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1. Do you deny that the US government developed nanothermite in the 1990s?

No one denies it, so it stands as the truth. 

2. Do you deny that unreacted nanothermite particles were found in WTC dust?

No one denies it, so it stands as the truth. 

3. Do you deny that the by-products of thermitic reactions were found in WTC dust, iron microspheres in volumes 1500 times greater than that of normal office dust?

No one denies it, so it stands as the truth. 

4. Do you deny the molten and vaporized steel described by FEMA, pictures of which anyone can see?

No one denies it, so it stands as the truth. 

5. Do you deny the molten and fused steel and concrete, one named the Meteorite and housed in a 911 museum? 

No one denies it, so it stands as the truth. 

6. Do you deny the molten handguns found and stored in a 911 museum?

No one denies it, so it stands as the truth

Taken separately, these things show the US government conspiracy theory is completely bogus. Taken together, these truths show conclusively that the US government conspiracy theory is completely bogus. 

No anti-truthers /science deniers are willing to tackle REALITY. That really says it all!

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12 minutes ago, Omni said:

Well I guess you didn't read my links because they disprove your "troother" nonsense. That's OK, you keep those blinders on. Steve Jones is probably making money off you since that university gig didn't work out so well.

Your links are as bogus as your "arguments", Omni. You flee from both. 

Dr Steven Jones is enjoying retirement and he is enjoying writing the truth, the things that you are so damned scared of, the things that you won't mention. 

You can go ahead and explain your attack on Dr Jones which is simply another one of your frequent fabrications. In the dispute with BYU, Dr Jones came out shining while BYU was attacked for its frequent attacks on freedom of expression and academic freedom, two things you don't understand. 

Now about those six easy questions:

1. Do you deny that the US government developed nanothermite in the 1990s?

2. Do you deny that unreacted nanothermite particles were found in WTC dust?

3. Do you deny that the by-products of thermitic reactions were found in WTC dust, iron microspheres in volumes 1500 times greater than that of normal office dust?

4. Do you deny the molten and vaporized steel described by FEMA, pictures of which anyone can see?

5. Do you deny the molten and fused steel and concrete, one named the Meteorite and housed in a 911 museum? 

6. Do you deny the molten handguns found and stored in a 911 museum?

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Somebody reads a lot of Dr Jones scholastic works, eh? Why does that not surprise me?

:lol:

Mustn't blame Islam...no sir.

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25 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Somebody reads a lot of Dr Jones scholastic works, eh? Why does that not surprise me?

You read nothing, dop, which shows in your complete inability to discuss the issues. Here's your chance. Easy questions about real things that you can confirm for yourself.

1. Do you deny that the US government developed nanothermite in the 1990s?

2. Do you deny that unreacted nanothermite particles were found in WTC dust?

3. Do you deny that the by-products of thermitic reactions were found in WTC dust, iron microspheres in volumes 1500 times greater than that of normal office dust?

4. Do you deny the molten and vaporized steel described by FEMA, pictures of which anyone can see?

5. Do you deny the molten and fused steel and concrete, one named the Meteorite and housed in a 911 museum? 

6. Do you deny the molten handguns found and stored in a 911 museum?

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27 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Mustn't blame Islam...no sir.

Are you now making the completely ludicrous assertion that Islam did 911? Even omni would not support something that wacky.

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39 minutes ago, hot enough said:

1. Do you deny that the US government developed nanothermite in the 1990s?

No one denies it, so it stands as the truth. 

2. Do you deny that unreacted nanothermite particles were found in WTC dust?

No one denies it, so it stands as the truth. 

3. Do you deny that the by-products of thermitic reactions were found in WTC dust, iron microspheres in volumes 1500 times greater than that of normal office dust?

No one denies it, so it stands as the truth. 

4. Do you deny the molten and vaporized steel described by FEMA, pictures of which anyone can see?

No one denies it, so it stands as the truth. 

5. Do you deny the molten and fused steel and concrete, one named the Meteorite and housed in a 911 museum? 

No one denies it, so it stands as the truth. 

6. Do you deny the molten handguns found and stored in a 911 museum?

No one denies it, so it stands as the truth

Taken separately, these things show the US government conspiracy theory is completely bogus. Taken together, these truths show conclusively that the US government conspiracy theory is completely bogus. 

No anti-truthers /science deniers are willing to tackle REALITY. That really says it all!

Kind of like negative billing. Anyone who can't be bothered to respond to your crackpot assertions must therefore agree with them. That's really all you have. It is also why no legitimate source will give your nonsense legitimacy by responding to it.

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9 minutes ago, Wilber said:

Kind of like negative billing. Anyone who can't be bothered to respond to your crackpot assertions must therefore agree with them. That's really all you have. It is also why no legitimate source will give your nonsense legitimacy by responding to it.

How can you deny reality in such a flagrant manner, Wilber?

https://str.llnl.gov/str/RSimpson.html proves number one.

https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf proves number two.

https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf proves number three.

Both http://www.consensus911.org/point-tt-6/  and https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf proves number four.

proves number 5.

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6 hours ago, hot enough said:

There was no immediate stop. You are neither a scientist nor a good observer. The plane wasn't going 600 mph. In fact, with the WTC2 plane, the nose/missile came out the opposite wall. And the engine that flew to Murray Street, only problem, it wasn't an engine that was in the alleged 767-200 that supposedly hit the tower. 

WTC designers planned for that in the design of the towers. And the amount of jet fuel was quite insignificant. 

Those calculations are simple, if you want to add more precision go ahead.

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29 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Those calculations are simple, if you want to add more precision go ahead.

What a joke you are, OftenWrong. Months and months you hide your shining "scientism" under a bushel then pop up pretending to be a scientist, one who can't, one who refuses to do science, refuses to discuss science. 

Calculate what caused all the molten and vaporized steel and show us how Arab hijackers were able to do it.

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2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

What a joke you are, OftenWrong. Months and months you hide your shining "scientism" under a bushel then pop up pretending to be a scientist, one who can't, one who refuses to do science, refuses to discuss science. 

Waiting for the calculations, so we can have a nice discussion.

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4 hours ago, hot enough said:

Why do you think there hasn't been even one individual who has come out and said, "You know, there are an awful lot of really unbelievable inconsistencies in the US government story"?

 

That's what I keep asking!  It's the scoop of the century!  Why has no reputable news organization put a team of crack journalists on this?

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3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

That's what I keep asking!  It's the scoop of the century!  Why has no reputable news organization put a team of crack journalists on this?

Cause they're all part of the conspiracy. It's obvious.

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10 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

That's what I keep asking!  It's the scoop of the century!  Why has no reputable news organization put a team of crack journalists on this?

That's not what you keep asking. That's what you keep delivering up as another anti-truther diversion. Someone who was truly interested in the truth, getting to the truth would say, "Hey, you guys, there are some really unbelievable things about the official story that make no sense!"

Have you answered the six easy Yes/No questions? Have you encouraged others to do so? Why are you so afraid to answer easy questions?

1. Do you deny that the US government developed nanothermite in the 1990s?

2. Do you deny that unreacted nanothermite particles were found in WTC dust?

3. Do you deny that the by-products of thermitic reactions were found in WTC dust, iron microspheres in volumes 1500 times greater than that of normal office dust?

4. Do you deny the molten and vaporized steel described by FEMA, pictures of which anyone can see?

5. Do you deny the molten and fused steel and concrete, one named the Meteorite and housed in a 911 museum? 

6. Do you deny the molten handguns found and stored in a 911 museum?

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13 minutes ago, hot enough said:

Real scientists aren't opaque, scatterbrained.

Still waiting

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10 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Still waiting

Let's go with ones capricorn can understand and participate in, ones which you can answer with ease, possibly even locate a source or two.

1. Do you deny that the US government developed nanothermite in the 1990s?

2. Do you deny that unreacted nanothermite particles were found in WTC dust?

3. Do you deny that the by-products of thermitic reactions were found in WTC dust, iron microspheres in volumes 1500 times greater than that of normal office dust?

4. Do you deny the molten and vaporized steel described by FEMA, pictures of which anyone can see?

5. Do you deny the molten and fused steel and concrete, one named the Meteorite and housed in a 911 museum? 

6. Do you deny the molten handguns found and stored in a 911 museum?

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11 minutes ago, capricorn said:

Testy aren't we?

His argument is collapsing under its own weight. Poor fella.

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20 minutes ago, capricorn said:

Testy aren't we?

How did US owned and controlled nanothermite get into WTC dust, capricorn? Nanothermite, now remember, this is  a new generation of supper explosives, as described by US scientists, and it had been exploded, leaving unreacted particles and the by products of nanothermite reactions. 

This had caused large volumes of molten and vaporized steel. What WTC steel do you suppose that nanothermite had targeted? 

Remember, this is all scientifically verifiable. 

Also remember that those who believe in the US conspiracy theory don't/won't/obviously can't supply evidence to support their position. 

Doesn't this stir anything in your brain? A wee twig, perhaps?

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1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

His argument is collapsing under its own weight. Poor fella.

Kinda like the WTC towers did.

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Oy gevalt. My buddy wants to talk about exploding poo conspiracies again.  O.k.

1-James Millette  proved the alleged red/grey  chips found at the 4  WTC sites  that Neil Harrit claims are proof of nanothermites in fact did not contain nano thermite  particles  and these red/gray chips were simply  carbon steel coated with an epoxy resin that contained primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments-to be clear, they did not contain aluminimum partices of ANY size meaning necessarily without aluminium there could not have been poo (thermites) let alone super duper poo (nano thermites). The red layer  of epoxy resin that contained  primarily iron oxide and kaolin clay pigments was paint and the gray later was carbon steel. In fact Millette simply verified an  earlier re-investigation conducted by Frederick Henry-Couannier, who was given WTC dust samples by  Richard Gage. So the claims of Neil Harris who Hot Enough relies on to claim they found super poo at the WTC is nonsense.

2-  Furthermore The Niels Harrit paper claiming he found nanothermites which Hotty Enuff  claims is the gospel of super poo his new God, was never  peer reviewed by anyone before publication by its publisher Bentham Open Source Journals. Hell even the Bible was peer reviewed. A legitimate scientific study is peer reviewed before it is published so Harrit and the publisher LIED and were caught red handed lying when they then claimed it was. “peer reviewed”.

3- Poo thermites) or even super poo (nanothermites)  do not have the detonation velocity to have blown up the WTC the  way the Poo Poo clu followers claim the big bang occurred and that is because the  highest detonation velocity for an iron oxide/aluminum nano-thermite (the form claimed to have been used in the WTC Twin Towers destruction by Poo cultists including Poo believer Hotty Enuff) has been  documented in technical literature as  895 m/s. That by the way is the calculation Hotty Enuff won't acknowledge and ignores when he's asked about it. Of course he ignores it. It proves beyond any doubt by objective measurement that its much too low to gave created the fragmentation of the steel and concrete of the WTC buildings. In fact its not even close to the detonation velocity of conventional high explosives, such as 8750 m/s for RDX and 6900 m/s for TNT and even that would not be enough to account for the explosive effects observed at the World Trade Center. Dang those calculations

4-The explosions of the WTC buildings turned concrete and other materials to dust, and detached separating and threw steel members and many other materials in multiple directions. That required a high explosive. Hotty and his Poo believers think because thermite is an incendiary and nano-thermite can be formulated to be a fast-reacting incendiary that presto it was used to cause the explosion. Its what people who have no understanding of explosives but high subjective belief in their poo's existence do. They ignore anything that makes no scientific sense. You see Hot Enough is well aware while thermites can be used to catch things on fire  it CAN NOT be formulated to be a high explosive. That is a scientific fact. Then again you can tell some people the earth is round and then they say uh no my head is flat so the world is flat.

5- I am sure when Hot Enough manufactures his poo (thermites) it sound loud. Farts  can be loud yes, but nano-thermites on the other hand can not produce the shock wave of at least 3200 m/s which would have been need to  fragment the concrete let alone 6100 m/s to blast through  the steel. Dag nab it there I go again with those pesky calculations. BOTTOM LINE nano-thermite IN THEORY could be used to  sever and/or weaken steel columns, but NOT BLOW THEM UP. There had to be another primary method to have caused the explosions.

6-Now I don't want to know what Hotty's poo is made up of but I can tell you the main ingredients of thermite are rust and powdered aluminium. Oh guess what.The buildings were steel structures with aluminium cladding and so of course he majority of the buildings when they were turned to dust/powder from the explosions have produced large lquantities of powdered aluminium and powdered iron-rust in the dust. Lol. That does not mean they were there because of super thermite use.

7- The poo cultists Hotty is a congregant of  claim they had a picture as evidence of controlled demolition using a thermite cutter charge. That's funny. If there had been a thermite cutter charge  it would have been very loud and obvious if all those columns were cut at once as they would have to have been according to that theory to bring the buildings down. Lol there were  no farting noises....no  “bangs bangs” . Not only that if super poo nano thermite was used it would have caused multiple  bright flashes of white but there were none.

8-But wait it gets better. To believe in Hotty's super poo you have to believe it blew up 95% of a steel tower and turned it to dust the problem is nano-thermite can nit turn steel and concrete into nano-size particles. That is complete and utter fantasy and is not possible. But hey why let reality and science get in the way of poo worship.

9- Oh it gets even more smelly. It is a fact that the energy that was recorded in the seismic record on the day of 9/11 and the collapse of the WTC buildings did NOT  reflect the mass of building materials involved in the collapse, nor the nearly freefall of the collapsing buildings. The seismic record demonstrates an event on the scale of a quarry blast further making the nanothermite explosion blast claim a joke an utter joke because a 500,000 ton pile of steel and concrete falling  to the ground top down at near free fall speeds sure as hell would have left a significant seismic signature of at least 4 on the Richter scale.  The seismic signature that day was a mere 2.1 and building 7 was no louder than the background noise.Now ask Hotty to explain that because he refuses-ask how the majority of the towers turned to dust in the air before they even hit the ground if it was a super poo or even poo explosion. Thermite cannot do this. If thermite was used to simply cut columns and the towers fell to the ground then  the seismic signatures would have had to have reflected that. No seismic signature, It gets better, If thermite had been  used to simply cut the columns the rubble pile should have been 1/3 the height of the towers, i.e.,  around 15 stories high of floors stacked on top of each other. In fact  the debris pile from the 110 story towers was merely 1 story high.  That is precisely because 95% of the towers turned to nano-sized dust before hitting the ground which a nano thermite explosion could not do. It is absolutely scientifically impossible nano-thermite turned 95% of the  structures and content to dust.  In fact the air sampling data, taken by the University of California at Davis and the Lawrence Berkeley Labs, after the explosions  revealed very small particles in the aerosol plumes from the WTC debris field and the  buildings were turned into micro-particles, much smaller than red blood cells.

10-Now ask yourself  how could a nanothermite if it existed engage an explosive or mechanical process that could yield particles of that size. It is not scientically possible. You can't get even the most super of poo to do that.

To summarize, Hotty worshops and preaches a story of the big bang theory of super poo. He thinks he and those who agree with him are in the know. They are the anointed ones and the rest of us are engaging in poo blasphemy. He calls the explosions nanothermite ones that occurred as part of a conspiracy. His brain can't fathom even if there was a so called conspiracy why another primary explosive technique could have been used. In his mind, he can't fathom any poo but his poo being used by those so called conspirators.That is hilarious.

There are actually conspiracy theorists no different than the devout Pooist Monk  Hotty Enough who state Hotty and his followers are  dupes and bought into a nanothermite disinformation campaign originated by Steven Jones a government disinformation agent. Lol. Mr. Jones is well known for his disinformation and for being paid to  sabotage Cold Fusion in the late eighties and early nineties.

Oh no! Could it be? What if some other form of energy device was used for the explosion by the sinister cabal and they are using dupes like Poo believer Hotty to keep us off their trail?

Could it be!? Is Hotty a dupe? A disinformation agent? I suspect his reference to me being Henny Youngman was an attempt to accuse Jewish comedians of the bombings.

Hey now....could there be a poo so powerful out there it makes Hotty's poo just ordinary boring poo? Was it used hat day?

I can only tell Dog on the porch it looks like it was camel poo.

"you ask me he needs to wear a diaper and dispose of it promptly-I don't need an explanation for what's in it."

Rue to Henny Youngman, in 1972

 

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