mind says very likely.

It would be a stretch to say the current climate and anti-muslim rhetoric didn't have anything to do with it.

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7 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The timing of this hate attack makes me wonder if Donald Trump's recent action to ban Muslims entering US and the publicity it receives had anything to do with this hate crime. Something in my mind says very likely.

So what your saying is "only you can jump to conclusions"

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21 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

That's one way to avoid answering a question that makes you uncomfortable. Personally, I don't think Trudeau needs to identify what kind of terrorism it is because all terrorism is wrong. But maybe now you will temper your rhetoric and not paint all muslims with the same brush. Although I doubt it.

But since you're backtracking and pretending you didn't jump to conclusions, why didn't you say IF they said "allahu Akbar"?

 

 
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8 hours ago, betsy said:

When they shouted "Allahu Akbar," could it be it was meant to mock since Islamic terrorists are shouting it?

 

:lol: hahahahaha You're giving my statement as an argument?

 

Read that again Bubber.  I'm actually theorizing that it might not be Islamist terrorists - that "Allahu Akbar" was used to mock Islamist terrorists!  

That theory was on the premise that the shooter used "Allahu Akbar" to mock Islamists before killing Muslims!  So yes, that premise theorizes that it could be hate for Muslims.  Or, a matter of "tit-for-tat" by some ignorant fool, or looney tune!

 

Oh boy.........:lol:  that proves you don't understand what you're reading!  Hahahaha

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35 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I think it was somewhat expected (though we all hoped it would never happen) but the other way round (a terrorist attack by an outsider Muslim extremist against Canadians rather than a terrorist attack by a born Canadian extremist against Muslims!!!!)

Well....let's nott discount racists....and anarchists.   Especially anarchists!  They want chaos.  They could take advatage of all these fight against terrorism.

We've already seen some attacks like arson on Mosques in Canada.  That same mosque where they got shot apparently had a head of pig stuck on the front door during Ramadan.  There were KKK flyers in BC.

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6 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

It would be a stretch to say the current climate and anti-muslim rhetoric didn't have anything to do with it.

If the interests identified on FB page is anything to go by, the last couple of weeks has been an emotional roller coaster ride for him:  Trump validating anti-Muslim rhetoric, standing up to feminists (with the anti-abortion bill), (uppity) women marching in protest, people protesting in support of (those evil) Muslims.   It's a lot for a young white nationalist to have to cope with, and maybe something else went down we know nothing about that made it all too much for him.   It would be interesting to know if he's behind the pig's head and the video threatening to kill a Muslim a week last year.

 

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6 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

:lol: hahahahaha You're giving my statement as an argument?

 

I get it. When you said "When they shouted..." you meant "If they shouted ..." and I just don't understand that "when" means the same thing as "if".

You could have just answered the question, rather than try to pretend you didn't say things you said.

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18 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The timing of this hate attack makes me wonder if Donald Trump's recent action to ban Muslims entering US and the publicity it receives had anything to do with this hate crime. Something in my mind says very likely.

 

More like the publicity. 

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Just now, betsy said:

 

More like the publicity. 

More like the anti-muslim rhetoric that people like Trump and his supporters have forced into the conversation.

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