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1 hour ago, Omni said:

I guess you missed the point, but yes I am quite aware of the land disputes in Africa having worked there for many years. A lot of the problems were created by the Brits drawing boundaries in the wrong direction. 

Yes, I guess you were joking.  But it wouldn't surprise if bishop Tutu said it.

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16 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

If there are two different versions of the same thing, it's not consistent.  You can accept it, which is an article of faith, but you can't honestly declare the book 'consistent' as that word has objective meaning.

Well, no.

 

That would be like you saying the written rules in this forum is inconsistent since members have varying views about trolling!  It's not the forum rules that's inconsistent. That's the analogy that comes to mind.

The message in the Bible has not changed, the same way that the forum rules about trolling has not.

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Omni said:

I guess you missed the point, but yes I am quite aware of the land disputes in Africa having worked there for many years. A lot of the problems were created by the Brits drawing boundaries in the wrong direction. 

If you want to discuss about land grabbing in Africa, feel free to create your own thread for it.

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1 hour ago, betsy said:

 

The message in the Bible has not changed, the same way that the forum rules about trolling has not.

 

But the bible is a set of accounts by witnesses, so it seems like you're saying that that's ok that they're not consistent.  As such I agree.

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1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

But the bible is a set of accounts by witnesses, so it seems like you're saying that that's ok that they're not consistent.  As such I agree.

They are consistent! 

You better read my explanation again, Michael.

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On 5/1/2017 at 10:24 AM, betsy said:

 

Have you watched the video?  Talk about the points given.

 

  The message has not differed in the different versions that are mainstream.  Of course, we're not talking about versions that are re-worded, edited and designed to cater to special interest groups, or political correctness.

I have not watched the video. But if you are not working with the original bible, I may have to toss out all of your arguments based on the fact that man modified the bible a few times.

What was removed?  And why?

So again which version are you basing this on? Why you you constantly fail to answer? I never took you for a troller.

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10 hours ago, GostHacked said:

I have not watched the video. But if you are not working with the original bible, I may have to toss out all of your arguments based on the fact that man modified the bible a few times.

What was removed?  And why?

So again which version are you basing this on? Why you you constantly fail to answer? I never took you for a troller.

 

What else is new?  Of course you didn't watch it.

You didn't even read articles that rebutted your claim.....and yet you keep rehashing the same lame cliche!  Like as if by repeating your claim in different ways, somehow the answer will magically change. :lol:

  Heck....I'll be ignoring you.

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On 5/3/2017 at 6:59 AM, betsy said:

Like as if by repeating your claim in different ways, somehow the answer will magically change. :lol:

This sums up all your posts about religion/god.

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Did I mention the prophecies that were all fulfilled?  Not yet?

 

Huh.  Let me work on that.

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On 5/2/2017 at 1:46 PM, betsy said:

They are consistent! 

You better read my explanation again, Michael.

You know, I recall what Ned Flanders said on The Simpsons:

"I believe in all parts of the Bible: even the contradictory ones.  Just in case!"

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1 hour ago, JamesHackerMP said:

You know, I recall what Ned Flanders said on The Simpsons:

"I believe in all parts of the Bible: even the contradictory ones.  Just in case!"

 

Well, I never watched the Simpsons.  But I do recall reading that, "it sucks."

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14 hours ago, betsy said:

 

Well, I never watched the Simpsons.  But I do recall reading that, "it sucks."

It does now.  It used to be very good. 

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3 hours ago, bcsapper said:

It does now.  It used to be very good. 

Used to? Still very good.

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6 hours ago, JamesHackerMP said:

Be that as it may, Mr Flanders hit the nail on the head.

 

So you're saying, you believe in the Bible:  even the contradictory ones.....just in case?

 

Anyway....in what way did he "hit the nail on the head?" 

Because, imv, his very statement proved that he lacked study and understanding of what he'd read - thus, he thinks there are contradictory statements.  

 

How can one say he believes  in something he thinks is not reliable? 

 

Believing is not enough - especially "mock belief." 

According to Jesus, he'd have to not only accept Him as the Lord and Saviour, but Flanders would also have to repent.  That means being sorry for his sins, which includes, a change in his way of thinking - a change in lifestyle, if necessary.   All that is made possible when one accepts Jesus Christ, because the indwelling of Christ in His disciple becomes reflected in His disciple.

 

"Just in case"...... what? 

In case the Bible is true.......where does that leaves him with his mock belief?

  He thinks Christ/God can be fooled?

 

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God said, though shalt not kill,  but look at all the people God killed in the Bible.  I agree Betsy, NOTHING contradictory about that at all.

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well Betsy, it's called humour or levity, a concept seemingly alien to yourself.

If you take things in the Bible literally, they will contradict.

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On 2017-05-02 at 7:29 AM, betsy said:

Well, no.

 

That would be like you saying the written rules in this forum is inconsistent since members have varying views about trolling!  It's not the forum rules that's inconsistent. That's the analogy that comes to mind.

The message in the Bible has not changed, the same way that the forum rules about trolling has not.

 

 

 

Oh it has consistently changed. 

"No television preacher has ever read the Bible. Neither has any evangelical politician. Neither has the pope. Neither have I. And neither have you. At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times."

Translations were written by amateur copyists and were mostly illiterate and perhaps didn't even understand the language. 

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17 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

Used to? Still very good.

I find the humor strained whenever I tune in now.  Which I have to admit, is not very often. 

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Why Trust the Bible?

On 5/1/2017 at 6:18 AM, betsy said:

That's the question usually asked by non-believers. 

Actually it's stated more as a conclusion. 

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11 hours ago, WestCoastRunner said:

Oh it has consistently changed. 

"No television preacher has ever read the Bible. Neither has any evangelical politician. Neither has the pope. Neither have I. And neither have you. At best, we’ve all read a bad translation—a translation of translations of translations of hand-copied copies of copies of copies of copies, and on and on, hundreds of times."

Translations were written by amateur copyists and were mostly illiterate and perhaps didn't even understand the language. 

Scroll up and read.

 

Just because you say so, doesn't make it so.

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12 hours ago, JamesHackerMP said:

well Betsy, it's called humour or levity, a concept seemingly alien to yourself.

If you take things in the Bible literally, they will contradict.

 

Not everything is taken literally. 

But, sometimes, what we think of as a figure of speech....eventually......turns out as something that can be taken literally.  Like the stretching universe as an example!  11 times, the heavens has been described as being "stretched" by various authors from various timelines - within the appropriate context of describing the heavens. 

>>>>>Fast forward to the 20th century>>>>>>>

Lo and behold, science discovers that the universe is stretching!

 

This is a serious topic.  Whether it's meant to be humor or not...... I'm just baffled why you said he hit it on the nail.

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On 5/1/2017 at 6:18 AM, betsy said:

That's the question usually asked by non-believers. 

This video addresses the arguments usually given by non-believers.  For those who want to discuss, please watch and we'll discuss the points given in this video on why we should trust the Bible.

 

Honesty test.

Telephone Test.

Corroboration test.

 

 

 

 

 

The story about Noah and the flood makes no sense to me at all. How can one man be able to retrieve a pair of every kind of mammal, bird, and insect from all over the world, when he most likely didn't know how big the world was and to how many different types of animal and bird life was out there? Did he know that there were polar bears in the Arctic, and there were tigers in the jungles of India? How many species of birds did he know was out there? And say he did get all the animal, bird and insect life into his boat, which had to be massive, and then he would have to stock up on food for all those species in order for them to survive for forty days while they drifted around in the ocean until the rains stopped, and some how waited for god to be was able to make all that water disappear enough to be able to put all those animals back from whence they came. 

That alone tells me that the bible is full of nonsense stories that cannot be believed.   

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