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On the news yesterday, an US Intel.military agent said that a nuke war is very close to happening and that clock is at 3 minutes before 12 and many people don't realize this. Do u believe this?

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It's hard not to believe it.   North Korea has been provided with time - as the UN go through with its bureaucracy of trying to get everyone to agree what to do, and the endless sanctions they'd given to N Korea (which obviously doesn't work on N Korea)  - we can't really say if indeed N Korea can hit any nation with its nuke or not.

 

We're talking a really nasty scenario of mass destruction, that could wipe out a small country and bring such devastation to everyone.

 

If intel says yes,

 

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North Korean Defector Tells Lester Holt ‘World Should Be Ready’

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/north-korean-defector-tells-lester-holt-world-should-be-ready-n741901

 

I think we have to believe that it can, on the side of caution.  To assume that yes, N Korea is very much close to being capable. 

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Ofcourse no, I believe that someones are planning to shot some countries with nukes using the name of North Korea. So North Korea is just a tool.

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NK should have been bombed along time ago, but now we have to deal with a idiot with nukes. If Israel had never took out Iraqs nuclear program, I wonder how things would be today.

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Apparently, US presidents have to take some blame  of what N.Korea is today., but the biggest fear is what will China and Russia reactions be IF the US goes alone, militarily?                                                                             http://nypost.com/2016/01/06/you-can-thank-jimmy-carter-and-bill-clinton-for-north-koreas-nukes/   

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2 minutes ago, Topaz said:

Apparently, US presidents have to take some blame  of what N.Korea is today., but the biggest fear is what will China and Russia reactions be IF the US goes alone, militarily?                                                                             http://nypost.com/2016/01/06/you-can-thank-jimmy-carter-and-bill-clinton-for-north-koreas-nukes/   

 

Why is it a U.S. responsibility to control North Korea ?    What has China or Canada done ?

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2 minutes ago, Topaz said:

BC, they help N.Korea get its nukes and now within 4 years, they could hit Seattle, Wash.! Does that concern u?

 

How did the U.S. help North Korea any more than Canada helped North Korea ?

They could nuke Vancouver too !    Concerned ?

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10 minutes ago, Topaz said:

BC....did u read my link...it WASN'T Canada that gave them 2 reactors, it was the US!

 

Right...Canada gave other countries reactors that became nuclear powers already (Pakistan, India).

Either way, why is it a U.S. problem only to stop DPRK nukes ?    What is Canada doing about it ?

Update:   The Agreement Framework replaced graphite based reactors (easier plutonium) with light water reactors.

 

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25 minutes ago, PIK said:

NK should have been bombed along time ago, but now we have to deal with a idiot with nukes. If Israel had never took out Iraqs nuclear program, I wonder how things would be today.

Do you think Israel having nukes is much safer than ISIS having nukes ?

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7 minutes ago, Altai said:

Do you think Israel having nukes is much safer than ISIS having nukes ?

 

Israel didn't use them in '67 or '73...and by golly, it must have been tempting.

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1 hour ago, PIK said:

If Israel had never took out Iraqs nuclear program, I wonder how things would be today.

Nothing.....Same old same old....

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1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Why is it a U.S. responsibility to control North Korea ?    What has China or Canada done ?

China is like the switch light to Korea literally...They can switch it on and off whenever they wish....

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22 minutes ago, GostHacked said:

Nothing will be done against North Korea. 

The mere fact that they have the possibility of launching a nuclear attack makes them deterrent.

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1 minute ago, kactus said:

The mere fact that they have the possibility of launching a nuclear attack makes them deterrent.

 

Not a deterrent yet...deterrence requires credibility, reliability, and first strike survival.

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4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Not a deterrent yet...deterrence requires credibility, reliability, and first strike survival.

The very fact that their nuclear capability has remained unknown for years creates deterrence...NK will not strike first unprovoked. 

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Just now, kactus said:

The very fact that their nuclear capability has remained unknown for years creates deterrence...NK will not strike first unprovoked. 

 

The DPRK does not have nuclear deterrence yet...its alleged nuclear weapons capability could not survive a first strike.

North Korea has already threatened to nuke the U.S. and allies without being provoked...that is the problem.

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1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

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The DPRK does not have nuclear deterrence yet...its alleged nuclear weapons capability could not survive a first strike.

This point has already been discussed above....

 

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North Korea has already threatened to nuke the U.S. and allies without being provoked...that is the problem.

Threatening and doing it are two different things...M.A.D. Besides you already stated that their nuclear capability could not survive a first strike...Then why in hell would they actually attack the US and the West. Their leader may be crazy but not stupid to sign their own death wish....

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1 minute ago, kactus said:

Threatening and doing it are two different things...M.A.D. Besides you already stated that their nuclear capability could not survive a first strike...Then why in hell would they actually attack the US and the West. Their leader may be crazy but not stupid to sign their own death wish....

 

Worlds leaders do not want to find out, and even the UN Charter permits first strike options as a defense.   The problem is that South Korea, Japan, and even China would/could be attacked with massive conventional forces (artillery, rockets).

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1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Worlds leaders do not want to find out, and even the UN Charter permits first strike options as a defense.   The problem is that South Korea, Japan, and even China would/could be attacked with massive conventional forces (artillery, rockets).

Don't be naive.....China controls DPRK....

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4 minutes ago, kactus said:

Don't be naive.....China controls DPRK....

 

No it doesn't...not the way you think it does.   It has some influence, but not total control.

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46 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No it doesn't...not the way you think it does.   It has some influence, but not total control.

In every negotiation regarding NK's nuclear threat China has been involved because of close proximity and historical reasons. NK is much more dependable on China than people think... 

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1 hour ago, kactus said:

China is like the switch light to Korea literally...They can switch it on and off whenever they wish....

I don't think it's a coincidence that N Korea is acting up in the prelude to China's president coming to see Trump. No doubt he will offer to quiet them down in exchange for Trump ignoring all that stuff about trade imbalances he's been talking about.

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