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2 hours ago, hot enough said:

Just another brick in the wall. 


Western people thinks that they have a free media, because there is no media organs that allowed to cross some borders drawed by their governments. They cant tolerate a real freedom of speech.

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A Soviet era journalist who lived in the USA for a number of years described it perfectly - the only difference between Soviet propaganda and US propaganda is that Americans believe theirs.

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11 hours ago, Altai said:


Western people thinks that they have a free media, because there is no media organs that allowed to cross some borders drawed by their governments. They cant tolerate a real freedom of speech.

How many journalists in Turkey have been arrested?

How many foreign journalists have been kicked out of Turkey?

There is a protest in another country about the Turkish government and the Turkish president goes nuts. So please educate us on the Free Press of Turkey. 

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Another Turkish newspaper published in Germany facing huge amounts of illegal tax punishes. 

The Daily Sabah has been under pressure by German govt after publishing news critizing German government.

 

As I said before. You are fooled to think  that you are free people. You think that you are free because there is noone allowed to critize your govts seriously.

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On 3/27/2017 at 10:22 AM, hot enough said:

A Soviet era journalist who lived in the USA for a number of years described it perfectly - the only difference between Soviet propaganda and US propaganda is that Americans believe theirs.

And a good Soviet historian is the one who dares to predict the past accurately!!!!!!!!. Soviet dictatorship was brought down to its knees and collapsed and now it is time for Russia. Down with Russian Empire and dictatorship.

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8 hours ago, Altai said:

As I said before. You are fooled to think  that you are free people. You think that you are free because there is noone allowed to critize your govts seriously.

You wish to see if WE are free or not then travel to other parts of the world like Middle East where people disappear, and beaten, tortured and raped in prisons for just saying what YOU say here about their government or democracy.

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On 21.09.2017 at 8:33 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You wish to see if WE are free or not then travel to other parts of the world like Middle East where people disappear, and beaten, tortured and raped in prisons for just saying what YOU say here about their government or democracy.

Are you sure ? So if we start to publish a daily newspaper critizing your govt, you are sure that we will survive for long time without facing any bans attributed to the "hate crime laws" or "tax evasion laws" or "child harassment laws" ? or simply we wont be found dead in our bads one day in the morning or wont have an sudden heart attack while we are alone in our home a sunday afternoon ? :rolleyes: 

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1 hour ago, Altai said:

Are you sure ? So if we start to publish a daily newspaper critizing your govt, you are sure that we will survive for long time without facing any bans attributed to the "hate crime laws" or "tax evasion laws" or "child harassment laws" ? or simply we wont be found dead in our bads one day in the morning or wont have an sudden heart attack while we are alone in our home a sunday afternoon ? :rolleyes: 

Well, that sure speaks a lot about the government you live under.

 

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2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Well, that sure speaks a lot about the government you live under.

 


For example ? You claimed something and give us a single proof ? Please dont copy-paste links, just a journalist name or a newspaper name ? :rolleyes:

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5 minutes ago, Altai said:


For example ? You claimed something and give us a single proof ? Please dont copy-paste links, just a journalist name or a newspaper name ? :rolleyes:

I was commenting on what you seem to think is normal.  

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59 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

I was commenting on what you seem to think is normal.  

Yes this is what happens when you start to disturb some "Godfathers" in Western countries. Some weak voices are allowed to make you satisfied. When it starts to cause some harsh touches, you first will meet a girl one day in a cafe, then you will sleep with her and you will get jailed after a few montsh for raping an innocent young girl ^_^ It has nothing with your journalism, you are just a pervert, this is something about criminal laws, good night :lol:

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7 hours ago, Altai said:

Are you sure ? So if we start to publish a daily newspaper critizing your govt, you are sure that we will survive for long time without facing any bans attributed to the "hate crime laws" or "tax evasion laws" or "child harassment laws" ? or simply we wont be found dead in our bads one day in the morning or wont have an sudden heart attack while we are alone in our home a sunday afternoon ? :rolleyes: 

I am sayng that in democracy there is a system in place and a trial and a lawyer to defend you justice to judge if you have broken the law and if proven yes you will be punished accordingly and usually you will be charged and serve relatively light sentence if proven guilty. In the undemcracies or dictatorships there is no such law written anywhere (that criticising a gevernment is a crime because on face they wish to pretent they are demcracy) and then some secret agents in civilian clothing or the military (in military dictatorships) show up and arrest you without charge and take you to prison for years again without charge where you may be subjected to a series of illegal things like torture and rape and stay there without trial and this is the best scenario the worse being exceuted soon after arrest again without being charged.

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12 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I am sayng that in democracy there is a system in place and a trial and a lawyer to defend you justice to judge if you have broken the law and if proven yes you will be punished accordingly and usually you will be charged and serve relatively light sentence if proven guilty. In the undemcracies or dictatorships there is no such law written anywhere (that criticising a gevernment is a crime because on face they wish to pretent they are demcracy) and then some secret agents in civilian clothing or the military (in military dictatorships) show up and arrest you without charge and take you to prison for years again without charge where you may be subjected to a series of illegal things like torture and rape and stay there without trial and this is the best scenario the worse being exceuted soon after arrest again without being charged.


Democracy is not something applied by God. Its just another kind of dictatorship. If the state wants to punish you, they can do it perfectly proper to "democratic" rules. For example, they can easily create fake documents. Judicial legislative execution organs are not ruled by God too. They may be full of guys serving for government interests. In most of the countries, its done in this way, its quite famous that journalists are kicked out when they prepare a news that disturbs government guys or some other godfathers and when you ask "what happened to freedom of speech" they simply say "its a private company and it has nothing with government". So a private company that serving to government and shutting your mouth up. 
 

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3 hours ago, Altai said:


Democracy is not something applied by God. Its just another kind of dictatorship. If the state wants to punish you, they can do it perfectly proper to "democratic" rules. For example, they can easily create fake documents. Judicial legislative execution organs are not ruled by God too. They may be full of guys serving for government interests. In most of the countries, its done in this way, its quite famous that journalists are kicked out when they prepare a news that disturbs government guys or some other godfathers and when you ask "what happened to freedom of speech" they simply say "its a private company and it has nothing with government". So a private company that serving to government and shutting your mouth up. 
 

I didn't say democracy is applied by God!!!!!

So you are saying journalists being kicked out as you claimed is the same as being put in jail indefinitely without charges, tortured and raped???!!!!!!!!

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On 24.09.2017 at 2:44 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I didn't say democracy is applied by God!!!!!

So you are saying journalists being kicked out as you claimed is the same as being put in jail indefinitely without charges, tortured and raped???!!!!!!!!


You are acting like democracy is a perfect and impeccable system of government. In democracies, you can be a state official if you have power, especially financial power. Just look at the lastest  US candidates, Hillary who is funded and supported by money barons and Trump funded and supperted by CIA and weapon companies. I remember I read somewhere that there was an african-american female presidency candidate and she said "Someones?? wanted me to withdraw from elections and I did so". I dont remember her name, I think she was talking about previous US elections.

Firing journalists is the the most gentle way of shutting their mouth up. If they insist to keep talking (mostly they dont), probably they will be hit by a "stupid alcoholic driver" in their first try to cross a road. Its called as suitability for the flow of life. 




 

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On 9/21/2017 at 6:29 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

And a good Soviet historian is the one who dares to predict the past accurately!!!!!!!!. Soviet dictatorship was brought down to its knees and collapsed and now it is time for Russia. Down with Russian Empire and dictatorship.

That Soviet era reporter was dead on. Most westerners are delusional.

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20 hours ago, hot enough said:

That Soviet era reporter was dead on. Most westerners are delusional.

Yeah right they reported the Soviet massaccare of women and children in Afghanistan to the Soviet people right? Yes if so he would have been just dead not dead on!!!!

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9 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yeah right they reported the Soviet massaccare of women and children in Afghanistan to the Soviet people right? Yes if so he would have been just dead not dead on!!!!

Is a "massaccare" what the Catholic church does for those it commits genocide against? Like a caring mass?

How have you forgotten the illegal invasion of Afghanistan, not to mention Iraq? How have you forgotten the PLANNED genocide by the USA in the 1990s in Iraq that took a million plus lives, 500,000 of which were children under five, and the UN stopped counting?

 

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On 24.09.2017 at 2:44 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I didn't say democracy is applied by God!!!!!

So you are saying journalists being kicked out as you claimed is the same as being put in jail indefinitely without charges, tortured and raped???!!!!!!!!


Here a recent example :lol:

http://fair.org/home/corporate-media-analysts-indifference-to-us-journalists-facing-70-years-in-prison/

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15 hours ago, hot enough said:

Is a "massaccare" what the Catholic church does for those it commits genocide against? Like a caring mass?

How have you forgotten the illegal invasion of Afghanistan, not to mention Iraq? How have you forgotten the PLANNED genocide by the USA in the 1990s in Iraq that took a million plus lives, 500,000 of which were children under five, and the UN stopped counting?

 

When you acknowledge Soviet crimes (all over the world even inside Soviet Union) and present Russian crimes (in Chechnya and Syria) then I acknowledge US and British crimes.

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7 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

When you acknowledge Soviet crimes (all over the world even inside Soviet Union) and present Russian crimes (in Chechnya and Syria) then I acknowledge US and British crimes.

I have never once suggested that Russia/Soviet have not committed any crimes, but these are the bad guys and the US/UK makes them look like pikers. 

It's awfully childish of you to take such a nonsensical position. At least I now know what I am dealing with. 

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