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1 minute ago, GostHacked said:

The main thread has nothing to do with oil ...  *looks back*

Loosely - the "rules" of my state, as in when do "we" get involved ?

What are the roots of our moral self-image and where does it take us ?

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36 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Loosely - the "rules" of my state, as in when do "we" get involved ?

What are the roots of our moral self-image and where does it take us ?

Yer getting off topic. Not sure, maybe you can clear that up!?

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On 3/15/2017 at 11:20 AM, ironstone said:

how do you explain the existence of radical Islam?

How do you explain the existence of radical US terrorism? It is, far and away, much greater in terms of volume. Everyone knows that the CIA's entire existence is terrorism, doing whatever is necessary to overthrow governments all over the planet. And yet, armed with this knowledge, people point fingers at others.

The US/UK/rest are responsible for any and all crimes that have flowed from their initial, supreme war crime, the illegal invasion of sovereign nations, Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention Libya, Ukraine, Syria, ... . 

There is only one nation in all of history that has been convicted of international terrorism and that is the USA - Nicargua vs the USA. 

Another situation where there was plenty of hacked off body parts by the group that Reagan organized, funded and totally supported. 

 

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Poor Islam...just sitting there all innocent-like...and along comes the Great Satan...

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12 minutes ago, hot enough said:

How do you explain the existence of radical US terrorism? It is, far and away, much greater in terms of volume. Everyone knows that the CIA's entire existence is terrorism, doing whatever is necessary to overthrow governments all over the planet. And yet, armed with this knowledge, people point fingers at others.

The US/UK/rest are responsible for any and all crimes that have flowed from their initial, supreme war crime, the illegal invasion of sovereign nations, Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention Libya, Ukraine, Syria, ... . 

There is only one nation in all of history that has been convicted of international terrorism and that is the USA - Nicargua vs the USA. 

Another situation where there was plenty of hacked off body parts by the group that Reagan organized, funded and totally supported. 

 

So you refuse to defend or comment on Fundamentalism Islam. Your opinion is just that Western Imperialism is much worse. I can entertain that position, the US have done horrible things in the name of Pragmatism. Doesn't make being ruled by a conservative interpretation of Islam is a good thing. 

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36 minutes ago, Boges said:

 

So you refuse to defend or comment on Fundamentalism Islam. Your opinion is just that Western Imperialism is much worse. I can entertain that position, the US have done horrible things in the name of Pragmatism. Doesn't make being ruled by a conservative interpretation of Islam is a good thing. 

That's a new one, Fundamentalism Islam.

And the "Pragmatism" garbage. What pragmatism is there in illegally invading countries simply to steal their wealth. It is not "Western Imperialism". Stop calling the ruthless plundering of other countries 'imperialism'. That's like saying Nazi Germany Imperialism.

There is nothing the US has needed to do that would warrant murdering millions upon millions of people. A kind and benevolent country does not use the people of another country "a million or two Afghans could die but we think it is worth it" to give the USSR their own Vietnam. 

The US is much worse than Nazi Germany was in that it has been doing what they did for well over a century. 

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5 minutes ago, hot enough said:

That's a new one, Fundamentalism Islam.

And the "Pragmatism" garbage. What pragmatism is there in illegally invading countries simply to steal their wealth. It is not "Western Imperialism". Stop calling the ruthless plundering of other countries 'imperialism'. That's like saying Nazi Germany Imperialism.

There is nothing the US has needed to do that would warrant murdering millions upon millions of people. A kind and benevolent country does not use the people of another country "a million or two Afghans could die but we think it is worth it" to give the USSR their own Vietnam. 

The US is much worse than Nazi Germany was in that it has been doing what they did for well over a century. 

Nice! Break Godwin's Law. The US is so much worse than a regime that extracted Jews from the countries they conquered and tried to exterminate them. That's a pretty extreme position, but alright. 

Imperialism was thing way before Hitler.

It may make you feel better that America's current president has pledged minimize America's Imperialistic tendencies. 

Fundamentalist Islam is a new concept to you? So how would you describe ISIS? 

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59 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Poor Islam...just sitting there all innocent-like...and along comes the Great Satan...

Actually, other than being overly simplistic, that is a good description.

The US/UK has been stealing ME oil since the early 1900s. Of course that also comes with the rapes, the murdering, the slaughter of innocents. I've heard lots of comments about how the US was justified for this and that done to them. The only things that have been done to the USA come directly from this century plus program of murder and plunder. 

And really, what has the US suffered when one considers the over 70 illegal invasions of sovereign nations by the US since WWII? NOTHING!

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2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Actually, other than being overly simplistic, that is a good description.

The US/UK has been stealing ME oil since the early 1900s. Of course that also comes with the rapes, the murdering, the slaughter of innocents. I've heard lots of comments about how the US was justified for this and that done to them. The only things that have been done to the USA come directly from this century plus program of murder and plunder. 

And really, what has the US suffered when one considers the over 70 illegal invasions of sovereign nations by the US since WWII? NOTHING!

Did Saudi Arabia not request the US assist in Saddam Hussein's "Imperialism" when he invaded Kuwait and they feared they were next? 

Can you please cite the 70 illegal invasions? And what exactly is a legal invasion? Was the invasion of France by the Western Allies legal? 

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5 minutes ago, Boges said:

Nice! Break Godwin's Law.

It is not anywhere close to being a law. It is nothing more a glib observation. It is a silly ploy used by folks who don't understand how freedom of speech works. 

Along the lines of the woefully ignorant voluminous comments on Islam, Muslims, "terrorism", ... . It's "the commies are coming" recycled, badly. 

 

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2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

It is not anywhere close to being a law. It is nothing more a glib observation. It is a silly ploy used by folks who don't understand how freedom of speech works. 

Along the lines of the woefully ignorant voluminous comments on Islam, Muslims, "terrorism", ... . It's "the commies are coming" recycled, badly. 

Right, it's not a real law. But when people start comparing the people they are opposed to as Hitler is shows an alarming lack of recognizing what Hitler did. Trump compares people to Hitler all the time. 

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11 minutes ago, Boges said:

Fundamentalist Islam is a new concept to you? So how would you describe ISIS? 

It's a very new concept, very recently developed by the US propaganda system, based on the 911 big lie that alleged hijackers brought down WTCs 1, 2 & 7, which according to the science is an absolute impossibility.

 

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So how would you describe ISIS? 

More importantly, how would you describe it? I know, just like the propaganda does. 

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32 minutes ago, Boges said:

Right, it's not a real law.  

So why did you dishonestly try to portray it as a "law"?

 

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But when people start comparing the people they are opposed to as Hitler is shows an alarming lack of recognizing what Hitler did. 

On the contrary, it shows how the US is remarkably like Hitler and his exploits. Again, a kind and benevolent country doesn't do genocide after genocide if it is trying to protect the oppressed. 

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1 minute ago, hot enough said:

It's a very new concept, very recently developed by the US propaganda system, based on the 911 big lie that alleged hijackers brought down WTCs 1, 2 & 7, which according to the science is an absolute impossibility.

It's not propaganda. There's Fundamentalist of a all religion. And where did 911 Trutherism play into it? 

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More importantly, how would you describe it? I know, just like the propaganda does. 

You love to deflect eh? Their actions are available for all to see. They're a military movement wanting to have Syria and Iraq ruled by their form of Islam. 

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1 minute ago, hot enough said:

On the contrary, it shows how the US is remarkably like Hitler and his exploits. Again, a kind and benevolent country doesn't do genocide after genocide if it is trying to protect the oppressed. 

So the United States is systematically exterminating people? I'd like a citation for that. 

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1 hour ago, hot enough said:

Actually, other than being overly simplistic, that is a good description.

The US/UK has been stealing ME oil since the early 1900s. Of course that also comes with the rapes, the murdering, the slaughter of innocents. I've heard lots of comments about how the US was justified for this and that done to them. The only things that have been done to the USA come directly from this century plus program of murder and plunder. 

And really, what has the US suffered when one considers the over 70 illegal invasions of sovereign nations by the US since WWII? NOTHING!

 

Islam has been attacking the West since the 7th century AD.

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1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Islam has been attacking the West since the 7th century AD.

And yet we are still here.

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42 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

And yet we are still here.

 

No thanks to Islam.

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9 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Are you associating the violence of the Suharto regime with religion ?  Not knowing a ton of details on this, I can state that the conventional take on this period/geography is that it was about oil, communism and global geopolitics.  

Not necessarily. I was responding to the post directed at me that somehow brought Indonesia into the discussion, as a comparator for how our criminal justice system works. Drawing that comparison made no sense to me, and I didn't want to get into that. Why don't you go after that guy. Or, if you have a useful observation about it, please share.

My seemingly flippant comment was to indicate that Indonesia is a predominantly Muslim country, so punishments such as hacking off limbs/ body parts are not uncommon. IE. they did it to themselves. What Indonesia and communism has to do with what I said above, I don't know.

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On 3/20/2017 at 3:09 AM, Altai said:

The non-Muslim persons which you call with a wrong term as "Radical Muslim", who claims of being Muslims but performs anti-Islamic (called as Mushrik in Quran) acts are only a number %0.0001 of total Muslim population. I am sure you can find more person in the World who claims that 2X2 is 5 and it does not mean its 5. Another fact is almost all of these persons use "stories" to justify their actions, despite even stories does not justify their actions as I gave examples about women issue a few posts ago.

 

ISIS? ISIL?What does the "I" stand for?Any thoughts as to why suicide bombers/terrorists shout out "Allahu Akbar" before they commit their dastardly deeds?

If you're happy under Sharia law good for you,but I'll stick with Western style democracy/law thank you very much.

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On 21.03.2017 at 1:02 AM, OftenWrong said:

Hacking off body parts is permanent. We do not do such things in the west if a person is found guilty of a crime like theft. They get a criminal record, yes, and depending on the crime it often stays with them for the rest of their life. The method of dealing with criminals in the west is to try and rehabilitate the person. That means teach them to renounce their criminal behaviour and return to society as a functional person. Having both hands and both feet still available, they are able to work and support themselves, and their family if they have one. People make mistakes (crimes...) but can learn to repent. They can also be forgiven.


The word which is used in the verse does not only mean cutting off or hacking off. It also mean a superfacial cut or methaporical cut.

Rehabilitation is something much older in the East and in Muslim countries than West. 

Islam wants Muslims to forgive criminals at every opportunity, even murderers. 


So as you see one more time, you are ruled by Sharia but you are not even aware of it ^_^ many of your state rules are the same with Sharia rules.
 

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On 22.03.2017 at 0:20 AM, ironstone said:

ISIS? ISIL?What does the "I" stand for?Any thoughts as to why suicide bombers/terrorists shout out "Allahu Akbar" before they commit their dastardly deeds?

If you're happy under Sharia law good for you,but I'll stick with Western style democracy/law thank you very much.


Welcome to my ignore list ;) you will stay there for ever as long as the World keeps turning.

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20 minutes ago, Altai said:


The word which is used in the verse does not only mean cutting off or hacking off. It also mean a superfacial cut or methaporical cut.

Rehabilitation is something much older in the East and in Muslim countries than West. 

Islam wants Muslims to forgive criminals at every opportunity, even murderers. 


So as you see one more time, you are ruled by Sharia but you are not even aware of it ^_^ many of your state rules are the same with Sharia rules.
 

**coughcoughbulldurhamcoughcough**

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On 3/21/2017 at 3:04 PM, DogOnPorch said:

 

No thanks to Islam.

So, even after all these years we are still here and not destroyed by any kind of terrorism. Good to know.

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