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On 9/29/2017 at 3:39 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I watched a few minutes.  I didn't see any 'value' but maybe they see value in it.  Maybe there is value.  Who knows ?

As I said, in every video I've seen - and I've seen a lot of them, they're shrill, unpleasant people who hurl venom and curses at everyone around them. And every time I see them they're carrying Communist flags (as they were today on both parliament hill and at the Quebec/US border). As far as I can see they're a bunch of brainless, intolerant morons prone to violence.

 

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 I heard that Obama has formed a kind of shadow cabinet not far from the white house and is part of the organization to oppose Trump.  Globalists and world socialists have a powerful network and will never accept the outcome of the election.

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12 minutes ago, blackbird said:

 I heard that Obama has formed a kind of shadow cabinet not far from the white house and is part of the organization to oppose Trump.  Globalists and world socialists have a powerful network and will never accept the outcome of the election.

Where did you 'hear' that ?  What of it ?  Doesn't every administration have networks of supporters working for and against them continuously ?

What does any of it have to do with 'freedom of speech' ?

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23 hours ago, Argus said:

As I said, in every video I've seen - and I've seen a lot of them, they're shrill, unpleasant people

OK, you don't like them.   Tracing it back to the point where you asked me to look at the video, I still say that these groups are amorphous.  We're happy to have those around, as it's good for the culture of constant controversy.  But people who want to see some point to discussion, like us, need to extract some kinds of hard information out of these things to make sense of them.

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3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Where did you 'hear' that ?  What of it ?  Doesn't every administration have networks of supporters working for and against them continuously ?

What does any of it have to do with 'freedom of speech' ?

The left opposing Trump does not believe in freedom of speech.  Every time some group of protestors want to come out and demonstrate against open borders, illegal immigrants or immigration policies, groups of radical leftists and antifa types show up to riot and cause havoc.    Obama was in Canada after the election and Hillary was here recently drumming up support for the left and her new book.   There is a connection between all of these things.  Don't pretend there isn't.

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4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The left opposing Trump does not believe in freedom of speech. 

Ok, you skipped over the first two questions I asked though.

 

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Every time some group of protestors want to come out and demonstrate against open borders, illegal immigrants or immigration policies, groups of radical leftists and antifa types show up to riot and cause havoc.  

I think they're protesting (think freedom of speech).  They got murdered by an alt-right in a car, so maybe that's what you remember.

 

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Obama was in Canada after the election and Hillary was here recently drumming up support for the left and her new book.  

Yes.  Yes he was.

 

5 minutes ago, blackbird said:

There is a connection between all of these things.  Don't pretend there isn't.

I can't pretend there isn't, or there is a connection.  I have no idea,  unless you draw some lines between all of these random thoughts your putting out here.

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Last chance - are you up for it ?  Why is a network of interests opposing an administration any different this time ?

If you prefer not to answer, or you are coming back with random disconnected points that's your prerogative but it doesn't lead to any productive discussion beyond spewing conspiracy theories and yelling 'liberal' or whatever... 

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19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Last chance - are you up for it ?  Why is a network of interests opposing an administration any different this time ?

If you prefer not to answer, or you are coming back with random disconnected points that's your prerogative but it doesn't lead to any productive discussion beyond spewing conspiracy theories and yelling 'liberal' or whatever... 

There was someone on TV who pointed out certain leaders of the left are following the principles of a radical who wrote a manual on it.

His name is Saul Alinsky.   The direction is a new world order.  The objective is to create chaos everywhere with the goal of taking over in order to bring their new world order.

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Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals is the last book published in 1971 by activist and writer Saul D. Alinsky shortly before his death. His goal for the Rules for Radicals was to create a guide for future community organizers to use in uniting low-income communities, or "Have-Nots", in order for them to gain social, political, legal, and economic power.[1] Within it, Alinsky compiled the lessons he had learned throughout his experiences of community organizing from 1939–1971 and targeted these lessons at the current, new generation of radicals.[2]

Divided into ten chapters, Rules for Radicals provides 10 lessons on how a community organizer can accomplish the goal of successfully uniting people into an active organization with the power to effect change on a variety of issues. Though targeted at community organization, these chapters also touch on other issues that range from ethics, education, communication, and symbol construction to nonviolence and political philosophy.[3]

Though published for the new generation of counterculture-era organizers in 1971, Alinsky's principles have been successfully applied by numerous government, labor, community, and congregation-based organizations, and the main themes of his organizational methods that were elucidated upon in Rules for Radicals have been recurring elements in political campaigns in recent years.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

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8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

There was someone on TV who pointed out certain leaders of the left are following the principles of a radical who wrote a manual on it.

His name is Saul Alinsky.   The direction is a new world order.  The objective is to create chaos everywhere with the goal of taking over in order to bring their new world order.

 

Right.... but... WHO is this someone ?  You neglected to point that out.  Also you didn't explain what evidence you have other than "some guy said this on TV and now I believe it".

I gave you a few chances, but you've done a piss poor job of responding to me and trying to lay out anything intelligible at all.  Good luck with your opinions.

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40 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Where did you 'hear' that ?  What of it ?  Doesn't every administration have networks of supporters working for and against them continuously ?

What does any of it have to do with 'freedom of speech' ?

Why is there no "reply" button under your last posting?   Do you have the power to remove the Submit Reply button under your posting?

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10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Why is there no "reply" button under your last posting?   Do you have the power to remove the Submit Reply button under your posting?

I don't have any powers beyond what other users have, for example I can add users to 'ignore'.

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25 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Why is there no "reply" button under your last posting?   Do you have the power to remove the Submit Reply button under your posting?

There is no reply button. The button you're looking for is called 'quote'.

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

 I heard that Obama has formed a kind of shadow cabinet not far from the white house and is part of the organization to oppose Trump.  Globalists and world socialists have a powerful network and will never accept the outcome of the election.

Obama is busy waterskiing and enjoying life. He has managed to somehow avoid even criticizing Trump at all since the election. Which shows an awful lot of discipline. There is no evidence of a left wing cabal trying to overthrow Trump. There IS evidence of heavy Russian meddling in both the US election, and in US society, which Trump has thus far refused to condemn in any way, shape or form. This leads some to suspect the Russians own him. Obama, as wimpy as he was with the Russians, was Clint Eastwood compared to the timid Donald Trump.

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7 minutes ago, Argus said:

Obama is busy waterskiing and enjoying life. He has managed to somehow avoid even criticizing Trump at all since the election. Which shows an awful lot of discipline. There is no evidence of a left wing cabal trying to overthrow Trump.

This is off topic until somebody explains how it's related to the OP.  (I asked but the poster didn't make it clear to me.)
That said, I appreciate the sober assessment of Obama's 'freedom of speech'.  I will point out two things: former presidents in modern times have steered far away from criticizing sitting presidents.  In that respect, I have the impression Obama has crossed the line.  Also, Obama broke the unwritten rule and criticized Trump during the election but I think it may be because nobody thought he was a serious candidate.

Russians have freedom of speech, and can support presidential candidates.  They so fervent in their support, however, that they released spambots (fake followers) to post on social media supporting Trump.

Spambots do NOT have freedom of speech. :D

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The Russians must have learned from the Canadians, who have injected their freedom of speech into American elections as well.

So much so, they register to vote as U.S. citizens and cast votes.

Hillary Clinton thanked her Canadian supporters and campaign workers during the book tour stop in Toronto.

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1 hour ago, Argus said:

Obama is busy waterskiing and enjoying life. He has managed to somehow avoid even criticizing Trump at all since the election. Which shows an awful lot of discipline. There is no evidence of a left wing cabal trying to overthrow Trump. There IS evidence of heavy Russian meddling in both the US election, and in US society, which Trump has thus far refused to condemn in any way, shape or form. This leads some to suspect the Russians own him. Obama, as wimpy as he was with the Russians, was Clint Eastwood compared to the timid Donald Trump.

 

Obama has been actively opposing Trump.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=obama+and+anti+trump+protests&qpvt=Obama+and+anti+Trump+protests&FORM=VDRE

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18 hours ago, blackbird said:

There was someone on TV who pointed out certain leaders of the left are following the principles of a radical who wrote a manual on it.

His name is Saul Alinsky.   The direction is a new world order.  The objective is to create chaos everywhere with the goal of taking over in order to bring their new world order.

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Rules for Radicals: A Pragmatic Primer for Realistic Radicals is the last book published in 1971 by activist and writer Saul D. Alinsky shortly before his death. His goal for the Rules for Radicals was to create a guide for future community organizers to use in uniting low-income communities, or "Have-Nots", in order for them to gain social, political, legal, and economic power.[1] Within it, Alinsky compiled the lessons he had learned throughout his experiences of community organizing from 1939–1971 and targeted these lessons at the current, new generation of radicals.[2]

Divided into ten chapters, Rules for Radicals provides 10 lessons on how a community organizer can accomplish the goal of successfully uniting people into an active organization with the power to effect change on a variety of issues. Though targeted at community organization, these chapters also touch on other issues that range from ethics, education, communication, and symbol construction to nonviolence and political philosophy.[3]

Though published for the new generation of counterculture-era organizers in 1971, Alinsky's principles have been successfully applied by numerous government, labor, community, and congregation-based organizations, and the main themes of his organizational methods that were elucidated upon in Rules for Radicals have been recurring elements in political campaigns in recent years.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_for_Radicals

Sadly, there are just to many stunned people around to ever get the picture. They will always try to write to off as just a coincidence, and nothing more. Saul Alinsky was just another one of those Zionists that so dearly wanted to see a new world communist order ruling the world. I think that Hillary and Obama have read that book "Rules for Radicals" numerous times and have tried very hard to try and get it implemented into America. I believe that Canada is now ruled by a bunch of radicals of the Saul Alinsky/Soros kind. Just saying.

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19 hours ago, blackbird said:

I'm not interested in what Trump says about Obama, nor am I inclined to search out evidence to support your statement. That's YOUR job.

 

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On 10/1/2017 at 1:45 PM, Michael Hardner said:

Right.... but... WHO is this someone ? 

Dig deep enough and you'll eventually find Beelzebub himself is behind it all.

 

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4 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Good article on freedom of speech.  Pretty much my view.  That's why it's good, of course.

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/no-surrender-in-the-new-free-speech-wars/20415#.WeEmpWf4BeU

That is not your view at all, sapper. You are one who actively sabotages in order to hamper/constrain free speech, with the desired result as you see it, to contain/hide the truth when it conflicts with your blinkered views. 

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On 9/29/2017 at 10:44 AM, Argus said:

I'd really like to hear how you think they're accomplishing anything but making the cops wish they really WERE in a police state so they cold kick the crap out of them.

I think they accomplished one thing, Argus, and that is that it made you leap up to illustrate that you don't really grasp what freedom of speech means. 

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12 minutes ago, hot enough said:

That is not your view at all, sapper. You are one who actively sabotages in order to hamper/constrain free speech, with the desired result as you see it, to contain/hide the truth when it conflicts with your blinkered views. 

Ah, I never realised.  It's a good job you pointed that out.

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