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4 hours ago, betsy said:

If you have any clue at all about the Bible - and what the Bible is all about - you wouldn't be giving such an ignorant response.  

 

 

For those who venture into Philosophical discussions - logical, critical thinking is a requirement.  

Furthermore, you can't criticise or give sensible opinion of what you know nothing about.   That's logic #1. :)  That would be like a three year old spouting off about the economy.  You may  want to use your time arguing with this three year old - but hey,  that's your choice......just don't expect everyone to be like you!

 

Philosophy/Theology, isn't a grade school subject.  Of course, you're free to give your opinion.  Just don't be offended if you're not taken seriously, or if you're ignored. 

 

Cheers.

 

IOW, your do not back up or support your delusional supernatural thinking.

Run along child. You have yet to put away the things of children. The supernatural.

Regards

DL

 

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5 hours ago, French Patriot said:

IOW, your do not back up or support your delusional supernatural thinking.

Run along child. You have yet to put away the things of children. The supernatural.

Regards

DL

 

 

You confessed you're Gnostic Christian.

 

 

Well....it seems you don't even know much about your own religion!   You're supposed to believe in the supernatural too!  Here's what they say about it:

 

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Gnostics believe anything done in the body, even the grossest sin, has no meaning because real life exists in the spirit realm only.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-gnosticism.html

 

No wonder you're ignorant about the Bible - heck, you don't even know much about your own.  You should learn more about your own religion.....

 

 

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On ‎5‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 10:14 AM, betsy said:

 

You confessed you're Gnostic Christian.

 

 

Well....it seems you don't even know much about your own religion!   You're supposed to believe in the supernatural too!  Here's what they say about it:

 

https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-gnosticism.html

 

No wonder you're ignorant about the Bible - heck, you don't even know much about your own.  You should learn more about your own religion.....

 

 

I answered elsewhere.

If you are just to tell me what I believe instead of asking, then you had best ignore me as I do not see you as intelligent enough to bother with.

I will give you this to go with my other reply but I doubt that you are bright enough to get it.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our God "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

 

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

 

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.

 

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

 

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

 

Here is the real way Jesus taught.

 

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

  

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

 

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

 

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

 

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural.

 

Regards

DL

 

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10 hours ago, French Patriot said:

I answered elsewhere.

If you are just to tell me what I believe instead of asking, then you had best ignore me as I do not see you as intelligent enough to bother with.

I will give you this to go with my other reply but I doubt that you are bright enough to get it.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our God "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

 

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

 

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.

 

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

 

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

 

Here is the real way Jesus taught.

 

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

  

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

 

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded

 

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

 

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural.

 

Regards

DL

 

 

In other words.....you're telling me that you follow Jesus - whom you believe to be a myth and borrowed from the myth of Dionysius.

I'm basing it on your post, giving the video by Timothy Freke  as your rebuttal. 

 

 Duly noted.  To each his own.

 

I hate long goodbyes.

Ciao.

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2 hours ago, betsy said:

 

In other words.....you're telling me that you follow Jesus - whom you believe to be a myth and borrowed from the myth of Dionysius.

I'm basing it on your post, giving the video by Timothy Freke  as your rebuttal. 

 

 Duly noted.  To each his own.

 

I hate long goodbyes.

Ciao.

I hate idiots.

Regards

DL

 

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The Bible had talked about brimstone in the right context thousands of years before it's been confirmed - The Creator has intimate knowledge of His Creation.

 

BRIMSTONE AT THE CORE OF EARTH

 

 

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Biblical views of the center of the Earth as a hellish pit raging with fire and brimstone have some support from new research. Scientists have found that the vast majority of brimstone — reverently referred to in biblical times as "burning stone," but now known more commonly as sulfur — dwells deep in the Earth's core.  

 Scientists have generally understood that at the time of Earth's formation, heavy metals such as iron and nickel sunk to the planet's core, and light elements, like oxygen, silicon, aluminum, potassium, sodium, and calcium, mostly concentrated in the outer layers of the Earth, in the mantle and crust.

However, the mass of the Earth's solid inner core, which is too light to be composed solely of metal, has been an enduring inconsistency in our understanding of the planet's distribution of elements. To explain the core's lighter-than-expected weight, scientists assumed that the core had to contain some lighter elements, such as oxygen, carbon, silicon and sulfur.

"Scientists have suspected that there is sulphur in the core for some time, but this is the first time we have solid geochemical evidence to support the idea," Savage said.

 

 

 


https://www.livescience.com/51249-earth-core-contains-brimstone.html

 

 

Related to SODOM and GOMORRAH (below)

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SODOM AND GOMORRAH

 

 

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When the archaeological, geographical and epigraphic evidence is reviewed in detail, it is clear that the infamous cities of Sodom and Gomorrah have now been found. What is more, this evidence demonstrates that the Bible provides an accurate eyewitness account of events that occurred southeast of the Dead Sea over 4,000 years ago

 

 

The Evidence

General

Geological studies have shown that the level of the Dead Sea was at a low point during the Early Bronze Age (Neev and Emery 1995: 62) and thus the shallow basin, or "plain" south of the Dead Sea, would have been dry land and probably cultivated. (5) The location of the Early Bronze Age sites along the eastern edge of the plain fits the Biblical description of the cities as being of the plain. "Cities of the Plain" is in the construct state in the Hebrew, which means that the word "cities" has a close association with the word "plain." The cities were not in the plain, or on the plain. If that were the case, a different construction would have been used. Rather, the cities were "of" the plain—they had a close association, or connection, with the plain. They were doubtless dependent upon the plain for their livelihood.

 

 

Paleobotany

The first description of the Cities of the Plain in the Bible is in the account of Lot separating from Abraham in Genesis 13:10–13. There, the plain is described as being "well watered" as far as Zoar (Gn 13:10). The Hebrew words translated "well watered" are kullah, an intensive form of the verb meaning "to be complete," and masqeh, from the verb meaning "to give to drink" or "irrigate." The meaning of kullah masqeh, then, is to be completely and totally irrigated. Paleo-botanical studies have shown that there was a rich diversity of crops grown at Bab edh-Dhra and Numeira. Most common were barley, wheat, grapes, figs, lentils and flax. Less common were chickpeas, peas, broad beans, dates and olives (McCreery 1980:52). Several of these crops could only have been grown with the use of irrigation

 

 

Fortifications

When the two angels came to Sodom to warn Lot of the impending doom, they found him sitting in the city gate (Gn 19:1). This indicates that Sodom was fortified. Bab edh-Dhra, which means "gate of the arm," had imposing fortifications. The city wall, enclosing an area of 9–10 acres, was a massive 7 m (23 ft) wide and made of stones and mud bricks (Schaub 1993: 134). Evidence for settlement was found outside the walls as well. The total population at the time Bab edh-Dhra met its end was between 600 and 1,200 (Rast 1987b: 47; 1992: 560; Schaub 1993: 134). Within the walls were a sanctuary on a high spot at the southwest end of the city, domestic and industrial areas, and a gateway on the northeast side.

 

 

Two Destructions

The Bible tells of not one, but two, traumatic events that occurred in the final days of Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis 14 describes an attack against the Cities of the Plain by a coalition of four Mesopotamian kings.

There is evidence at both Bab edh-Dhra and Numeira for two destructions. (6)

 

 

Evidence for Destruction at Bab edh-Dhra

Shortly thereafter, at the close of the Early Bronze III period, the fortified city at Bab edh-Dhra met a final fiery end. Even though the site is badly eroded, enough evidence remained in several areas to show the severity of the disaster. The northeast gate was destroyed by fire as indicated by charcoal, broken and fallen bricks, and areas of ash (Rast 1981: 21). There was a massive pile-up of mudbrick in the west end suggesting heavy destruction in this part of the city (Rast 1981: 31). At this time the city wall fell and the mudbrick superstructure of the sanctuary collapsed, apparently after burning (Rast 1992: 560). The many stone and boulder fields within the city came from walls that were disrupted and transported downslope (Donahue 1980: 51; 1985:136).

Following the destruction, there was occupation at Bab edh-Dhra in the Early Bronze IV period, but almost exclusively outside the destroyed Early Bronze III fortified town. Following this brief period of extramural settlement, the site was permanently abandoned.

 

 

Evidence for Destruction at Numeira
At Numeira, a better preserved site than Bab edh-Dhra, the evidence is even more dramatic

 

 

 

 

Means of the Destruction of the Cities of the Plain

The Biblical Description

 

Geological Investigations

After surveying the geology of the district, Clapp concluded that combustible materials from the earth destroyed the cities. He found bitumen and petroleum in the area. Natural gas and sulfur, which normally accompany bitumen and petroleum, are also present. These combustible materials could have been forced from the earth by subterranean pressure brought about by an earthquake resulting from the shifting of the bounding faults (Clapp 1936a: 906; 1936b: 40). Geologists who have studied the area in recent times agree with Clapp's reconstruction (Harris and Beardow 1995: 360; Neev and Emery 1995: 13–14; 33, 37). If lightning or surface fires ignited these combustibles as they came spewing forth from the ground, it would indeed result in a holocaust such as described in Genesis 19. It is significant to note that both Bab edh-Dhra and Numeira lie at the edge of the plain, exactly on the eastern fault line!

 

 

Conclusion

When the archaeological, geographical and epigraphic evidence is reviewed in detail, it is clear that the infamous cities of Sodom and Gomorrah have now been found. What is more, this evidence demonstrates that the Bible provides an accurate eyewitness account of events that occurred southeast of the Dead Sea over 4,000 years ago.

 

 

 

 

https://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2008/04/16/The-Discovery-of-the-Sin-Cities-of-Sodom-and-Gomorrah.aspx#Article

 

 

Note:   Now, we know why "fire and brimstone" are mentioned in the Bible.  Brimstone lies at the core of earth.

 

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25 minutes ago, betsy said:

Note:   Now, we know why "fire and brimstone" are mentioned in the Bible.  Brimstone lies at the core of earth.

 

 

Actually, brimstone is sulfur. Sulfur is #16 on the Periodic Table (atomic weight). One of the Chalcogen elements (oxygen family). It's found in the crust. The core of the Earth is mostly nickle-iron.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur

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1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Actually, brimstone is sulfur. Sulfur is #16 on the Periodic Table (atomic weight). One of the Chalcogen elements (oxygen family). It's found in the crust. The core of the Earth is mostly nickle-iron.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur

Yes, brimstone is sulfur.   They found tons of it at the core.  Most of earth's sulfur is at the core.

 

Earth's Core Contains 90% of Earth's Sulfur

https://phys.org/news/2015-06-earth-core-percent-sulfur.html#jCp

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2 hours ago, betsy said:

Yes, brimstone is sulfur.   They found tons of it at the core.  Most of earth's sulfur is at the core.

 

Earth's Core Contains 90% of Earth's Sulfur

https://phys.org/news/2015-06-earth-core-percent-sulfur.html#jCp

 

There are examples in various amounts of ALL natural elements in Earth's core. However it is still majority nickle-iron as it is heavy. Heavy things sink. But due to a primordial collision that created the Moon, the solidifying Primal Earth was once again turned molten allowing all sorts of other elements to remix. We know this as the Earth's core isn't as heavy as it should be if it was 100% nickle-iron. These extra elements still make-up a tiny fraction of the core's mass, though.

What's this about, anyways? Evidence of the Devil LIVING down there? He's REALLY going to like Io (moon of Jupiter) if that is the case...

 

Sulfur volcano erupts on Io.

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On 5/10/2018 at 4:50 AM, betsy said:

If you have any clue at all about the Bible - and what the Bible is all about - you wouldn't be giving such an ignorant response. 

For those who venture into Philosophical discussions - logical, critical thinking is a requirement.  

Furthermore, you can't criticise or give sensible opinion of what you know nothing about.  

It's hard to know about something that does not seem to exist.  But that might not be logical enough for you to think about.

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5 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

There are examples in various amounts of ALL natural elements in Earth's core. However it is still majority nickle-iron as it is heavy. Heavy things sink. But due to a primordial collision that created the Moon, the solidifying Primal Earth was once again turned molten allowing all sorts of other elements to remix. We know this as the Earth's core isn't as heavy as it should be if it was 100% nickle-iron. These extra elements still make-up a tiny fraction of the core's mass, though.

What's this about, anyways? Evidence of the Devil LIVING down there? He's REALLY going to like Io (moon of Jupiter) if that is the case...

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Sulfur volcano erupts on Io.

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We're talking brimstone.

It's related to the discovery of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

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2 hours ago, betsy said:

We're talking brimstone.

It's related to the discovery of Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

 

Sulfur isn't proof of anything. Humans have been using it since prehistoric times as it is stable in its natural form right on the surface.

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2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Sulfur isn't proof of anything. Humans have been using it since prehistoric times as it is stable in its natural form right on the surface.

Just by itself, no it's not a proof of anything.

You've got to read the discovery of Sodom and Gomorrah above, and see how sulfur ties up with the Biblical narrative. 

 

 

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The various books anthologised as 'the Bible' mostly got put together higgledy-piggledy in the usual way  of folk material and the like.    Those who can't see the difference between the convincing bits of the Gospels and the rest (including, obviously, the bits invented to fit 'prophesy') are hardly sensible enough to be worth listening to, are they?

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