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Justin Trudeau the Worst PM Since Pierre Trudeau?

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This idiot has no idea what he's doing. Perpetual deficits and sweet little for the Middle Class. In fact there are several punitive things in the budget. 

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Lied to the vets ,lied to the military ,lied to the small business, lied to the middle class, lies, lies, and more lies.

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Had a conversation with a business acquaintance who is a long time friend of someone who is...well let's just leave it as VERY close to JT.  In a candid moment, he was informed that in all of his decades dealing with such individuals, JT is the least intelligent and capable he has ever encountered.  There were some pretty rude and crude comments applied that I need not repeat, but you get the gist.

Now, that was no big surprise at all, but what DID catch my attention was that apparently, the whole cabinet has not only abandoned the people of Canada (also, no big surprise) but are now going back on word given or implied to the Party Faithful of the Liberal establishment.   Seems as if there is a high concentration of arrogant morons in power now (or should I say AGAIN?)  Pretty much answered the question of this thread right on the button for me.

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I thought that people who are old enough to remember Pierre Trudeau think quite fondly of him. perhaps I thought wrong.

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10 hours ago, -TSS- said:

I thought that people who are old enough to remember Pierre Trudeau think quite fondly of him. perhaps I thought wrong.

This is a forum full of right wing nuts...   hating Trudeau Sr. is a religion to them. 

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8 hours ago, The_Squid said:

This is a forum full of right wing nuts...   hating Trudeau Sr. is a religion to them. 

That makes me a Bishop, I suppose?

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20 minutes ago, hot enough said:

That is an assumption too large. 

Shit, I backed off already.  I was going for Archbishop or Pope.

You see (I guess you don't) when you have lived to personally witness the damage done to Canada by PET first hand, as a Canadian it kind of sticks in your craw.  But, I guess once we elected a person still clutching his communist party card tight (from his Sorbonne years), the royal "we" pretty much deserve what we got.

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21 hours ago, cannuck said:

Had a conversation with a business acquaintance who is a long time friend of someone who is...well let's just leave it as VERY close to JT.  In a candid moment, he was informed that in all of his decades dealing with such individuals, JT is the least intelligent and capable he has ever encountered.  There were some pretty rude and crude comments applied that I need not repeat, but you get the gist.

I'll match you one third party statement with another. What I heard recently is that Justin Trudeau is still using his own private cell phone and has refused to give it up. Instead he's told security people that if they're concerned they should  find a way to secure it. Problem is, all government secure phones are Blackberries. They don't have the system or software to secure his phone and would have to create it. And that will take a year and a lot of money.

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Pierre Trudeau was easily the internationally best-known Canadian politician. I would say that most people outside Canada would be hard-pressed to name any other Canadian PM but Trudeau was known outside Canada too.

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Hey we survived a decade of Harper which shows we can survive anything. A term of JT will be a breeze comparatively.

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Trudeau promised third world countries 2.65 billion to help fight the effects of climate change.

He gave around 400,000 to third world countries to pay for abortions.

He spent 127,000 on his Christmas holiday with the Aga Khan.

He just committed a chunk of money to Syria.

He "loaned" Bombardier about 400 million dollars and they gave their executives nearly a 50% pay increase.

He gave Artificial Intelligence companies or research about 100 million dollars recenly.

I am sure there is a long list of ways he has thrown money around.  Those just come to memory.

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2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Let's not get carried away here. Harper had a small surplus for the election. Before that, he ran up deficits.

Because he had to, remember that situation? Trudeau did not have to do what he did, Harper is by far one of the best PM's we had. We went from 1st to worst. And everyday the liberals prove me right. As I have said before every bad thing the liberals had to say about harper is coming true under trudeau. And who is actually running the country?? And now the bald face lies about the jets? He made a fool out of us in front of our allies.

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On 2/15/2017 at 3:16 PM, Omni said:

Perhaps because he is the Prime Minister and has a concern about global warming.

And that is what is killing the country, we hardly produce anything and the oil sands are not the problem. But in canada you have some idiot hollywood celeb fly over the oil sands and say how evil they are, and the left actually believes it, when the dirtiest oil comes from california, home of hollywood. I just wish the left would pull its head out of it's arse and see how the enviros are deflecting the real problems by blaming canada for everything. And I am getting tired of paying for it so a few can sleep at nite.

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45 minutes ago, PIK said:

Because he had to, remember that situation? Trudeau did not have to do what he did, Harper is by far one of the best PM's we had. We went from 1st to worst. And everyday the liberals prove me right. As I have said before every bad thing the liberals had to say about harper is coming true under trudeau. And who is actually running the country?? And now the bald face lies about the jets? He made a fool out of us in front of our allies.

In the post-PT era, there is no contest on deficit slaying. Chretien turned the tide and is the clear winner. Look at the figures. He may had some luck on his side but he deserves credit for what he achieved. Only partisan goggles can stop people seeing that.   

 

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1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

In the post-PT era, there is no contest on deficit slaying. Chretien turned the tide and is the clear winner. Look at the figures. He may had some luck on his side but he deserves credit for what he achieved. Only partisan goggles can stop people seeing that.  

He most certainly had luck on his side. More to the point, my belief based on memories of that time was his 'slaying' of the deficit was not so much based on any particular care about the size of the deficit as about the size of his war chest. He wanted to keep all his options open so that in true Liberal fashion, he could bribe the electorate to re-elect him and his party. Since he was facing a divided right there was no danger of that for years, which is why he allowed Paul Martin to take the extra money and start paying down the deficit. He knew that money would be available to spend when he ultimately faced real opposition. And that is exactly what happened. Once Reform and the Alliance got together the money spigots opened up.

I judge Chretien badly because, to me, he was a man of no vision whatsoever, a man who cared about nothing but power for power's sake. He loved being the boss, but he had no real idea what to do with it other than enjoy his power.

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16 hours ago, oakhill said:

in his first 18 months in office.

Have we been beneficiaries of this massive spending?

 

Maybe there's a Nobel Spend Prize?

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26 minutes ago, Argus said:

He most certainly had luck on his side.

 

Plus he had Paul Martin as his Finance Minister. IMO, a very good Finance Minister but a disastrous Prime Minister.

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4 hours ago, Argus said:

I judge Chretien badly because, to me, he was a man of no vision whatsoever, a man who cared about nothing but power for power's sake. He loved being the boss, but he had no real idea what to do with it other than enjoy his power.

Perhaps a country can only tolerate a certain amount of vision? I would argue that Trudeau's three principal successors were all pragmatists who worked within the framework created before them. Their shared beliefs on free trade and fiscal rectitude have served us well. Chrétien and Trudeau offer the biggest contrast in personality and I still wonder what Chrétien really thinks of his mentor. 

Apart from watching the quids, Chrétien showed good instincts elsewhere. I don't think any sane person would fault him now for keeping us out of Iraq. 

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4 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

...Apart from watching the quids, Chrétien showed good instincts elsewhere. I don't think any sane person would fault him now for keeping us out of Iraq. 

 

Chretien didn't have any choice...Canada was stretched to the limit with Chretien just keeping Canadian Forces in Afghanistan.

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4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Chretien didn't have any choice...Canada was stretched to the limit with Chretien just keeping Canadian Forces in Afghanistan.

There were a lot of politicians, newspapers etc, calling for him to join Bush in Iraq. 

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Just now, SpankyMcFarland said:

There were a lot of politicians, newspapers etc, calling for him to join Bush in Iraq. 

 

Doesn't matter..it would have been a token effort because of limited resources.   Chretien still contributed to the invasion of Iraq with overflight rights for U.S. transports, embedded exchange officers,  and relief of U.S. assets in Afghanistan that were moved to Iraq.   Chretien was very supportive of the bombing of Iraq in 1998, but faced severe political risk back home for an outright invasion, especially in Quebec.

http://natoassociation.ca/why-canada-really-didnt-go-to-iraq-in-2003/

Post invasion, Chretien asked the Bush administration for leniency when it came to bidding on lucrative rebuilding and oil services contracts in Iraq.

 

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